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STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

If you have seen STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI, how would you rate it?

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BisexualMMA said:
Just join me in disliking the movie.
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I legit didn't have a provlem with the third one … well mostly - yes it had flaws but it was less offensive than the second one and tried unlike the first one.

I actually found myself enjoying this movie - quite a bit

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One MMA Fan said:
PS: After a few years KK will lead Marvel and Feige will lead LucasFilm just for a change of scenery. :D
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Bob Gray said:
I dont think hes on the level of Cameron and the like either. Then again, I dont really feel like thats a criticism or that people prop him that high. I dont see a lot of people calling Super 8 a classic, or that Force Awakens had the best space battles. But lots of people would disagree with the claim that hes some sort of hack that cant shoot a scene. Theres a wide gulf between your opinion and the other end of the spectrum (Cameron, Spielberg), and I think thats where the majority of people disagreeing with you would reside.
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I wouldn't say a "hack" means someone totally incompetent, it just means a professional who works to a job in a very straight forward fashion without much ambition. That's why TFA is for me, just a reasonmably competent entertainment division not something that stands up to any kind of repeat viewing or thought.
 
One MMA Fan said:
JJ and RJ run circles around GE their not in the same league.

GE is lucky for other contributions like the ending Vader scene he wasn't even there.
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Eh...Gareth Edwards has talent...he just has a few glaring weaknesses that show in his movies:

1. He doesn't seem to bring out the best from his actors....the acting in Godzilla was horrific outside of Bryan Cranston. Maybe Gareth just isn't an actor's director type. The acting in Rogue One was competent I guess..but the main leads were so devoid of any charm or charisma. They felt like they belong in low level network TV, not a major Hollywood blockbuster.

2. Although he has the right idea about something, he goes way overboard: case in point, the lack of Godzilla in a Godzilla movie. If only he gave Godzilla just a few minutes of more screentime in DAYLIGHT.

He is still relatively young...I'm sure he will improve...but not enough to make a truly great movie on his own.

The sad thing is Rogue One is the ONLY recent SW movie that actually has a grand sense of scale. It actually felt EPIC, which is ironic because we all thought Rogue One, a spin off, was gonna be smaller in scale compared to TFA.
 
Eusung said:
Eh...Gareth Edwards has talent...he just has a few glaring weaknesses that show in his movies:

1. He doesn't seem to bring out the best from his actors....the acting in Godzilla was horrific outside of Bryan Cranston. Maybe Gareth just isn't an actor's director type. The acting in Rogue One was competent I guess..but the main leads were so devoid of any charm or charisma. They felt like they belong in low level network TV, not a major Hollywood blockbuster.

2. Although he has the right idea about something, he goes way overboard: case in point, the lack of Godzilla in a Godzilla movie. If only he gave Godzilla just a few minutes of more screentime in DAYLIGHT.

He is still relatively young...I'm sure he will improve...but not enough to make a truly great movie on his own.

The sad thing is Rogue One is the ONLY recent SW movie that actually has a grand sense of scale. It actually felt EPIC, which is ironic because we all thought Rogue One, a spin off, was gonna be smaller in scale compared to TFA.
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He doesn't do characters / (actors how you put it) right at all.

He doesn't show the good stuff enough be it Godzilla or Vader etc.

Needs a damn extra light in many of his shots.

Last a bit underwhelming in the big end culmination moments.

Rumors are he was removed or sidelined better said he still cooperated with the studio team but stopped being the actual lead / director / captain of the movie half way in.

For example he wasn't involved with that big final scene.

Proof that this rumors were true would be in the fact that if he ever gets a job directing any Disney movie being SW or MCU or their other properties. If they never call you again for any project it means you screwed up. Bonus all this studios heads and big time producers talk so they 'share' info among them let's see how easily he lands another big gig again.
 
Eusung said:
Eh...Gareth Edwards has talent...he just has a few glaring weaknesses that show in his movies:

1. He doesn't seem to bring out the best from his actors....the acting in Godzilla was horrific outside of Bryan Cranston. Maybe Gareth just isn't an actor's director type. The acting in Rogue One was competent I guess..but the main leads were so devoid of any charm or charisma. They felt like they belong in low level network TV, not a major Hollywood blockbuster.

2. Although he has the right idea about something, he goes way overboard: case in point, the lack of Godzilla in a Godzilla movie. If only he gave Godzilla just a few minutes of more screentime in DAYLIGHT.

He is still relatively young...I'm sure he will improve...but not enough to make a truly great movie on his own.

The sad thing is Rogue One is the ONLY recent SW movie that actually has a grand sense of scale. It actually felt EPIC, which is ironic because we all thought Rogue One, a spin off, was gonna be smaller in scale compared to TFA.
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The nature of Godzilla really being about giant monsters fighting did I think take away somewhat from the potential in the story around Cranston but I think actually the opposite in terms of acting. The problem for a lot of people was he went too subtle with Taylor Johnson, this was acting more out of an arthouse thriller but in a big blockbuster watched by audiences that weren't used to it.

I actually felt besides Cryston by far the best thing about Godzilla was the way it handled the monsters, they really did feel giant and threatening/mysterious rather than just your typical CGI things smashing stuff ala the terrible 90's US remake.
 
One MMA Fan said:
He doesn't do characters / (actors how you put it) right at all.

He doesn't show the good stuff enough be it Godzilla or Vader etc.

Needs a damn extra light in many of his shots.

Last a bit underwhelming in the big end culmination moments.

Rumors are he was removed or sidelined better said he still cooperated with the studio team but stopped being the actual lead / director / captain of the movie half way in.

For example he wasn't involved with that big final scene.

Proof that this rumors were true would be in the fact that if he ever gets a job directing any Disney movie being SW or MCU or their other properties. If they never call you again for any project it means you screwed up. Bonus all this studios heads and big time producers talk so they 'share' info among them let's see how easily he lands another big gig again.
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If your standard for doing characters "right" is TFA and TLS then I guess he doesn't but I think Rogue One definitely feels far closer to something like ESB, the characters feel like rounded adults and any humour is largely in the form of wit. Abrams basically represents a shift towards a simpler more cartoonish style with goofball humour and sitcom zingers, honestly I felt sorry for John Boyega in these films as he does have ability but got stuck playing Rob Schneider's role in Judge Dredd. Oscar Isaac was almost totally wasted as well being given a paper thin character.

What I believe actually happened in Rogue One is that the idea was always to shoot a massive amount of footage, go into the initial editing phase and work out what focus was most effective then shoot pickups to fill in any gaps. Its never come out exactly what happened but Tony Gilroy was brought in around that point to do some writing and shooting, he'd actually worked in that kind of position on Godzilla as well with Edwards so I'm guessing was brought back to do the same thing. Just how much he was doing hasn't ever been full revealed, the only real details I'v heard were about sorting out the climax for the film sliming it down a bit, the original idea was to steal the plans from an underground area separate to the large building and have to fight across the beach to upload them, hence pictures of the leads in the beach battle coming out previously.

I do think you actually see with Rogue One though is feels like a film that's had its script/story fine tuned where as TFA and TLJ feel more like first drafts to me, like Abrams Trek films and his pals Ocri and Lindelof coke head writing in stuff like Prometheus that constantly get sidetracked and have characters behaving in highly illogical fashions.

Ultimately the Edwards/Gilroy partnership actually felt like it had respect for Starwars, Abrams I think just viewed it the same as Trek, something to throw into his action/humour/nostalgia formula and Johnson seemed to think it was all rather beneath him.
 
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moreorless87 said:
If your standard for doing characters "right" is TFA and TLS then I guess he doesn't but I think Rogue One definitely feels far closer to something like ESB, the characters feel like rounded adults and any humour is largely in the form of wit. Abrams basically represents a shift towards a simpler more cartoonish style with goofball humour and sitcom zingers, honestly I felt sorry for John Boyega in these films as he does have ability but got stuck playing Rob Schneider's role in Judge Dredd. Oscar Isaac was almost totally wasted as well being given a paper thin character.

What I believe actually happened in Rogue One is that the idea was always to shoot a massive amount of footage, go into the initial editing phase and work out what focus was most effective then shoot pickups to fill in any gaps. Its never come out exactly what happened but Tony Gilroy was brought in around that point to do some writing and shooting, he'd actually worked in that kind of position on Godzilla as well with Edwards so I'm guessing was brought back to do the same thing. Just how much he was doing hasn't ever been full revealed, the only real details I'v heard were about sorting out the climax for the film sliming it down a bit, the original idea was to steal the plans from an underground area separate to the large building and have to fight across the beach to upload them, hence pictures of the leads in the beach battle coming out previously.

I do think you actually see with Rogue One though is feels like a film that's had its script/story fine tuned where as TFA and TLJ feel more like first drafts to me, like Abrams Trek films and his pals Ocri and Lindelof coke head writing in stuff like Prometheus that constantly get sidetracked and have characters behaving in highly illogical fashions.

Ultimately the Edwards/Gilroy partnership actually felt like it had respect for Starwars, Abrams I think just viewed it the same as Trek, something to throw into his action/humour/nostalgia formula and Johnson seemed to think it was all rather beneath him.
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I'm really not seeing this great characters and performances from the Rogue One crew.

They were paper thin and kinda bland it was more about the ride and visuals, only memorable part in term of performances were the asian actors and the droid.

It looked like it should so that's why I think so many liked it, but in terms of other stuff is low in my book this is why I prefer Ep. 7 and 8 to it.

Curious to see what JJ's final piece of the puzzle will look now after he can look at the other 4 movies back to back, would he keep it the same or a change a little bit.
 
One MMA Fan said:
I'm really not seeing this great characters and performances from the Rogue One crew.

They were paper thin and kinda bland it was more about the ride and visuals, only memorable part in term of performances were the asian actors and the droid.

It looked like it should so that's why I think so many liked it, but in terms of other stuff is low in my book this is why I prefer Ep. 7 and 8 to it.

Curious to see what JJ's final piece of the puzzle will look now after he can look at the other 4 movies back to back, would he keep it the same or a change a little bit.
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You know you've really lost all perspective when you're taking shots at Rogue One in some misguided effort to defend TLJ. It's a common phenomenon, so don't feel too bad.
 
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