STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

If you have seen STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI, how would you rate it?

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Loiosh said:
You telling me to up my standards is like Paul Reubens telling Mike Tyson how to box, pezzonovante.

Lucas was always all about the merchandise. He was all about it before the first Star Wars screened, which is why he negotiated the best deal in Hollywood history. One of the reasons the original trilogy had so many throw away characters with no dialogue was that he could sell more toys.
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Fortunately, the result when Lucas creates such characters with no lines is fantastic world building with no shitty dialogue.
 
Loiosh said:
You telling me to up my standards is like Paul Reubens telling Mike Tyson how to box, pezzonovante.

Lucas was always all about the merchandise. He was all about it before the first Star Wars screened, which is why he negotiated the best deal in Hollywood history. One of the reasons the original trilogy had so many throw away characters with no dialogue was that he could sell more toys.
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Your biggest offenser from the first three was ewoks. And i already explained them.


And they were intended to be wookies but budget said no.

Up your game mr “i like 20 minutes of sparks on the screen!”
 
Looks like we got ourselves a classic Old Fashioned Virgin Standoff, boys. YEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAA.
 
Loiosh said:
I disagree, obviously.

The battle in Phantom Menace was so good, if you made a list of the top ten saber battles, it would be the top eight on the list. Number nine would be Empire, and ten would be Revenge of the Sith. Return would get an honorable mention. I should probably slide Yoda in there somewhere but I know a lot of people hated Tasmanian Devil Yoda (I thought it was awesome).

If all you're considering is the emotional resonance, the list changes. Empire is number one, Phantom Menace is number two, Return is three, and the rest don't matter. The choreography in all the original trilogy fights is pretty lame, but as a result there is far more emphasis on story. This is coming from someone who saw all the original movies as a child in their original run. I went home after seeing Star Wars at nine years old having watched it twice and played Jedi with sticks with my little brother.

But I'm also someone who grew up playing all the games. Reading all the novels (including the one before Empire where Luke kills Vader and fucks Leia). I will watch literally anything with Jedi in it, because they're pretty fucking cool.

I loved the choreography in the prequels. It was awesome seeing Jedi do things they could only suggest in the first movies but didn't have the film tech to implement (although they tried).

You can't compare Luke vs Vader to anything else. Those two are the entire core of the Star Wars universe, and the only story in that universe that actually matters. When they faced, the stories resolved, because those two are the only ones who really matter. That carries a lot of weight. However, the actual duels weren't that great, for people that actually care about Jedi duels.
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Interesting list.

Off the top of my head I go:

1. Luke vs. Vader I (Empire)
2. Luke vs. Vader II (ROTJ)
3. Luke vs. Vader 0 (Empire, Dagobah simulation)
4. Maul vs. Obi & Taken (Phantom Menace)
5. Obi vs. Vader II (A New Hope)
6. Obi vs. Vader I (End Of The Lucas)
 
Tiny said:
the merch wasn't the driver of his movies. Especially new hope. He was smart to think their was a market there but his story didn't have toy placement fat in it's scenes to the point that it pulled you out of the movie.
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You've backtracked ridiculously hard on this point and need to stop. This whole thing came about because you were saying that not only was there no toy manufacturing for movies, but Lucas wasn't eyeing the toy line and that's just completely wrong. It's not only completely wrong, there is literally a documentary on Netflix you can watch right this moment that goes into great detail how objectively incorrect your assertion is.

Now you've gone to arguing how Lucas didn't sacrifice his art for the toy line which is an entirely different point.

Just let this one go.
 
Bob Gray said:
You've backtracked ridiculously hard on this point and need to stop. This whole thing came about because you were saying that not only was there no toy manufacturing for movies, but Lucas wasn't eyeing the toy line and that's just completely wrong. It's not only completely wrong, there is literally a documentary on Netflix you can watch right this moment that goes into great detail how objectively incorrect your assertion is.

Now you've gone to arguing how Lucas didn't sacrifice his art for the toy line which is an entirely different point.

Just let this one go.
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I absolutley stand by my original contention that gis goal was to tell a specific story. And as such he didnt make shit specifically for toy placment. Back then merchadice for these movies was am unknown. Thats why both kenner wasnt ready for the demand by christmas and why lucas was able to grab a percentage of that merch.

His first three were made for males 15-25.

Not kids.

Nobody is back tracking anything.
 
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Tiny said:
I absolutley stand by my original contention that gis goal was to tell a specific story. And as such he didnt make shit specifically for toy placment. Back then merchadice for these movies was am unknown. Thats why both kenner wasnt ready for the demand by christmas and why lucas was able to grab a percentage of that merch.

His first three were made for males 15-25.

Bot kids.

Nobody is back tracking anything.
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Lucas was concerned first and foremost with telling a good story. That's why he cut The Shockmaster from A New Hope, despite indications that there would be strong demand for the figurine.

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FWIW, the Porgs were created because Skellig island was covered in Puffins. It was cheaper and easier to CGI something over them rather than CGI them out completely. From there it was easy to put them in a few more scenes and make some merch.
 
Tiny said:
I absolutley stand by my original contention that gis goal was to tell a specific story. And as such he didnt make shit specifically for toy placment. Back then merchadice for these movies was am unknown. Thats why both kenner wasnt ready for the demand by christmas and why lucas was able to grab a percentage of that merch.

His first three were made for males 15-25.

Bot kids.

Nobody is back tracking anything.
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And "not making shit for product placement" is very different than "there wasn't any such thing as merchandising or toy manufacturing for movies", which is what people are arguing with you about, because it's a spectacularly incorrect statement. Nobody is saying Star Wars was only made for product placement, because that's a new argument you've created to ignore your original point that everyone is correctly informing you that you're incorrect about.

Like I said. Just let this go.
 
Chewie had to eat something on that island. He's not a walrus milk drinking pansy.
 
BisexualMMA said:
Lucas was concerned first and foremost with telling a good story. That's why he cut The Shockmaster from A New Hope, despite indications that there would be strong demand for the figurine.

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True story but his wife was the real magician in editing. I'll repost because it's such a great watch!

 
Just picked up the new Star Wars Saga Blu-Ray boxed set.

Over 40 hours of special features! Woo!

Shit was $89.99 though. Goddamn.
 
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Bob Gray said:
And "not making shit for product placement" is very different than "there wasn't any such thing as merchandising or toy manufacturing for movies", which is what people are arguing with you about, because it's a spectacularly incorrect statement. Nobody is saying Star Wars was only made for product placement, because that's a new argument you've created to ignore your original point that everyone is correctly informing you that you're incorrect about.

Like I said. Just let this go.
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Idon't fucking care about that small little shit point. How about you go focus on some drywall?
 
Secret Agent said:
If anything needs structural support it's some of these points you've been trying to sneak past inspection.
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if your big "gotcha" was to say that merchadizing existed before star wars, i'd say that's some pretty weak shit. not all that surprising coming from anyone who thought the last jedi was a good movie.
 
sickc0d3r said:
Whenever the term SJW is used to make a point, I know a cogent and thought provoking conversation will follow. Please go on....
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can you explain why else they bothered to make chewie a vegan?
 
DrBdan said:
FWIW, the Porgs were created because Skellig island was covered in Puffins. It was cheaper and easier to CGI something over them rather than CGI them out completely. From there it was easy to put them in a few more scenes and make some merch.
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Really? Some (or most, or all) of the porgs were real life puffins that were cgi’d Over? That’s hilarious.

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