STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Bonos]

Like I love how these new movies are being celebrated for doing their own thing and not following all the same old tired schtick of the original trilogy...We got a female lead, a diverse set of heros very specifically no white males. BUT...the bad guys need to stay white!

Was anyone else bothered that The First Order had female officers? It works as a one-off like Phasma (even if her character sucked), but that stood out to me, they should all be white male with a british accent. It's that bs EU crap seeping in! and once again bless Rian for not connecting Snoke with EU nosense or even The Emperor, sure they should have expanded a little on his character but just that he wasn't linked to anyone was a positive.

 

[iThrillhouse]

Which part? I forgot most of TFA.

Speaking of which, TLJ will be the only SW disney entry that I re-watch in the theater. It reminds me of when I bought advanced IMAX tickets for TFA, but could only get them on the second day, so I caved and also went on opening night...I never bothered to go back the next day to see it in IMAX lol

The entire part where Han Solo is being approached by bounty hunters over debts, and then they all comically try to escape a giant octopus monster that breaks loose. that entire thing just felt sooooooo Star Trek, straight down to the cringey ass humor and names...

One of my biggest gripes with JJ Abrams is the sci-fi Names for places people and things are fucking horrible.

Was anyone else bothered that The First Order had female officers? It works as a one-off like Phasma (even if her character sucked), but that stood out to me, they should all be white male with a british accent. It's that bs EU crap seeping in! and once again bless Rian for not connecting Snoke with EU nosense or even The Emperor, sure they should have expanded a little on his character but just that he wasn't linked to anyone was a positive.

gotta hit all the demographics by casting ethnicities and women in noticeable roles so Disney can appeal to the SJW's

Redlettermedia has a great point about calling out Disney for their bullshit "we're so PC" act when they basically hire minorities for bit parts as characters who die, or contribute nothing to the story/plot, and still hire white male directors only.

 

[Bonos]

Too many instances in this film based on the modern vernacular. Putting people "on hold" just seems awkward in Star Wars. Yoda saying the ancient Jedi texts aren't "page turners" was terrible. The jokes would have been fine in Raiders of the Lost Ark, but not in fantasy science fiction with no connection to Earth.

I thought the humor worked well overall, but I agree completely.

and how many times did they say 'hope', very annoying.

 

[ufcfan4]

I thought the humor worked well overall, but I agree completely.

and how many times did they say 'hope', very annoying.

The hope thing bothered me too. Particularly because it felt redundant after Rogue One where Felicity and Luna and all them kept talking about hope. It worked there, but here it's such a reframing of the Empire vs. the Rebels from the OT that it feels like we are just repeating things. Hope didn't successfully eradicate the Empire the first time but now it's going to?

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Galen Erso didn't plant a ticking time bomb in Snoke's ship. If you hit the Death Star in the right spot it will explode. Your argument is like saying the super star destroyer falling on the death star didn't destroy it so Luke's torpedoes or Wedge and Lando's torpedoes shouldn't be able to destroy it. But they went to the sweet spot. And hyperspace jumping to the sweet spot will also destroy it.

Flying a minuscule ship into something the size of a moon won’t do anything.


Sorry but you’re wrong here and the last Jedi proved that to be the case. Since one cruiser didn’t destroy a much smaller ship

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Why not?

Small ship vs Big ship

I bet the people on that Star Destroyer thought the same thing. Its ok bros its only 1 tiny ship

It’s the same as a tug boat dude. What are you talking about here.

All it did was move a ship. It pierce into its center

You’re simply wrong here

 

[Bonos]

The hope thing bothered me too. Particularly because it felt redundant after Rogue One where Felicity and Luna and all them kept talking about hope. It worked there, but here it's such a reframing of the Empire vs. the Rebels from the OT that it feels like we are just repeating things. Hope didn't successfully eradicate the Empire the first time but now it's going to?

I thought it was cheap in Rogue One too. They must have said it at least five times in TLJ or it seemed that way.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

It’s the same as a tug boat dude. What are you talking about here.

All it did was move a ship. It pierce into its center

You’re simply wrong here

I dunno man

Tugboats pull they dont push

 

[Magooglie]

Flying a minuscule ship into something the size of a moon won’t do anything.


Sorry but you’re wrong here and the last Jedi proved that to be the case. Since one cruiser didn’t destroy a much smaller ship

You're not flying into the surface. You're hyperspace jumping so you strike the inside. I'm not sure why you're holding onto the argument that a hyperspace jump attack only hits the outside of a structure. It cracked through a whole bunch of First Order ships. Last Jedi supports me on this.

 

[ufcfan4]

I know you guys thought a lot of the humor fell flat, but I liked the line, after Luke says he can't teach Rey:

"Why? I've seen your daily routine, you're not busy."

Pretty true statement.

 

[Bonos]

gotta hit all the demographics by casting ethnicities and women in noticeable roles so Disney can appeal to the SJW's

It's no wonder The First Order is so incompetent. It works for the Rebels but it does come across as try hard.

I'm not crazy about female pilots in general, even though they had two in the deleted scenes of ROTJ, including a hilarious senior citizen granny. This is the sort of continuity and canon i'd like SW to get right even if it doesn't gel with modern values.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

You're not flying into the surface. You're hyperspace jumping so you strike the inside. I'm not sure why you're holding onto the argument that a hyperspace jump attack only hits the outside of a structure. It cracked through a whole bunch of First Order ships. Last Jedi supports me on this.

That’s not how hyperspace works though

 

[Goonerview]

"See ya round kiddo"

Ugh.

 

[Magooglie]

That’s not how hyperspace works though

Last Jedi made all new rules.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Last Jedi made all new rules.

Yeah some degree it did but hyperspace isn’t teleportation.

You can’t go into the center of the Death Star without hitting the hull and the shields first.

So I think you could do outside damage but not enough to damage it.

Although physics tells different tale but adding hyperspace into the mix is not something our science can do since it doesn’t exist

 

[Magooglie]

Yeah some degree it did but hyperspace isn’t teleportation.

You can’t go into the center of the Death Star without hitting the hull and the shields first.

So I think you could do outside damage but not enough to damage it.

Although physics tells different tale but adding hyperspace into the mix is not something our science can do since it doesn’t exist

We don't know what's going on with hyperspace. Are they traveling really fast, bending space, or pulling a Nightcrawler from X-Men? We don't even know how long the Last Jedi hyperspace attack would have reached. We just know it hit every ship behind Snoke's ship. If it can travel the distance a torpedo makes in 11 seconds then an outside hyperspace attack to the death star would destroy it.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

We don't know what's going on with hyperspace. Are they traveling really fast, bending space, or pulling a Nightcrawler from X-Men? We don't even know how long the Last Jedi hyperspace attack would have reached. We just know it hit every ship behind Snoke's ship. If it can travel the distance a torpedo makes in 11 seconds then an outside hyperspace attack to the death star would destroy it.

I don't think it hit every ship either. debris from Snokes ship flew off and destroyed some of the other first order ships.


But how could it destroy the Death Star when it didn't even destroy Snokes ship. His ship was about 70% still intact and it pales in size to the Death Star


The width of Snokes ship would be like 3 Executor class Super star destroyers lined up from nose to the back of the next super star destroyer. 3 in a row.

That super star destroyer is also the size of Manhattan in real world terms so the width of Snokes ship is like 3 manhattans. Now that's a huge ass ship but its small compared to an object the size of a moon

Like I said it's not teleportation so you can't just reappear inside of a large object.

 

[Magooglie]

I don't think it hit every ship either. debris from Snokes ship flew off and destroyed some of the other first order ships.


But how could it destroy the Death Star when it didn't even destroy Snokes ship. His ship was about 70% still intact and it pales in size to the Death Star


The width of Snokes ship would be like 3 Executor class Super star destroyers lined up from nose to the back of the next super star destroyer. 3 in a row.

That super star destroyer is also the size of Manhattan in real world terms so the width of Snokes ship is like 3 manhattans. Now that's a huge ass ship but its small compared to an object the size of a moon

Like I said it's not teleportation so you can't just reappear inside of a large object.

You think it's not teleportation, but we don't know that. It might be like Nightcrawler's teleportation. He goes to another dimension and then reappears in our dimension again. They clearly go somewhere in hyperspace.

Your Snoke ship analogy is off. As I said before the death star gets destroyed when its reactor gets hit. You keep trying to argue that if you fired torpedoes at Snoke's ship it wouldn't destroy Snoke's ship so they couldn't destroy the Death Star. But we all know Luke fired Proton Torpedoes at the Death Star and he destroyed the Death Star. You could presumably start the hyperspace attack at the Death Star's chute opening where Luke fired his torpedoes and have a clear path to the reactor like the proton torpedoes had.

 

[Goonerview]

The whole idea of "force projection" was pretty dumb and now opens up a can of worms for future "gotcha" moments in future movies.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

You think it's not teleportation, but we don't know that. It might be like Nightcrawler's teleportation. He goes to another dimension and then reappears in our dimension again. They clearly go somewhere in hyperspace.

Your Snoke ship analogy is off. As I said before the death star gets destroyed when its reactor gets hit. You keep trying to argue that if you fired torpedoes at Snoke's ship it wouldn't destroy Snoke's ship so they couldn't destroy the Death Star. But we all know Luke fired Proton Torpedoes at the Death Star and he destroyed the Death Star. You could presumably start the hyperspace attack at the Death Star's chute opening where Luke fired his torpedoes and have a clear path to the reactor like the proton torpedoes had.

it isn't teleportation though, its hyperspace. You're not disappearing and reappearing almost instantly. You're traveling thru hyperspace. It's depicted in every movie.

Also I don't know about your example. I think the Death Star is large enough there there will be damage but superficial at best.


You're not teleporting into the center, you're crashing on the outside of it.