STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Loiosh]

Loved that they had so much faith in their process that they had to post a warning.

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

Loved that they had so much faith in their process that they had to post a warning.

I have seen this posted in many theaters

No doubt they are talking about the space walk scene

 

[Boomslang]

Whatever, man. I don't have a cause here, I don't care. I'm just calling it the way I see it. How many times have we heard people toss around "Mary Sue" when Luke was exactly as broken a character in TOS? If you don't see the attitude I'm talking about, fine. People have flat out said in this thread they aren't invested when it's a heroine as opposed to a hero.

Both Ren and Rey are crazy powerful, that's the deal. Ren took out Luke, and then wiped out most of the other young Jedi. For whatever reason, they both have a metric ton of raw power, so much power it terrifies Luke Freaking Skywalker. Rey isn't any more powerful than Ren. Laura Dern was OK, kind of a dumb character, and the hair was silly, but why call her a granny? If she was a man would you call her grandpa? Also, did you think Rose was making him do the right thing? She saved him because she loved him. I was pissed because it was a pretty fucking stupid thing to do.

Also also, why is Leia's strength with the Force sudden to you? We know she's a Skywalker. She's had decades to learn. In the expanded universe, she's pretty powerful. In the movies, Luke has said she's strong with the Force. It was a cool idea, although the execution was terrible, she looked like the wicked with of the west.

At the end of the day, it wasn't a great movie. While I really enjoyed TFA, I felt nothing at any point during TLJ, except when Luke marched out alone, and that scene ended up a lot less cool than we deserved.

I just don't see an agenda here. I see more women getting prominent roles, and I see a lot of guys bitching about it. I've spent most of this year absorbing a great deal of anti-feminist literature and while I agree the situation is getting out of control regarding equality of outcome as opposed to equality of opportunity, I don't see a problem with what's happening in film. I don't see an agenda here. Films are driven by profits, and if something isn't working it will change.

I spoken to women who are Star War fans even they complained about Rey and her unexplained overpoweredness.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Loved that they had so much faith in their process that they had to post a warning.

Please note that The Last Jedi contains a sequence where R2D2 plays a hologram of Leia from the first film for Luke. Luke replies, "that's a cheap trick." Please note that Rian Johnson is telling you that The Force Awakens was a cheap trick and that you're a dumb shithead if you enjoy seeing the return of any old characters or feel any sort of nostalgia. This is intentionally done by the director for a creative effect.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Honestly not sure what can be salvaged at this point. They've written themselves into a big corner here banking that we will all jump on the backs of Mary Sue after insulting our childhood heros. And that's not even mentioning that the rest of the movie was just absolute garbage.

This was probably the worst passing of the torch I've ever seen. Not only are your new hero's kind of bland and boring, but you insult the viewer's old heros in a shitty attempt to build up your new heros.

Not. Smart.

I don't get why they put so little time and effort into building their new characters. I think this also comes down to the problem of having different directors for 1 trilogy, they don't have 1 solid plan for the story and characters.
In 30 years, is anyone going to remember or care about Finn, Rose, Poe, Rey, or Kylo? Will Holdo or Hux be anything more than memes? Will people remember what a Porg or Salt/Ice fox is like we remember Ewoks?
You have a franchise with probably the most loyal fans ever, and you have given the new fans nothing new to latch on to.
2 movies in, what great lines or characters have these movies given us?

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

I don't get why they put so little time and effort into building their new characters. I think this also comes down to the problem of having different directors for 1 trilogy, they don't have 1 solid plan for the story and characters.
In 30 years, is anyone going to remember or care about Finn, Rose, Poe, Rey, or Kylo? Will Holdo or Hux be anything more than memes? Will people remember what a Porg or Salt/Ice fox is like we remember Ewoks?
You have a franchise with probably the most loyal fans ever, and you have given the new fans nothing new to latch on to.
2 movies in, what great lines or characters have these movies given us?

Well Kylo I think will be talked about long after

Rey not so much

 

[iThrillhouse]

Great review, would read again. You echoed a lot of my issues with the film.

In regards to Ren, here's the thing with your Luke and Ren comparison, Luke is the doe eyed good guy, and Ren is supposed to be the movie's villain. I am a lot more willing to take Luke whining because he is a young, good kid that just wanted to jump into the fray and help his friends. He's not trying to be a bad ass.
Ren is a poser. He is walking around in a faux Vader mask, and trying to punk everyone, while also crying like a little bitch and getting his ass kicked by a girl with zero training.
The other problem with Ren's character is a problem with the movie in general--terrible fucking villains. Captain Phasma is a Bond villain with 3 lines of dialogue. General Hux is a retarded Looney Tunes villain. Snoke is killed before we get to know a single thing about him....and now, all we have is whiny Ren. Whiny Ren would be a LOT more easy to take if he wasn't THE bad guy. If Snoke had had a larger role, and we saw him training Ren, and gave us something to actually fear, id be less critical of Ren.
Luke had Han, Yoda, Obi, Leia, R2D2, C3PO, etc..he was part of a competent ensemble.

I agree with all you said on the casino planet.
For me, it wasn't just a waste of time, it was one of the most nonsensical things in the movie.(or really, ANY movie)
~The plan was to look for a hacker on a planet, in a large casino...and we're going to find him by looking for a marking on his shirt? What if he didn't wear that shirt that day? Had a jacket on? Didn't gamble that evening? Why write the plot in that way when there was no payoff?
~Rose and Finn get arrested for a PARKING violation.
~They are put in a cell with a guy who just happens to be able to hack into the most advanced/security heavy ship in the galaxy..even though the movie just told us only 1 other guy could do it.
~This guy had the ability to break out of jail at anytime...but for some reason he's just sleeping in his cell..
~Rose and Finn were ready to escape the planet WITHOUT the guy they came looking for..and instead, he ends up saving them...even though he doesn't need them.
~ He doesn't care about doing good. He just stole a great ship. Breaking into Snokes ship had to of had a very low chance of mission success for him to risk doing it with no guarantees. So why did he ever agree to it? And why try to show him as having some good in him (when he returns Roses necklace ) only to havd him betray them in the end.
Just so much stupid.

I think if I really sat down and thought of the logical fallacies of all the different plot lines in this movie, this would be phantom menace levels of terrible plot logic.

like i really stand by my statement that, all this movie did was make BOTH the Empire AND the Rebels look like gigantic retards....to the point where I completely hoped and wanted Rey and Kylo to join forces to end the war and start a new order of peace and prosperity....but nah....good vs evil, empire vs rebels....all that same shit....


this movie had the balls to GO in that direction, but then like a big middle finger came up and they were like "fuck you were getting Revenge of the Jedi next!"

wasted potential. same with Rogue One, some great ideas throughout with SOME great visuals but otherwise, empty, hollow, and creatively bankrupt


when the fucking Alien had a stereotypical Hick American accent I thought I was being punkd, I couldn't believe they gave that alien an english speaking voice, and THAT was the accent they signed off on.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Well Kylo I think will be talked about long after

Rey not so much

Kylo is possible, but the problem is we can't just talk about 1 character in a SW movie. We can't have a discussion about the dark side without the light.
There is nothing to talk about with Rey, or the light side..and that makes it easy to forget these movies and any of the decent characters and stuff they did do

 

[iThrillhouse]

JJ Hack

The guy who ruined Star Trek

the guy who made a Star Wars film with the Star Trek characters

and the guy who put a Star Trek sequence into a Star Wars film

Abrams loves his world-building, lore-building, mystery creation

but it legit seems like absolutely nobody had a clue what he was going for with the first movie....this movie renders the this entire trilogy kind of a huge waste of time...the first 2 movies feel like the PREQUEL to an original trilogy at this point.... like they're original enough to setup the origins of characters....but not enough to merit a plot worthy of its own story.

 

[Loiosh]

I have seen this posted in many theaters

No doubt they are talking about the space walk scene

They're talking about the light speed cruiser slamming into the ship, I think.

 

[xcvbn]

6/10

The story is solid. The acting is okay. I'm just not sure which is shittier: the dialogue or the directing.

Why in the fuck was Leia flying?

I didn't mind the Finn and Rose storyline- apart from nearly every line of dialogue and the actors.

I didn't mind Snoke getting destroyed as much as I expected.

I did mind the way they completely fucked Luke Skywalker out of the movie.

Rey's parents being nobodies is perfectly fine with me.

There's still a chance the 9th film can redeem the series and it won't be easy, but fortunately Kylo Ren has become a decent villain and Rey is nailing her role.

 

[BisexualMMA]

the guy who made a Star Wars film with the Star Trek characters

and the guy who put a Star Trek sequence into a Star Wars film

Abrams loves his world-building, lore-building, mystery creation

but it legit seems like absolutely nobody had a clue what he was going for with the first movie....this movie renders the this entire trilogy kind of a huge waste of time...the first 2 movies feel like the PREQUEL to an original trilogy at this point.... like they're original enough to setup the origins of characters....but not enough to merit a plot worthy of its own story.

I think Rian Johnson knew exactly what JJ Abrams was going for and deliberately made it impossible.

 

[Magooglie]

One thing I found was Kylo Ren was awesome for much of the movie- from the smashing up the helmet, through the force bridge conversations with Rey, to the throne room scene- but, I feel after that, they just kind of squandered away that momentum. As soon as Rey told him to go take a piss, he devolved from really interesting character to power-hungry, whiny Snoke substitute. He's the Supreme Leader now? Big deal. Either he turns which is redundant of Vader or he gets murked by Rey which would be more of the same from TFA.

I think his attractiveness as a character are the potential directions he can go since he's the Emperor now. They'll probably just make him Pol Pot or something else expected but it would be fun if they didn't.

 

[iThrillhouse]

I think Rian Johnson knew exactly what JJ Abrams was going for and deliberately made it impossible.

I mean I can see WHY Rian would do that...

he saw that everything JJ set up was basically leading to an Empire Strikes Back carbon copy, with the same story beats, Reys parentage being important, Snokes origins being important etc. etc.

So I guess I can see why he would just flip everything on its head to give us a totally different second and setup for a third film....

but then he pulls back on every single thing he flips on its head, rips off a ton of the Empire Strikes Back story beats, AND sets up for essentially what will have to be a Return of the Jedi-like third film to conclude everything and provide resolution... soooo I have no clue what happened here

 

[Loiosh]

Why in the fuck was Leia flying?

I kind of liked the idea but the execution was terrible, she looked ridiculous.

I did mind the way they completely fucked Luke Skywalker out of the movie.

Made me sad. He was the only character I cared about in this film and I wanted so much more of him. Right to the end he was the dumb kid getting schooled by Yoda.

 

[BisexualMMA]

I mean I can see WHY Rian would do that...

he saw that everything JJ set up was basically leading to an Empire Strikes Back carbon copy, with the same story beats, Reys parentage being important, Snokes origins being important etc. etc.

So I guess I can see why he would just flip everything on its head to give us a totally different second and setup for a third film....

but then he pulls back on every single thing he flips on its head, rips off a ton of the Empire Strikes Back story beats, AND sets up for essentially what will have to be a Return of the Jedi-like third film to conclude everything and provide resolution... soooo I have no clue what happened here

I think he saw artistic and intellectual merit in tearing down the existing world while feeling no creative responsibility to build a new one.

 

[Loiosh]

but then he pulls back on every single thing he flips on its head, rips off a ton of the Empire Strikes Back story beats, AND sets up for essentially what will have to be a Return of the Jedi-like third film to conclude everything and provide resolution... soooo I have no clue what happened here

 

[iThrillhouse]

I think he saw artistic and intellectual merit in tearing down the existing world while feeling no creative responsibility to build a new one.

crazy that a guy who spent so much time crafting a very logical time travel movie that actually worked and made sense thought the plot to his movie was coherent

 

[BisexualMMA]

crazy that a guy who spent so much time crafting a very logical time travel movie that actually worked and made sense thought the plot to his movie was coherent

I think a coherent plot was a secondary goal to the other things Rian Johnson was trying to achieve. Once his criticism of the audience itself (and jokes at their expense) were solidly in place, and he then worked in the female force message as mandated and a few mandated toy product placement scenes (BB8 controlling the AT-AT, Porgs, Phasma with a broken helmet) then he set about lining up the scenes and patching it all together.

I'm not surprised that the plot mechanics were "good enough" for him and they just started filming. He achieved everything else he wanted to do completely.

 

[iThrillhouse]

I think a coherent plot was a secondary goal to the other things Rian Johnson was trying to achieve. Once his criticism of the audience itself (and jokes at their expense) were solidly in place, and he then worked in the female force message as mandated and a few mandated toy product placement scenes (BB8 controlling the AT-AT, Porgs, Phasma with a broken helmet) then he set about lining up the scenes and patching it all together.

I'm not surprised that the plot mechanics were "good enough" for him and they just started filming. He achieved everything else he wanted to do completely.

LOL I kept thinking the same shit during the movie too.. like "Did Rian Johnson negotiate for a cut of the merchandise sales?"

the jedi temple caretakers, porgs, the entire Not-Hoth sequence, it all just felt like setup for toys/merchandise that he could reap the benefits of,

this movie was a movie made for trailers, not for a coherent plot. Like seriously

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to what the Rebel Alliance plan was with the salt spewing old ass B-wing fighters? was it literally a suicide mission? they didnt have weapons on board? so why is Rose shocked that Finn is going to sacrifice himself if literally the only purpose of their mission appears to be to kill themselves trying to blow up the battering ram?

oh right...its for the cool trailer visuals