STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

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Saw this last week and while I was entertained watching it, I was overall disappointed and the more days that passed the more disappointed I became. It felt like the movie was giving me the middle finger the entire time by setting up potentially interesting plot lines and then completely destroying them so they can't even be further explored in the next movie.

All of the 'plot twists' were directed at audience expectations instead of following a coherent story line and it bugged me quite a bit. In fact, from the 'twists' to the 'humor', the movie was a just a little too self aware that an audience was watching it for my tastes.

They did Luke wrong and then destroyed any chance to fix it in the next movie, they did Snoke wrong and then destroyed any chance to fix it, and they did Rey's backstory wrong and destroyed any chance to fix it.

The crazy part is it felt like the movie kept saying 'ha ha, had you fooled gotcha!', when the only reason I even cared about Snoke and Rey's backstory was because the movie kept telling me it was important. If you're just going to throw it away then why are you even taking me through this whole song and dance? The only reason the plot twists surprised me is because they kept doing something stupid every time they set it up like they were going to do something smart.

By the end I thought to myself, "Luke is going to show up and they're going to tease that he's going to do the Obi Wan If You Strike Me Down thing and then say gotcha and do something totally dumb..", and that's exactly what happened.

Also, if Luke was buying time for the rebels to escape at the end, why didn't he tell them that so they weren't just standing around?? Especially considering the effort he was using was LITERALLY killing him. Hell for that matter, since he didn't enter physically in the first place there wasn't even a way out for them to escape, so what the hell was he doing? Unless he knew Rey was there waiting to help them, but then once again why wouldn't he tell them 'go out back Rey's waiting to help you escape?'

I kind of hated this movie. It set up a bunch of cool stuff, completely destroyed it and then laughed in my face for being stupid enough to care about the mysteries that they presented.

That’s pretty on point with how a lot of us feel.

Rian just wanting to throw his dick around because he can and fuck with everything that came before him.

Useless prick.

The Kevin smith review gave me serious feels when he talked about how some of us have waited 30 fucking years for the return of Luke Skywalker who to us IS Star Wars, and then stole that from us.

I legit cried when I thought about it that way, blame my fucked up life and a little part of when I actually had a happy child hood returning, and that mother fucker stealing that from me and my son enjoying it together , legit fucking cried when Kevin put it into that context as he was too.

You know he was holding back like a mother fucker to keep from getting black balled.

He went to tucking Colorado to watch luke return with his child hood friend and had that stolen from him for Rian own personal self deprecating agenda.

Fuck That Mother Fucker.

I would legit knock that mother fucker out if i saw him on the street like Matt Damon in good will hunting.

Instead of saying it’s me from third grade it would be , this is for the STar Wars fans bitch

 

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How did this become Rian Johnson purposely tanked STAR WARS because he hates it? I'm not sure which level of troll we're all operating on here. And that's going either way. At this point the audience has left and it's just the opening act magicians trying to one-up each other, right?

 

[iThrillhouse]

I still think episode 3 is the best star wars movie.

The opening scene is insane. The conversations between Palpatine and Anakin were really good. The Anakin v Kenobi fight was intense. Becoming Darth Vader scene. Dooku v Anakin fight scene. It's my favourite and the one I have rewatched most.

LOL

damn I didn't think 7 year olds knew how to register for online forums

 

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Saw this last week and while I was entertained watching it, I was overall disappointed and the more days that passed the more disappointed I became. It felt like the movie was giving me the middle finger the entire time by setting up potentially interesting plot lines and then completely destroying them so they can't even be further explored in the next movie.

All of the 'plot twists' were directed at audience expectations instead of following a coherent story line and it bugged me quite a bit. In fact, from the 'twists' to the 'humor', the movie was a just a little too self aware that an audience was watching it for my tastes.

They did Luke wrong and then destroyed any chance to fix it in the next movie, they did Snoke wrong and then destroyed any chance to fix it, and they did Rey's backstory wrong and destroyed any chance to fix it.

The crazy part is it felt like the movie kept saying 'ha ha, had you fooled gotcha!', when the only reason I even cared about Snoke and Rey's backstory was because the movie kept telling me it was important. If you're just going to throw it away then why are you even taking me through this whole song and dance? The only reason the plot twists surprised me is because they kept doing something stupid every time they set it up like they were going to do something smart.

By the end I thought to myself, "Luke is going to show up and they're going to tease that he's going to do the Obi Wan If You Strike Me Down thing and then say gotcha and do something totally dumb..", and that's exactly what happened.

Also, if Luke was buying time for the rebels to escape at the end, why didn't he tell them that so they weren't just standing around?? Especially considering the effort he was using was LITERALLY killing him. Hell for that matter, since he didn't enter physically in the first place there wasn't even a way out for them to escape, so what the hell was he doing? Unless he knew Rey was there waiting to help them, but then once again why wouldn't he tell them 'go out back Rey's waiting to help you escape?'

I kind of hated this movie. It set up a bunch of cool stuff, completely destroyed it and then laughed in my face for being stupid enough to care about the mysteries that they presented.

Mother fuck, wrote a long ass reply only to have page reload when i hit post.

But yes that’s how we feel.

Fuck it I’ll write it again.

Watching the Kevin smith review I legit cried when he talked about how some of us waited 30 fucking years for the return of Luke Skywalker whom to a lot of us growing up IS Star Wars.

And to have that stolen from us, when he put it that way it brought the feels

Blame it on a lot of shitty life and childhood and the one good part of when my childhood was actually happy to get to see Luke return and share that with my son, to have that stolen from me. Legit cried.

Fuck that Mother fucker, he stole that for self deprecating purposes because he could and wanted to Dick with what was done before him because he could

I would legit knock that mother fucker out if I saw him on the street like Matt Damon in good will hunting

But instead of it’s me will from third grade would be,
This is for the Luke Skywalker fans bitch

 

[KnightTemplar]

Weird coincidence: I watched the film today, on the first anniversary of Carrie Fisher's death. It wasn't planned, it just happened that way. Alfie Fisher, who played the guy with, "a death sentence in 12 systems" who tried to pick a fight with Luke in the Mos Esley cantina, also passed away today.

 

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[EvilDDS]

It could be to fuel or because the ships having problems.

One the size of the falcon I would think had generators like nuke or something we don’t know about in our tech but maybe.

Usually it’s the small ones like tie fighters, they mention. Tie fighters don’t even have hyper drive.

Even x-wings are big anough to have hyper drive and much larger range.

At the bare minimum luke flew from hoth to degobah and to cloud city from there with no refueling.

Have to watch empire again but thinking about it now I’m pretty sure they are fueling up x-wings on hoth and in a new hope

Had a rerun of Rebels on today. And interestingly, it was an episode about fuel.

The Rebels were out at a refinery stealing a shipment of fuel meant for the Empire. The fuel or gas is called Clouzon-36, and is refined from asteroids. Not sure if you watch the show, but Sabine says the shipment they were going to steal was enough to power all the ships in Phoenix Squadron

And think you're right about the rebels fuelling up X-wings in both those movies, gotta check it out but sounds right

 

[KnightTemplar]

The, "Holding for General Hux" scene was so lame it could have been written by Joss Whedon

 

[KnightTemplar]

Also: the scene where Ren leads the troops into the Rebel base is an obvious homage to Anikan leading the 501st Legion to sack the Jedi Temple in RoTS.

 

[bosox32]

The, "Holding for General Hux" scene was so lame it could have been written by Joss Whedon

I can’t believe no one involved with this film spoke up and said “this is fucking lame”. Same can be said for the feather scene, shirtless scene, dice scene.

I hate when they build up a scene with tension and suspense to just weaken it by implementing humor. Ruins the fucking meaningfulness of that scene; it’s basically garbage. Allow the audience to feel the drama.

Excuse my pro wrestling analogy, you can’t trash on a heel or make him seem weak in a promo than beat him in the actual match. You need to make the bad guy look strong so when the hero wins it actually feels like a victory. This can be applied to the whole fking movie.

 

[method115]

I hate when they build up a scene with tension and suspense to just weaken it by implementing humor. Ruins the fucking meaningfulness of that scene; it’s basically garbage. Allow the audience to feel the drama.

Not going to say I hate it cause it can work in certain movies. Star Wars is not one of those movies though.

 

[Loiosh]

I was underwhelmed.

I just saw it and I'm not going to go into detail, although it's incredibly amusing how rustled some in this thread are about how many women held positions of power in this film. Grow a pair, boys. You sound sad and pathetic.

I will say that I was incredibly disappointed with Luke in this film. After decades hearing about him being one of the most powerful Jedi in history, it would have been incredibly sweet to see him actually in action before dying. The fake out with the force projection was particularly painful. I've always said that new films are for new characters, but this is Star Wars, and Luke. If you're going to have him in there, he should be insanely powerful. We got nothing. Worse than nothing, they teased an epic finale, and gave us a fake out.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

totally off topic but am rewatching the series from episode 1. just started episode 2 and did anyone else notice that amidala was given an afro in her head dress?

 

[Loiosh]

Not going to say I hate it cause it can work in certain movies. Star Wars is not one of those movies though.

Too many instances in this film based on the modern vernacular. Putting people "on hold" just seems awkward in Star Wars. Yoda saying the ancient Jedi texts aren't "page turners" was terrible. The jokes would have been fine in Raiders of the Lost Ark, but not in fantasy science fiction with no connection to Earth.

 

[bosox32]

I remember when younger and the prequels came out i wanted to know who was the strongest Jedi. I would read forums about it. I personally thought it would be Obi Wan.

• Wins over prime anakin, grevious, Maul
• Lost to Dooku; more of a stylistic defeat imo

Anyway, so much Star Wars nerds would shoot in there pants about Luke being the strongest of all time. Saying he beat Sidous and Vader. I’d like to see their rankings now lol.

1. Rey












100. Everyone else.

 

[iThrillhouse]

Too many instances in this film based on the modern vernacular. Putting people "on hold" just seems awkward in Star Wars. Yoda saying the ancient Jedi texts aren't "page turners" was terrible. The jokes would have been fine in Raiders of the Lost Ark, but not in fantasy science fiction with no connection to Earth.

like Guardians of the Galaxy 2 when Chris Pratt calls Rocket a trash panda...

trashpanda is a very 2017 slang so it felt super bizarre hearing it there

 

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afro

*perm

 

[AJ Garcia]

I’m pretty surprised at the amount of people in this thread that said they didn’t like it, and then went and saw it again lol there’s no way I would give them more money after watching that abomination the first time.

 

[Loiosh]

like Guardians of the Galaxy 2 when Chris Pratt calls Rocket a trash panda...

trashpanda is a very 2017 slang so it felt super bizarre hearing it there

I have no idea what a trash panda is.

The joke went right over my head in the film.

 

[GtehMVP]

I was underwhelmed.

I just saw it and I'm not going to go into detail, although it's incredibly amusing how rustled some in this thread are about how many women held positions of power in this film. Grow a pair, boys. You sound sad and pathetic.

I will say that I was incredibly disappointed with Luke in this film. After decades hearing about him being one of the most powerful Jedi in history, it would have been incredibly sweet to see him actually in action before dying. The fake out with the force projection was particularly painful. I've always said that new films are for new characters, but this is Star Wars, and Luke. If you're going to have him in there, he should be insanely powerful. We got nothing. Worse than nothing, they teased an epic finale, and gave us a fake out.

I can't speak for anyone else, but a female in a high profile position doesn't bother me the slightest. One of my fav on screen characters of all time is Ripley in the first two Alien films (fuck me that Disney now owns Aliens). It's when it's done at the expense of men, that's when I have an issue. Pretty much every guy in this movie is either an irrational buffoon, trigger happy danger, evil capitalist, or a metaphorical Nazi. Considering female actions made things worse, I guess everyone is a retard in this film lol. Luke was smart to check out.

That's basically the method of this film though, build someone/something up at the expense of another. That can work, but it needs to make sense, or be written well. They basically shat on the original lore and replaced it with garbage. They killed off Snoke and and replaced him with the very unscary Kylo who couldn't beat Praetorian guards on his own, let alone defeat Rey, who has two days of training at best so far.

I'm interested to see how they make Ep 9 compelling. So far they've shown no plan/arcs in their story telling. Hopefully the backlash makes them take things seriously, because they are on the verge of destroying a money making machine. Sadly, they've already destroyed the lore for many. The new Han Solo origin movie sales/critiques will be interesting.