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STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

If you have seen STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI, how would you rate it?


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Saw it again yesterday with lower expectations and still thought it was pretty bad. However, the film could have been better if the writing and dialogue was better and more detailed. I wouldn't have minded all they decisions the made regarding luke, snoke, etc. But the execution is downright terrible, I honestly don't see this movie as a bad movie but for star wars its the 2nd to worst (hence the ratings). I think stronger writing and direction would have eased some of the woes for us. Movie lacked any serious dept, I'd keep my rating the same though at 6/10. Not really hyped at all for episode 9, compared to how hyped I was seeing this. The problem I think lies with the potential this movie had, it had the potential to be the best star wars yet and it fell flat.
 
Gonna watch this movie again tonight with my family. I really dont want to subject myself to this again for 2 1/2 hours but It's a free ticket and I want to see what they have to say. I've warned them so they are aware of it. Meh, I'll get a good free meal out of it and I can at least try to make sense of this mess of a movie. I'm sure I'll just end up hating myself but at least I'll enjoy seeing the disappointed looks on people's faces once again.
 
Wasn't that first a Lucas call? Wasn't he the guy that wanted canon to be "just the films?" I know Disney also made that decision, but then relaxed to include some other things (I feel, due to backlash).

Yes, he gave a lot of leeway in what stories people told since “it doesn’t count”. When it was heard that Disney was gonna cherry pick what it wanted from the EU though, people couldn’t help but hold out hope they would use some of the better EU stories.

Instead of Luke, Leia, Han, Mara Jade, Jacen and Jania Solo, and Ben Skywalker and those great stories associated with them. We got Rey, Finn, and Crylo Ren.

Purely speculation on my part mind you. But any conversation I have with die hard fans usually comes around to “Why didn’t they just use this story, it makes so much more sense.....”
 
Edwards was chaperoned and Tony Gilroy directed some it. And I'm fairly certain Gilroy has no respect for nostalgia. No matter who directs the films we will complain. Hell we complained about Lucas.

It's just dumbfounding they didn't name Spielberg for IX. Like why hasn't that happened?!

Although they work together in a similar capacity on Godzilla as well so I suspect there was much less drama to that than the press talked up. Edwards has claimed since that there was always the intension of doing reshoots, his style being to shoot a hell of a lot of material that might be useful then see how things work out in the rough edit before going back to fill the gaps playing up the films strengths.

It wasn't just the tone of that film which reminds me of the originals but also that its the first Starwars film since them that actually felt slick as if the script had been perfected over a long period of rewrites/editing. The prequels and now the sequels to me all feel like they would be decent first drafts of a script that could be greatly improved by cutting out irrelevant material and giving more time and depth to the good stuff.

I remember all those "I rebel!" zingers in the Rogue One trailer thinking Jyn looked like a Poochie SW character and come release almost all of that was gone.
 
Why?

Well, because the number of die hard SW fans is still smaller than the number of general movie goers. Because the new Star Trek movies showed them you can play around with canon as long as you put a visually appealing movie on film. Because you have people not affiliated with the creation of this universe running the show.

For me personally, I think the real question and the main reason people are so pissed, is die hard fans wanting to know, “Why ditch the EU for new canon?” Most were excited and hoping for their favorite SW extended universe story to be made into a film.

Talk about a false narrative.

We are pissed because the movie didnt discuss the motives behind snoke. You may say, no big deal, but there was another movie with him in it, shrouded with mystery. That wasnt an accident. Do you think this choice, independent as it may be, is BETTER than providing some back story?

Finn and Rose did nothing for a lengthy amount of time. This is a pointless plot and would be a major problem in any/every movie.

Luke not really doing a whole lot other than piss and moan.

Look, i cant take the notion of going to see this as a NON STAR WARS fan and end up liking it more than a score of 7. Im willing to bet those that saw this and liked it are star wars fans, so this is a fruitless argument.
 
Saw it again yesterday with lower expectations and still thought it was pretty bad. However, the film could have been better if the writing and dialogue was better and more detailed. I wouldn't have minded all they decisions the made regarding luke, snoke, etc. But the execution is downright terrible, I honestly don't see this movie as a bad movie but for star wars its the 2nd to worst (hence the ratings). I think stronger writing and direction would have eased some of the woes for us. Movie lacked any serious dept, I'd keep my rating the same though at 6/10. Not really hyped at all for episode 9, compared to how hyped I was seeing this. The problem I think lies with the potential this movie had, it had the potential to be the best star wars yet and it fell flat.


Fuck, a 2nd time?

I don't see myself even streaming it for a second viewing, even if its in HD.
 
Fuck, a 2nd time?

I don't see myself even streaming it for a second viewing, even if its in HD.
Took the GF, she just watched the entire series over the weekend and was off work. I also wanted to go in this time with a different mindset. (I saw TFA twice as well) but I still left bitter after TLJ. Even my gf was like, "they really dumbed down the plot". She expected much more from this movie as well.
 
The belligerence is hard to decipher. But essentially criticisms are: a poor handling of Luke and replacing the mystery of Rey and Snoke with nothing especially tied to the previous lore. And spacewalk Leia. And no one cares about Canto Bight. Did I miss anything?

Blue milk.
 
Took the GF, she just watched the entire series over the weekend and was off work. I also wanted to go in this time with a different mindset. (I saw TFA twice as well) but I still left bitter after TLJ. Even my gf was like, "they really dumbed down the plot". She expected much more from this movie as well.

I'm annoyed by the Hype and praise heaped on Rian Johnson for this , critics continue to lose credibility. I really hope Johnson doesn't get his own Star Wars spin off Trilogy .
 
People that dismiss Snoke’s importance or relevance are overlooking the fact that he’s important in the development of Ren’s character.

If they’re not going to explain where Snoke came from, how he started the First Order or how he got his powers that’s fine, but then they should at least explain how he came into Ren’s life and began corrupting him.

Maybe Snoke’s not important, but Ren sure is, and Snoke plays a major part in explaining how Ben Solo became Kylo Ren.
I agree but thats not the full picture
We wanted snokes story soo badly cause we have mountaims of sith and jedi(of various shades now) lore and this guy watched the rise and fall of sidious unfelt or unoticed by anyone but the emps himself

But for me that was the message the film tried to ram home
Lukes 1st lesson to rey was to teach that the force was everywhere and how arrogant it was of the jedi etc to think they mattered in the big picture
This mirrors snoke telling kylo that the light side would rise to meet his growing darkness in rey.
The knights of rey and snokes rise dont matter as the galaxy and the force are vast and timeless...there will always be force using sects on both sides and everything inbetween ! And it doesnt matter which wins as the other side will eventualy balance that out !

Outside of the force the movie also seems to hint at a universe where freedom(rebels) vs control/ order (empire/first order) is also a timeless struggle with its depection of the powerful and rich making money off both sides.

Anyway thats my 2 cents
 
Not My Luke Skywalker: Mark Hamill Details Creative Differences On THE LAST JEDI

“I said to Rian: ‘Jedis don’t give up. I mean even if he had a problem he would maybe take a year to try and regroup, but if he made a mistake he would try and right that wrong.’ So right there we had a fundamental difference, but it’s not my story anymore. It’s somebody else’s story, and Rian needed me to be a certain way to make the ending effective. That’s the crux of my problem. Luke would never say that. I’m sorry. Well in this version, see I’m talking about the George Lucas Star Wars. This is the next generation of Star Wars, so I almost had to think of Luke as another character. Maybe he is Jake Skywalker.

He’s not my Luke Skywalker, but I had to do what Rian wanted me to do because it serves the story well, but listen, I still haven’t accepted it completely. But it’s only a movie. I hope people like it. I hope they don’t get upset, and I came to really believe that Rian was the exact man that they need for this job.”
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Tom Hardy’s Cut THE LAST JEDI Cameo Sounds Really Weird


Actor Tom Hardy originally had a cameo as a First Order stormtrooper in this sequence. A group of stormtroopers get in the elevator and our heroes are nervous they are going to get caught. One of the stormtroopers slowly turns to Finn and gives him a look. Finn turns around in his Imperial officer uniform and asks him what his problem is. The stormtrooper, played by Hardy with a southern accent, says “I know who you are…. FN 2187! Damn boy, I never took you for officer material!” The tension is cut by the reveal that the two grew up together, but the troopers are somehow unaware of FN’s treason.

Edwards has claimed since that there was always the intension of doing reshoots, his style being to shoot a hell of a lot of material that might be useful then see how things work out in the rough edit before going back to fill the gaps playing up the films strengths.
This is the problem with fast-tracking films; this Edwards approach as you have described it is a process that should be hammered out at the writing stage. One method how scripts get written is first you come up with an idea and then you come up with the ideal closing image, which punctuates whatever question established by the opening idea. From there, you build structure weaving back and forth from beginning to end fashioning the best peaks and valleys in broad strokes, then tailor it down with each succeeding pass.

It's criminal to take such an approach at the filming stage, despite all the times we hear of re-shoots and pick-ups shots. Those are done because they are necessary; beta-testing should never be part of the production plan. Ain't nobody got time for that backwards shit, Gareth.

It wasn't just the tone of that film which reminds me of the originals but also that its the first Starwars film since them that actually felt slick as if the script had been perfected over a long period of rewrites/editing. The prequels and now the sequels to me all feel like they would be decent first drafts of a script that could be greatly improved by cutting out irrelevant material and giving more time and depth to the good stuff.
ROGUE ONE had it D3AD 51MPLE.

Everyone already knows how le plot's supposed to end up. From the beginning it's easy to parse a clear and tight timeline. It's easy to stick to the mission, plus the audience KNOWS the mission (it's a simple one), so it's also easier to add bits of character work and fan-service.

With the main trilogies, anything can happen. We don't know where it's going beforehand. With all the available options of choices (literally ANYTHING imaginable) it's hard to pick and choose a myriad collection of the most satisfying story events and hallmarks. And not just one mission, but the multidinous lives and motivations of several characters in different settings.

The enormous pressure to pull from absolutely nothing a fresh yet respectful new foray into this universe only adds to the margin of difficulty.

Particularly under tight-as-hell deadlines.
 
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Theory. The reason they used a force projection is that they tricked Luke into filming a different ending to keep him quiet and relatively happy . There's a picture of Mark Hamill has it comes out the Premier looking after the shell shocked and devastated . What are you guys and gals think ?

The look on Hamill face looking st Rian like he wants to kill him says that In spades. No telling how much stuff they shot and didn’t show just for misdirection purposes.

Would not be a first for SW, in empire during filming Vader said

“Obi wan killed your father” not “I am your father”

Only hamil knew moments before and said that just saybthe lines they told him no matter that they don’t match with what prouse(sp?) is saying

In the first screening they still had vader say Obi wan killed anakin, wasn’t till the theatrical release that showed “I am your father”
 
Theory. The reason they used a force projection is that they tricked Luke into filming a different ending to keep him quiet and relatively happy . There's a picture of Mark Hamill has it comes out the Premier looking after the shell shocked and devastated . What are you guys and gals think ?

Force projection was the coolest thing in the movie. I think Mark liked it. He'd seen the movie well before premiere.
 
The belligerence is hard to decipher. But essentially criticisms are: a poor handling of Luke and replacing the mystery of Rey and Snoke with nothing especially tied to the previous lore. And spacewalk Leia. And no one cares about Canto Bight. Did I miss anything?

Is it as hard to decipher as the pretentious condescension from the defenders?

Sure, there's a lot more but that's as good of summation as any. I don't feel like any of those are small things, necessarily. But one of the bigger issues is just how it seems to almost completely ignore FA. Like Luke is saying "I don't want to be found" after an entire movie about the goddamn map he left to find him. Lots of this stuff just doesn't make sense.
 
Theory. The reason they used a force projection is that they tricked Luke into filming a different ending to keep him quiet and relatively happy . There's a picture of Mark Hamill has it comes out the Premier looking after the shell shocked and devastated . What are you guys and gals think ?

I really doubt it. But I'd love to see the picture.
 
Is it as hard to decipher as the pretentious condescension from the defenders?

Sure, there's a lot more but that's as good of summation as any. I don't feel like any of those are small things, necessarily. But one of the bigger issues is just how it seems to almost completely ignore FA. Like Luke is saying "I don't want to be found" after an entire movie about the goddamn map he left to find him. Lots of this stuff just doesn't make sense.
They hated TFA so therefore TLJ is amazing because it undoes the actual main plot. That logic is super flawed and is downright in hipster territory.
 
That's a poor strawman argument, @D3THRONED! LOL.

Is it as hard to decipher as the pretentious condescension from the defenders?
Fnarr fnarr.

.... one of the bigger issues is just how it seems to almost completely ignore FA. Like Luke is saying "I don't want to be found" after an entire movie about the goddamn map he left to find him. Lots of this stuff just doesn't make sense.
I didn't know he left that map, but it's not within reason that he might have changed his mind along the way.

That's another thing that bothers me with even Hamill's preference that a Jedi would never give up. Luke doesn't give up. His self-exile to Acht-To is merely a self-imposed obstacle on his way to fulfilling his destiny. If what Hamill is saying is that he would have preferred a plot structure where Luke overcame non-internal obstacles -- I don't think that would be nearly as satisfying. Eye candy, maybe -- but there was eye candy here too. The thing about Luke is that he's always in the middle of shit. Dark and Light. Jedi and Sith. Discipline and Temptation.
 
They hated TFA so therefore TLJ is amazing because it undoes the actual main plot. That logic is super flawed and is downright in hipster territory.
LOL wrong. I love both movies and if I see a hipster my first instinct is to punch him in the face.
 
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