STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI

[Social Distance Warrior]

Just for the record, the reaction I had to the last jedi was identical to the first Michael bay transformers. ..

Absolute disgust...and rage

 

[90 50]

Where are you getting all this info? I dont remember hearing Abrams had drafts and whatnot of the entire trilogy.

Here is just one of hundreds.

Jj also said he didn’t like rians script after he read it and asked if he could do the last Jedi instead because he knew he was going to fuck it up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/star-wars-8-9-jj-abrams-script/amp/

 

[HomerThompson]

I'd watch Justice League again before The Last Jedi. Honest to goodness.

 

[Midnighter]

He was whining virtually every second of his training, then abandoned his training to go get his ass kicked by a cripple.

Where in the trilogy are you seeing Luke as a wise, all powerful Jedi who would never fail at training an apprentice and then go into hiding? I mean it already happened to Obi-Wan who is portrayed as being much wiser and mentally strong than Luke.

Except that he stopped whining during his training, was progressing well, then sensed his friends were in trouble so he left.

Your second paragraph is irrelevant and asking about things I never said.

 

[D Train]

The worst part really, is that abrams had a complete coherent trilogy story, and script drafts.

Rian felt it took away to much from him being able to show off so he shit canned all of it.

There were scenes that Luke was a bad ass and that took away to much from rians new characters he wanted to right so he made luke a bitch.

Hamill was going to the gym everymorning to get in shape and was pissed when he read the “new” script.

Even daisy has talked about how rian shit all over Abraham’s story.

Fuck that guy , it’s one thing to fuck with charactors of an adult, but seeing how it’s pissed off so many kids too, who had such high hopes to see luke now In a new movie get shattered.

My kid doesn’t even want to watch it again, doesn’t want to buy the new movie doesn’t ask about it at all.

He’s perfectly content to watch the original trilogy every night.

He puts one in his DVD player every fucking night to watch when he goes to bed and falls asleep, we have every movie except last Jedi.

He normally always watches one of 4-6, sometimes one of the prequels and he has zero fucking interest in ever seeing last Jedi again. This is a kid that watches a Star Wars movie Every fuckjng night!!!! HE has ZERO interest In ever watching it again and hasn’t even asked when the new one is coming out.

That’s how bad that asshole fucked up Star Wars.

I wish Hamill had turned down the role. We wouldn’t have had Luke, but at least we would still have Luke, you know?

 

[90 50]

I wish Hamill had turned down the role. We wouldn’t have had Luke, but at least we would still have Luke, you know?

Apparently the only reason he didn’t is because it was shot different, lots of shit was left out and edited to be much different.

Look at his reaction watching it and the look like he wants to kill rian

Someone videoed it and it explains a lot, there is video interviews of Hamill saying he wouldn’t have done it if he knew it was going to be the way it was.

Hamill was saying all kinds of shit before they shut him up

 

[supnmunm]

This movie was so bad I couldn't stomach to watch it in one go, it's a cringing festival. As for comparing it to The Phantom Menace, I cannot concur.

In the Phantom Menace you had at least interesting characters like Qui Gon Jinn, Darth Maul and good lightsaber fights. The Last Jedi has by far the worst scrip, directing, characters, action scenes and acting of the whole franchise, second to none.

I never thought there would come a time when I would stop looking forward to these movies. Can't believe what they've done with this universe and the media deceiving campaign around it.

Agreed on the part about the Phantom Menace. The prequels weren't good and they had plenty of wtf and cringe moments/dialogue but they at least added some cool stuff like Maul and Sidious' creation of the empire. TLJ however was a cringe fest from start to finish. I was laughing at how pathetic some of the scenes were (Leia space scene? Wtf was that?) Aside from Poe and Finn, literally every character was terrible. Fat Asian bitch and purple haired SJW bitch were just terrible. Worse than Jar Jar ever was.

 

[Bob Gray]

There are interviews on line you can watch with daisy talking about it, like was talking about it till they silenced him(meant to type Hamill lol)

Dude look around the info is not hard to find.

Here is just one of hundreds.

Jj also said he didn’t like rians script after he read it and asked if he could do the last Jedi instead because he knew he was going to fuck it up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/star-wars-8-9-jj-abrams-script/amp/

The source you posted is saying the complete opposite of what you stated. It says Abrams was a fan of Johnsons script and wanted to direct it after he read the screenplay.

That said, Abrams did like Johnson’s pitchand wanted to direct The Last Jedi himself after reading the final script.

One of the links from the article sends you to another page where it talks about how much Abrams like the script.

https://screenrant.com/jj-abrams-liked-star-wars-8-last-jedi-story/


So, what exactly are you talking about?

 

[Bob Gray]

Not at all. His greatest feat is barely defeating a crippled Vader who is a shell of himself, can barely breathe, and needs to be encased in armor just to stay alive. That's the only time we've seen him face off against another Jedi.

Meanwhile throughout the whole trilogy we see him constantly complaining about things and struggling. I mean just because he mans up at the end doesn't make him a complete badass.

The movies are exploring the scenario of what would happen if everything went to shit after the trilogy. He is trusted to train his best friend and sister's child and fails miserably. He fails Ben, fails Han, and fails Leia. He fails his other students who either get murdered or go along with Ben. His Jedi academy is burned to the ground. After all this happens he chooses to go into exile. Just like both Yoda and Obi-Wan before him.

Makes sense to me. I mean he's nowhere close to as strong as Yoda and look what ends up happening to him.

Wrong. His greatest feat is that he willingly went in front of arguably the two most powerful beings in the universe and did so completely unarmed for the sole purpose of turning Darth fucking Vader, a goddamn walking Murder Factory, back to the light. He accomplished this.

Theres more to being a jedi than waving your light saber around.

The problem isnt even that he failed and chose exile. Its that in no fucking way, shape, or form did they convey it properly that that character would have done what he did. Again, this dude faced down Emperor Palpatine and Darth frigging Vader unarmed. But then he sees his own family member, that he helped raise from the time he was born, being manipulated by the most insidious force in the galaxy and he instantly thinks "IM GONNA SLEEP-STAB MY NEPHEW".

To top it all off, his death is completely arbitrary and meaningless.

 

[90 50]

The source you posted is saying the complete opposite of what you stated. It says Abrams was a fan of Johnsons script and wanted to direct it after he read the screenplay.




One of the links from the article sends you to another page where it talks about how much Abrams like the script.

https://screenrant.com/jj-abrams-liked-star-wars-8-last-jedi-story/


So, what exactly are you talking about?

He was probublay told to change his opinion, I swept through the article posting it as it was the first one on google search.

I had read before the reason he asked to do it was because of how bad he hated it and it was a complete pile of shit basically(as we all agree) I’m sure they said”here’s 9, now change your opinion on rian to the public”

Rian trashed everything he was setting up, you think he actually liked it? If he had why would he then ask to do it??

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Not at all. His greatest feat is barely defeating a crippled Vader who is a shell of himself, can barely breathe, and needs to be encased in armor just to stay alive. That's the only time we've seen him face off against another Jedi.

Meanwhile throughout the whole trilogy we see him constantly complaining about things and struggling. I mean just because he mans up at the end doesn't make him a complete badass.

The movies are exploring the scenario of what would happen if everything went to shit after the trilogy. He is trusted to train his best friend and sister's child and fails miserably. He fails Ben, fails Han, and fails Leia. He fails his other students who either get murdered or go along with Ben. His Jedi academy is burned to the ground. After all this happens he chooses to go into exile. Just like both Yoda and Obi-Wan before him.

Makes sense to me. I mean he's nowhere close to as strong as Yoda and look what ends up happening to him.

Lol So Vader is just some cripple now?
And Yoda is a 2 foot tall, 900 year old elf monkey. For a force user, their physical form doesn't have much bearing on what they can actually do.
Vader was not some chump. He could have had Stephen Hawking's condition and still fucked up people with his force power alone.

And that is a shit story. What fun is watching a movie where a guy just fucking fails at absolutely everything?
Especially when you don't show how or why he fails. He just fucking fails.
A competent, good guy can't do a SINGLE thing right? Really? We're just supposed to go along with that and ask no questions? And be content with what we're watching?
I don't need a happy ending. But if you're going to show the greatest Jedi/hero of the galaxy, as a complete failure, then the movie should have been about how he got to that point.

 

[blaseblah]

Wrong. His greatest feat is that he willingly went in front of arguably the two most powerful beings in the universe and did so completely unarmed for the sole purpose of turning Darth fucking Vader, a goddamn walking Murder Factory, back to the light. He accomplished this.

Theres more to being a jedi than waving your light saber around.

The problem isnt even that he failed and chose exile. Its that in no fucking way, shape, or form did they convey it properly that that character would have done was he did. Again, this dude faced down Emperor Palpatine and Darth frigging Vader unarmed. But then he sees his own family member, that he helped raise from the time he was born, being manipulated by the most insidious force in the galaxy and he instantly thinks "IM GONNA SLEEP-STAB MY NEPHEW".

To top it all off, his death is completely arbitrary and meaningless.

His death is the climax of the film, allowing the rebels to escape and making Kylo Ren look like a fool. It was an epic moment. Only an idiot would call it meaningless.

Also he looked inside Vader and sensed that he could be turned. He saw good in him. He explicitly says he looked inside Kylo Ren and saw he couldn't save him. That's why he made the choice he did, though ultimately he didn't go through with it.

Luke was portrayed in the original trilogy as an amateurish, headstrong, whiny protagonist who ultimately at the end manned up and made the right decision. He grew as a character. This doesn't suddenly mean from that point on he is a badass Jedi incapable of wrong who always makes the right decisions. That's not how life works, and that's not how humans work. We fuck up.

The movie had multiple flaws but Luke's character was not one of them. IMO he was one of the best parts of the movie.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Now it's time for the fanboys to admit The Force Awakens and Rogue One both sucked dick too.

What did you not like about Rogue One?
I skipped it when it first came out, but just caught it recently. I thought it was good movie in its own right, and that it was much better than the piece of shit TLJ, and better than TFA.

 

[blaseblah]

Lol So Vader is just some cripple now?
And Yoda is a 2 foot tall, 900 year old elf monkey. For a force user, their physical form doesn't have much bearing on what they can actually do.
Vader was not some chump. He could have had Stephen Hawking's condition and still fucked up people with his force power alone.

And that is a shit story. What fun is watching a movie where a guy just fucking fails at absolutely everything?
Especially when you don't show how or why he fails. He just fucking fails.
A competent, good guy can't do a SINGLE thing right? Really? We're just supposed to go along with that and ask no questions? And be content with what we're watching?
I don't need a happy ending. But if you're going to show the greatest Jedi/hero of the galaxy, as a complete failure, then the movie should have been about how he got to that point.

Lightsaber skills still take some physical ability. Vader is a shell of himself at that point. He may be a badass, but Anakin was a stronger Jedi.

The movie wasnt about Luke, it was about Rey. She's the main protagonist of this series. Luke is basically Yoda at this point. And he got a way more glorious sendoff than any of the other Jedi. Sounds like you're giving Disney more ideas about prequel material though.

 

[Bob Gray]

His death is the climax of the film, allowing the rebels to escape and making Kylo Ren look like a fool. It was an epic moment. Only an idiot would call it meaningless.

Also he looked inside Vader and sensed that he could be turned. He saw good in him. He explicitly says he looked inside Kylo Ren and saw he couldn't save him. That's why he made the choice he did, though ultimately he didn't go through with it.

Luke was portrayed in the original trilogy as an amateurish, headstrong, whiny protagonist who ultimately at the end manned up and made the right decision. He grew as a character. This doesn't suddenly mean from that point on he is a badass Jedi incapable of wrong who always makes the right decisions. That's not how life works, and that's not how humans work. We fuck up.

The movie had multiple flaws but Luke's character was not one of them. IMO he was one of the best parts of the movie.

The reveal of him being a mirage was epic, yes. His death was arbitrary and meaningless. Since he essentially dies to give the rebels a 3 minute head start that they wouldnt even have needed if Rose hadnt saved Fins life because she had jungle fever. To top it all off, theres no reason he even needed to die from making a mirror image of himself. It was completely arbitrary.

Youre stating what the movie says. Im stating why what the movie says makes no sense. Vader has absolutely done more evil shit than Ren. Not only that, but Ren has shown a conflict that Vader never did. He was reluctant to kill Han and couldnt pull the trigger to kill Leia. These are not the actions of someone who is too far gone to the dark.

Here is Rian Johnson echoing my exact sentiments. So hes disagreeing your interpretation of the movie he wrote and directed.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/17...-the-last-jedi-heres-what-rian-johnson-thinks

Are you kidding? Vader was worse than Kylo ever was, I think, and Vader got redeemed.

In the original trilogy he was a child, yes. By the end, he wasnt. Thats the point. Its called an arc. Protagonists often have them.

Nowhere is anyone saying Luke is incapable of being wrong. Theyre saying that the characters actions are not in line with what has already been established in the canon. It'd be like if Captain Kirk all of the sudden said "Fuck it. Theres too many enemy ships." Then takes the last escape pod, leaves his friends to die and then totally feels bad about it and blames Starfleet.

 

[Bob Gray]

He was probublay told to change his opinion, I swept through the article posting it as it was the first one on google search.

I had read before the reason he asked to do it was because of how bad he hated it and it was a complete pile of shit basically(as we all agree) I’m sure they said”here’s 9, now change your opinion on rian to the public”

Rian trashed everything he was setting up, you think he actually liked it? If he had why would he then ask to do it??

I dont have to answer any questions youre asking me, since I dont know what JJ Abrams thinks. I think johnsons trashed every piece of set up Abrams provided. However, youre the one stated specific things happened and are unable to back any of them up.

 

[Skarr]

You see, I get that about a "enjoyable romp thru scifi" and will give a sci-fi film a great deal of latitude in this regard when it comes to criticism.

if a film is enjoyable, entertaining, doesn't induce cringes every 5 minutes, has believable characters, I will give it a pass.

as I mentioned earlier, Force Awakens, and Rogue 1 had clear problems, and although there are glaring criticisms of these films, they were still enjoyable.

well its sci fi....the moment someone chooses to have an issue with something beforehand during or after....its very easy to cite "cringe" moments...unbelievable characters and shakey plotlines...its near entirely based on something that to us at least is not a reality lol

you say anyone that gave it a 5/10 has no credit in your opinion to evaluate movies yet in my opinion...if you rate the force awakens as being a better movie ...there is something wrong with you but each to their own lol

perhaps an unpopular opinion but to me, not one of the star wars movies have been anything but lighthearted enjoyment

not one had a ground breaking story
not one had award winning acting performances

the only thing they have had going for them is their fun enjoyment level, its sad that so many fans of the original trilogy cant find that same enjoyment in what are essentially the same movies((better graphics)) simply because they cant move past the shine on youth that they experienced with the first set

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Lightsaber skills still take some physical ability. Vader is a shell of himself at that point. He may be a badass, but Anakin was a stronger Jedi.

The movie wasnt about Luke, it was about Rey. She's the main protagonist of this series. Luke is basically Yoda at this point. And he got a way more glorious sendoff than any of the other Jedi. Sounds like you're giving Disney more ideas about prequel material though.

Vader didn't move like a cripple.
He didn't even have to lightsaber duel with Luke if he didn't want to. He also doesn't even really need hands to do it. He could control a saber using the force. He could have electrocuted Luke or thrown his head against a wall 10,000 thousand times.
How was Anakin stronger? Because he was younger and had his body? Nothing in the movies really says that Anakin was stronger. The force strength doesn't even seem to really depend on your age.

That's fine that the movie was about Rey. But if you're going to make it about Rey, you can't be surprised that including a classic character like Luke, and then making him a complete failure, with ZERO explanation, is going to piss people off. Make the movie about Rey, but don't shit on a character to prop her up.
lol and we'll probably just have to agree to disagree, because i thought that was a horrible send off.
Dying from over-exertion of mind force powers?
<{cruzshake}>

 

[Deleted member 110072]

What did you not like about Rogue One?
I skipped it when it first came out, but just caught it recently. I thought it was good movie in its own right, and that it was much better than the piece of shit TLJ, and better than TFA.

Yep, the first good Starwars film since the originals, the sequels are ultimately just dumb thrill rides designed for one viewing by casual fans same as Abrams Trek films.

 

[Tiny]

His death is the climax of the film, allowing the rebels to escape and making Kylo Ren look like a fool. It was an epic moment. Only an idiot would call it meaningless.

Also he looked inside Vader and sensed that he could be turned. He saw good in him. He explicitly says he looked inside Kylo Ren and saw he couldn't save him. That's why he made the choice he did, though ultimately he didn't go through with it.

Luke was portrayed in the original trilogy as an amateurish, headstrong, whiny protagonist who ultimately at the end manned up and made the right decision. He grew as a character. This doesn't suddenly mean from that point on he is a badass Jedi incapable of wrong who always makes the right decisions. That's not how life works, and that's not how humans work. We fuck up.

The movie had multiple flaws but Luke's character was not one of them. IMO he was one of the best parts of the movie.

Dude.

I waited fuckin 30 god damn years to revisit Luke and you think I wanted to watch some schmuck grumpy fuck stuck on a rock with children's toys?

- why did he make the map if he went to the island to die???
- why did Luke try to kill his nephew when everything we've learned about him through 3 fucking movies told us otherwise?
- how the fuck did Luke lose to a girl who didn't even know the force was real two weeks earlier?
- why did Luke look younger in his stupid force projection?
- why did the force projection kill him? Was he just too sad to live like Padmei?
- why did he treat Yoda's visit like an annoyance?
- why didn't he have a reaction to Han's death?
- if fat asian bitch didn't stop Finn from doing the one god damn thing of meaning in the whole movie...then would Luke's sacrifice had been even necessary?
- why didn't he just go there in person?
- what the fuck is the point of that stupid green milk scene?
- why did he just toss aside his father's lightsaber? Did Rian think that cheap joke was better than actually having a character moment dealing with Luke being reconnected with a symbol from his past and connection to his father?


Don't actually answer any of these fucking questions because your answers are going to suck. Just know that Luke was handled VERY FUCKING POORLY to the point I didn't recognize this character at all. I don't know what the fuck I watched in the last jedi but that ain't Luke Skywalker. And if you want to hail Rian for taking us into a new direction none of us wanted to go. Fuck you. It clearly pissed off over half of the fan base. So if that was the goal. Congrats!

It would be Like having Chris Evans reprise his role as Captain America 10 years from now and instead of Captain America we get a fat lazy librarian version of Steve Rogers who doesn't give a shit and won't bother fully explaining why it is he's become a bitchy fat lazy librarian. But we get to watch him for the duration of the film, read books and bitch about random shit.

That's what they gave us with Luke.

Fuck that. And fuck you for thinking that was something clever.