Star Wars Megathread

[FyrFytr998]

Hadn't been paying attention to Star Wars since the Pablo Hidalgo stuff. Had a lot of fun catching up today.

This High Republic shitshow is amazing. The Kennedy faction at Lucasfilm took relationship with the fanbase back to what it was right after TLJ was released and fucked up all of the goodwill from Luke's return within a month.

It doesn't matter what good work is done in the Favreau-led projects in the near future. There's a big group of people from the top down in that company who hate old Star Wars and its fanbase.

I can't believe that Disney is not putting their foot down on this shit given how strapped for cash they are.

Sure......let the two Cis white males running the company drop the hammer on the women and ethnic employees in this current climate. What's the worse that can happen? All Iger can do is ride out her contract at this point, unless she really makes the shareholders pissed.

I said it once, I'll say it again. KK wants to BADLY be thought of as this generation fan's version of George Lucas.

 

[Morning Star]

Hadn't been paying attention to Star Wars since the Pablo Hidalgo stuff. Had a lot of fun catching up today.

This High Republic shitshow is amazing. The Kennedy faction at Lucasfilm took relationship with the fanbase back to what it was right after TLJ was released and fucked up all of the goodwill from Luke's return within a month.

It doesn't matter what good work is done in the Favreau-led projects in the near future. There's a big group of people from the top down in that company who hate old Star Wars and its fanbase.

I can't believe that Disney is not putting their foot down on this shit given how strapped for cash they are.

Pablo is a complete asshole. The guy is so bitter everything that he had a part in was hated and everything Dave and Jon were involved in was loved.

As far as the High Republic goes you can see the regression of Lucas hitting out at the fans again. You got Lucas standing up for some ranting racist, but they stood on the side when Gina has been harassed nonstop. They also removed John Boyega from the Chinese TFA poster and made him into nothing more than comic relief and minimized him in the DT, as bad as Rose was they didn't stand up for Kelly Marie Tran either when she got harassed off social media. Oscar Isaac got a pretty raw deal and was underutilized as well.

Can't wait till Kathleen Kennedy is gone. Everything she touches goes to shit unless she's riding Spielberg or Luca's coattails.

 

[Morning Star]

Sure......let the two Cis white males running the company drop the hammer on the women and ethnic employees in this current climate. What's the worse that can happen? All Iger can do is ride out her contract at this point, unless she really makes the shareholders pissed.

I said it once, I'll say it again. KK wants to BADLY be thought of as this generation fan's version of George Lucas.

I actually don't agree with this. I just think she's power hungry but has zero vision and leadership ability. She's fired at least 3 directors. I think she wants to push her agenda and figured Star Wars fans are dupes that will pay for a movie every year regardless of quality. After TLJ and Solo that's clearly not true. She's a fraud and is desperately clinging for power. If she had a dick she would have been fired already.

 

[Crash Lance]

Can't wait till Kathleen Kennedy is gone. Everything she touches goes to shit unless she's riding Spielberg or Luca's coattails.

Ah, yes. The Reverse Midas Touch.

The Reverse Midas Touch is when everything that Kathleen Kennedy touches transforms into feces. So far, the Walt Disney Corporation era of Star Wars has been nothing but FECES.

The Mandalorian doesn't count because Filoni and everyone around him actually care about the true, real Star Wars.

The true, real Star Wars is George's Star Wars.

 

[Lovestorm]

This is the most amusing reaction video i've seen.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Exactly why the 2015 interview is more relevant than the 2012 interview. Lucas's 4 Billion was mostly in stock, and he had a gag order and he'd suffer large consequences if he said anything in public that's result in Disney's stock lowering in value for his stock, and everyone else's.

And obviously in 2012 he had expectations for how Disney would treat Star Wars, and by 2015 he had seen The Force Awakens and was obviously displeased.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_...ets, with different spaceships, make it new.”

Lucas described “Star Wars: The Force Awakens,” the film that resulted from Disney’s vision, as “a retro movie.”
“I don’t like that,” he said. “Every movie, I work very hard to make them completely different, with different planets, with different spaceships, make it new.”

Everyone knows about the Iger book so I'm not sure why you're even bringing all that up. Our pov's are not different regarding how Lucas was unhappy once he realized they weren't using his midichlorians/Whills story.

I mean back in 2013 when he left the project as a consultant, everyone knew he wasn't happy with it back then... I didn't need Bob Iger to verify that, so I don't know why you're trying to call me out for a video you think I didn't watch. Per our discussion, Lucas was extremely happy with Disney at the time of sale & he personally hand picked KK to be his replacement. All this stuff from 3 years later is off topic.

You'd have seen this quote in the video I linked in my last post, but you didn't watch it.

We're not talking about things from 3 years later though & what makes you think I didn't watch the video. I certainly didn't need it for the quote you're describing below. We were hashing that shit out for weeks live in the SW's threads when it happened. So it's not like you're bringing new information to the table. What's that, almost a year & a half old now?

Again you didn't watch the Jeremy John video which was about Bob Igur - Disney's CEO that did the negotiations with Lucas - autobiography in which he said "George Felt Betrayed." So you're citing information from 2012, while I'm citing more detailed and recent information that is far more reliable that PR interviews.

You & I were discussing things that happened at sale time.

You said:

No, Lucas was strongarmed into signing the deal for the biggest entertainment franchise in history for an undervalued $4 Billion.

I'm pretty sure you made that up.

I showed you an interview of how happy Lucas was at sale time... he called them the best company in the world for the job & was content with the deal.

You kept on in that same post after that quote... to try & make out like Lucas didn't hand pick KK. In your previous post, you were making it out like it was Iger's fault for hiring KK to begin with... & so I showed you in that same interview how Lucas did in fact hand pick KK for the job in fact he went to her... not the other way around. Iger simply took Lucas' company... KK & all.

What is your difficulty just saying "Hey bro... good information... thanks for sharing." You don't have to twist everything I say. I'm not saying I'm right about everything, but I am very proud of how I admit when I'm proven wrong. You're trying to make me be wrong about everything, & I'm just too well studied for that. Are you the only one who's allowed to be right about something? I literally showed you the video proof straight out of Lucas' mouth... & as a response, you changed the subject to prove me wrong about something we weren't even talking about. (& interestingly, something we don't even disagree about)

You also said KK didn't honor the characters Lucas created, & I told you it's Canon that she did & referenced another sherdogger who told you it's true. Even that Fyr Fyter dude told you that it's true, but you're still disputing it in your posts to @moreorless87 & with me. The things you're disputing in that regard are canon though. Just look it up... or I'll show you if you just politely ask.

 

[Phisher]

Sure......let the two Cis white males running the company drop the hammer on the women and ethnic employees in this current climate. What's the worse that can happen? All Iger can do is ride out her contract at this point, unless she really makes the shareholders pissed.

I said it once, I'll say it again. KK wants to BADLY be thought of as this generation fan's version of George Lucas.

Kennedy and the idiots that she hired have cost Disney far more money than any bad press for getting rid of her would.

The fact that Hollywood has let the corrupt trade publications and Twitter distort the reality about what the general public actually wants boggles the mind.

 

[Phisher]

I actually don't agree with this. I just think she's power hungry but has zero vision and leadership ability. She's fired at least 3 directors. I think she wants to push her agenda and figured Star Wars fans are dupes that will pay for a movie every year regardless of quality. After TLJ and Solo that's clearly not true. She's a fraud and is desperately clinging for power. If she had a dick she would have been fired already.

Kennedy has actually fired more directors than she hired for completed Star Wars projects.*

Every Star Wars movie that she had direct control over had chaotic production and multiple reshoots, except TLJ, where she let Rian Johnson destroy the canon without supervision.

The Kenobi series was on the verge of starting production before she realized that the series was going to have a nearly identical plot to The Mandalorian.

She has no business whatsoever running a studio. By this point, it should be obvious to anybody with a functioning brain that she didn't have anything whatsoever to do with creative on most of the iconic movies that she had producers credits on.

Lucas must kick himself every day for handpicking her to preserve the franchise.



*Some people have given her credit for getting rid of Benioff and Weiss after GoT's disastrous ending, but I think that was clearly Bob Iger and Disney corporate putting their foot down and freezing Star Wars movie projects after the sequel trilogy shit the bed.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

except TLJ, where she let Rian Johnson destroy the canon without supervision.

That one article where Rian said this, was Rian talking about how AT FIRST... he was surprised by the lack of direction. One can imagine how they wanted him to give his fresh take. What they didn't get into in that article was what happened after that initial draft. Such things were covered in other articles though about how he moved his home for 4 months in order to collaborate daily, in person, with the story group team. We also have KK saying before Ep.7 dropped that they had a general outline for the whole sequel... & we have Lucas already having penned out "frustrated Hermit Luke due to a past incident" prior to the sale. Lucas even wrote Luke out to die in ep. 8.



So if Rian was just given full control & wasn't given any direction whatsoever, then how did he nail EXACTLY what Lucas' vision of "Not my Luke" was & make the decision all by himself to kill Luke?

That's one helluva coincidence you're selling me there yeah?

At the very least... once you see the canon material that shows all that was penned out by Lucas... you would never again utter the idea that Rian made up his whole story without any help from a pre-determined plan.

All Rian said in that article, was that AT FIRST... they didn't give him a plan. He never discussed what happened afterward, nor did he verify through his own words that there was NEVER an overall plan communicated to him. That was all just made up by the speculators as best as I know... because they took a statement where he was talking about early development... & they blanketed that statement across the entire creative process to include everything through to the end result.

...and good for Rian for taking the heat for "not my Luke" instead of throwing Lucas under the bus.
#RianBless

 

[Crawler89]

ive said it before though and I will say it again....the casual fans, the ones that watch mando and the like arnt the same ones gonna read the high republic stuff.

I'm interested in the high rebpulic and things, its star wars of course I am. but even for me, the guy whose trying to not get invovled in all the politics and shit cant help but be like "....alright".

The only cool part of high republic comic 1 was seeing a younger yoda.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

The new Vader comic series is crushing it atm. I'm at the edge of my fooking seat waiting for ep. 10 to drop.

It's not a spoiler to say what the series is about... since that happens right away, but it's 9 episodes now into how Vader reacted to finding out Padme had a kid. Lets just say that someone got some spainin' to do & you can really feel that there's no cap on the amount of blood he's willing to spill in his wake to find those answers.

It took many interesting twists along the way, but especially going into the yet to be released ep. 10. I know @EvilDDS is chopping at teh bit to see where this goez.

 

[Crawler89]

The new Vader comic series is crushing it atm. I'm at the edge of my fooking seat waiting for ep. 10 to drop.

It's not a spoiler to say what the series is about... since that happens right away, but it's 9 episodes now into how Vader reacted to finding out Padme had a kid. Lets just say that someone got some spainin' to do & you can really feel that there's no cap on the amount of blood he's willing to spill in his wake to find those answers.

It took many interesting twists along the way, but especially going into the yet to be released ep. 10. I know @EvilDDS is chopping at teh bit to see where this goez.

its on my list of stuff to read, hard cause theres no comic book shop here in my city anymore

 

[EvilDDS]

The new Vader comic series is crushing it atm. I'm at the edge of my fooking seat waiting for ep. 10 to drop.

It's not a spoiler to say what the series is about... since that happens right away, but it's 9 episodes now into how Vader reacted to finding out Padme had a kid. Lets just say that someone got some spainin' to do & you can really feel that there's no cap on the amount of blood he's willing to spill in his wake to find those answers.

It took many interesting twists along the way, but especially going into the yet to be released ep. 10. I know @EvilDDS is chopping at teh bit to see where this goez.

Yeah buddy! I"m enjoying the Vader comic as well as the main Star Wars comic which is now telling the story just shortly after The Empire Strikes Back.

Aphra comic is decent too, Bounty Hunters on the other hand, I'm still reading it but it's not my fave of the comics.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

its on my list of stuff to read, hard cause theres no comic book shop here in my city anymore

It's different going digital, but the convenience is worth it for me.
You're digital too @EvilDDS aren't you? or do you get physical books too?

Surely you can have em mailed to you you yeah?
...if you just like that paper in hand.

Yeah buddy! I"m enjoying the Vader comic as well as the main Star Wars comic which is now telling the story just shortly after The Empire Strikes Back.

Aphra comic is decent too, Bounty Hunters on the other hand, I'm still reading it but it's not my fave of the comics.

From all the way back to the early Vader Comics, it's almost comical how many times Sid sends someone to kill Vader... lol... Then he's like... uh, oh yeah, that was a test. Now you passed it, & so I won't have to try & kill you for another couple of weeks... lmao. Talk about a hostile work environment.

You've mentioned Aphra before as being good. I took in her intro as the co-star of the 2016 Darth Vader series & liked her, but for some reason I never pursued her own comic series.

<Lmaoo><45><45><Lmaoo>​

Fooking classic.

Interestingly, those events were right after a New Hope. Maybe I'll rock up & hit Aphra next, which likely overlaps the Empire Strikes back & the new Vader series. They've been writing them for 4 yearz so I've got plenty of them stacked up. Which is nice.

I'm being fooking tortured right now waiting to see what happens in the next Vader comic ep. 10.

Ep. 10 be like:

.

 

[Mcountry]

Hadn't been paying attention to Star Wars since the Pablo Hidalgo stuff. Had a lot of fun catching up today.

This High Republic shitshow is amazing. The Kennedy faction at Lucasfilm took relationship with the fanbase back to what it was right after TLJ was released and fucked up all of the goodwill from Luke's return within a month.

It doesn't matter what good work is done in the Favreau-led projects in the near future. There's a big group of people from the top down in that company who hate old Star Wars and its fanbase.

I can't believe that Disney is not putting their foot down on this shit given how strapped for cash they are.

Have you not been paying attention to Disney's stock these past few months? I have. I've made a small fortune on them.

 

[Mcountry]

Everyone knows about the Iger book so I'm not sure why you're even bringing all that up. Our pov's are not different regarding how Lucas was unhappy once he realized they weren't using his midichlorians/Whills story.

I mean back in 2013 when he left the project as a consultant, everyone knew he wasn't happy with it back then... I didn't need Bob Iger to verify that, so I don't know why you're trying to call me out for a video you think I didn't watch. Per our discussion, Lucas was extremely happy with Disney at the time of sale & he personally hand picked KK to be his replacement. All this stuff from 3 years later is off topic.



We're not talking about things from 3 years later though & what makes you think I didn't watch the video. I certainly didn't need it for the quote you're describing below. We were hashing that shit out for weeks live in the SW's threads when it happened. So it's not like you're bringing new information to the table. What's that, almost a year & a half old now?



You & I were discussing things that happened at sale time.

You said:

I'm pretty sure you made that up.

I showed you an interview of how happy Lucas was at sale time... he called them the best company in the world for the job & was content with the deal.

You kept on in that same post after that quote... to try & make out like Lucas didn't hand pick KK. In your previous post, you were making it out like it was Iger's fault for hiring KK to begin with... & so I showed you in that same interview how Lucas did in fact hand pick KK for the job in fact he went to her... not the other way around. Iger simply took Lucas' company... KK & all.

What is your difficulty just saying "Hey bro... good information... thanks for sharing." You don't have to twist everything I say. I'm not saying I'm right about everything, but I am very proud of how I admit when I'm proven wrong. You're trying to make me be wrong about everything, & I'm just too well studied for that. Are you the only one who's allowed to be right about something? I literally showed you the video proof straight out of Lucas' mouth... & as a response, you changed the subject to prove me wrong about something we weren't even talking about. (& interestingly, something we don't even disagree about)

You also said KK didn't honor the characters Lucas created, & I told you it's Canon that she did & referenced another sherdogger who told you it's true. Even that Fyr Fyter dude told you that it's true, but you're still disputing it in your posts to @moreorless87 & with me. The things you're disputing in that regard are canon though. Just look it up... or I'll show you if you just politely ask.

Are you the same twit who relentlessly defended the last jedi? Curious if after seeing the OVERWHEALMINGLY POSITIVE AND EMOTIONAL FAN REACTION TO LUKE SKYWALKER IN THE MADALORIAN, if you still think that they handled Luke in a way that their audience was wanting?

Know thy audience.

Fans wanted this;

They sure as SHIT didn't want this;

More this;

Less this;

It was so damn obvious...only a bleeding heart sjw would have defended that crap to the bitter end.

 

[MyFavSport]

Is it OK for me to say I like all three Sequel movies because they were fun to watch and admit that in my mind we should have no emotional attachment to these movies or characters because it's just a space fiction film series???

I really enjoy all 11 Star Wars feature films except the fucking Phantom Menace.
That one was just an embarrassing, boring, kiddie movie with absolutely no good characters in that movie.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

Can't wait till Kathleen Kennedy is gone. Everything she touches goes to shit unless she's riding Spielberg or Luca's coattails.

Really though Kennedy working for Lucas and Speilberg was essentially a facilitator wasnt she? they'd make artistic decisions or in Lucas case push certain kinds of technology and she would deal with the accounting/legalities/negotiations/etc.

Again I'm not sure how much you can put decisions like hiring Abrams down to her specifically but I think she represents the same kind of culture as Disney execs who would likely have played a part. Marvel and Pixar both have creatives higher up in the management structure and I suspect they have helped to resist Disney's worst instincts or they'd probably have then making nothing but sequels and spinoffs to Cars or Ironman sequels.

Hiring Abrams was I think really just a safe management decision, they looked at Trek and saw "this guy brought that franchise back to life, he's a safe pick to do the same for us and he can do it fast to start repaying those loans". What they didnt pay attention to was that Abrams style was pissing off the fanbase rapidly and really you get the worst aspects of the sequels introduced very quickly with TFA, both his Micheal Bay like "throw action/humour/nostalgia at peoples faces at 100 MPH" and his disrespect for the franchise. Rey as a Mary Sue like character defined by being better than the existing characters and a tendancy to erase the achievements seen in the franchise plot previously.

TFA being such a massive sucess due to the pent up nostalgia meant they bought even more deeply into the idea Abrams way was the correct way, I suspect had Rogue One not already been deep in production it probably would have been shifted in the same direction. The Luke hallway scene does seem like a bit of a tip of the hat to Vader at the end of that film to me, an acknowledgement its the way the franchise should have gone.

 

[EvilDDS]

It's different going digital, but the convenience is worth it for me.
You're digital too @EvilDDS aren't you? or do you get physical books too?

Surely you can have em mailed to you you yeah?
...if you just like that paper in hand.




From all the way back to the early Vader Comics, it's almost comical how many times Sid sends someone to kill Vader... lol... Then he's like... uh, oh yeah, that was a test. Now you passed it, & so I won't have to try & kill you for another couple of weeks... lmao. Talk about a hostile work environment.

You've mentioned Aphra before as being good. I took in her intro as the co-star of the 2016 Darth Vader series & liked her, but for some reason I never pursued her own comic series.

<Lmaoo><45><45><Lmaoo>​

Fooking classic.

Interestingly, those events were right after a New Hope. Maybe I'll rock up & hit Aphra next, which likely overlaps the Empire Strikes back & the new Vader series. They've been writing them for 4 yearz so I've got plenty of them stacked up. Which is nice.

I'm being fooking tortured right now waiting to see what happens in the next Vader comic ep. 10.

Ep. 10 be like:

.

Yessir I get the comics digitally

I used to love that experience of going into a physical store when I was younger, but now it’s just so much more convenient to read them digitally

 

[Mcountry]

Is it OK for me to say I like all three Sequel movies because they were fun to watch and admit that in my mind we should have no emotional attachment to these movies or characters because it's just a space fiction film series???

I really enjoy all 11 Star Wars feature films except the fucking Phantom Menace.
That one was just an embarrassing, boring, kiddie movie with absolutely no good characters in that movie.

You are allowed to have an opinion. Even one that's wrong.

The sequels are dog shit to a large enough chunk of the star wars fan base that they were bad calls.