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[Myrddin Wild]

Have to disagree here. I feel like nightsister witchcraft is potentially even more powerful than jedi or sith force powers. 1) because it's not widely understood and has been unexplored so far in live action and 2) it's an "alternate game," much like mandalorian armor and tech that can rival force users.

Well said... but atm it's not.

Can they make it more powerful... yes, but it's not even close atm due to lore. I mean, if teh night sisters were as powerful as Sid, they would've handled business during teh only comic to had survived teh canon purge... which showed teh most powerful nightsister going head to head with sid... & failed.

I guess we'll see where they go with her. But she's already been besmirched once by Ahsoka in Mando S2, and that was when she had her OP beskar spear. She's not yet beyond saving but I hope they don't make the mistake they did with Moff Gideon. You can't be soundly defeated and humiliated 3 fucking times before viewers stop taking you seriously as a big bad, the second time being literally bitch slapped and rendered unconscious by random cans.

This is teh same point I'm making. So we seem to be on teh same page.

Note: Being on teh same page as you is not my goal, but it is nice to be able to chat wit someone who knowz wtf.

 

[Fedorgasm]

The Last Jedi destroyed Star Wars

Bullshit. The force awakens destroyed star wars. Abrams just rebooted 80% of that movie from a new hope, and the other 20% was super shitty.

The last Jedi sucked, but the JJ movies were even worse.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Have to disagree here. I feel like nightsister witchcraft is potentially even more powerful than jedi or sith force powers. 1) because it's not widely understood and has been unexplored so far in live action and 2) it's an "alternate game," much like mandalorian armor and tech that can rival force users.

Sid basically told teh entire universe that he'z more powerful than anyone else. He didn't have any individual opposition. Teh entirety of Dathomir bent a knee.

Teh force is in and actually is everything. Write that on your fridge.

Jedi canonnically have more force than teh night sisterz. That's a fact that needs to be recognized moving forward in discussions. I'm enjoying our specualtions on what might be developed... but you need to bend a knee to teh fact that teh nightsisters were so sub quality to Sid, that they bent a knee to him.

"Potentially" is teh key word here. imo... fair enough if teh night sisters rock up to be more than teh jedi without having teh natural capabilitiez to do so.

I love you bro~ You're one of teh trollz from 2016 who has emerged as a valid thinker.

We gotta keep this discussion real.

 

[ChickenBrother]

Despite teh fact that you & I going head to head on pov through teh yearz... (I love you) I've developed an appreciation for your pov & see you as one of a handful... that actually talks real Star Wars.

Thank you for posting your opinion. ...however... we've seen teh 2 go head to head & teh NighSistah'z go down easily. That's not even in debate my brother.

In response to this post:

Teh abilitah... of people penetrating Mandalorian armor is the exception... not teh rool. That one weapon, (nor any other of its origination) would be signifigantly effective against a Jedi... but maybe it's effective against lesser force userz.

Thank You... & much love... my Star Warz "truth seeking" Brother haz displayed, but we've already seen teh nighsistah'z fall & even bow, to high end force users.

It's an outstanding tribute to their culture that they can even be talked about in their capacity compared to Jedi or Sith... but I'm going to need evidence of their superiority before I can get on-board with such a claim.

All bullshit aside... and current continuity verified... the witchez of Dathomir were powerful, but not as powerful as teh Jedi.

Great discussion though...

I'm currious as to whether teh witchez could become more than what they are.

Well said... but atm it's not.

Can they make it more powerful... yes, but it's not even close atm due to lore. I mean, if teh night sisters were as powerful as Sid, they would've handled business teh during teh only comic to had survived teh canon purge... which showed teh most powerful nightsister going head to head with sid... & failed.

Bro, da Nightsistah'z were overpowered AF. Maybe they couldn't quite beat Sidious (most OP villain in pop culture) head to head, but a particularly powerful one in Mother Talzin sure gave him a run for his money. I mean she's technically not even a force user but could use sith lightning, possess others like the exorcist, voodoo the shit out of enemies better than Mola Ram, manipulate matter, space and time and disappear into the crowd in a puff of smoke like fucking Egyptian Magician from Jerky Boys.

Da sistah'z also conquered and turned the entire male population of their planet into simps, directly challenged the power of both the jedi and sith, and did so while living on a shithole planet with the wealth and resources of Sanford & Son's junkyard. And that piece o' shit culture also produced sith MVPs in Ventress and Maul.

From her wiki, these were Mother Talzin's powers:

Powers and abilities
"I am not a natural Force wielder like the Jedi or Sith. I use dark magick to achieve power."
―Mother Talzin[11]

Talzin utilizes a form of Force lightning against Mace Windu.

Mother Talzin was an extremely powerful witch and a master of dark magicks, able to manipulate the spirit ichor that flowed from Dathomir's depths in a variety of ways. Unlike other members of her kind, she claimed to not have a natural connection with the Force;[11] despite this, her powers were in fact derived from the Nightsister's unique connection to the Force, which allowed her to craft a crystal ball to see the future or events across the galaxy.[27] She often led the rest of the Nightsisters through incantations, such as when she transformed Savage Opress,[10] and when she made Asajj Ventress into an official Nightsister, as well as when she was able to disguise Asajj Ventress and two other Nightsisters from Count Dooku's detection, transforming them into ghostly versions of their true forms. She also could put people to sleep with the tap of a finger.[10][29] Talzin was capable of using her powers to torture Count Dooku using a lock of Dooku's own hair even though the Count was on a completely different planet at the time. She was even capable of appearing in more than one place at a time, as shown when a ghostly vision of her appeared from within Dooku's chest, although Talzin's physical body was still on Dathomir.[30] She was also able to contact members of the Frangawl Cult in the form of visions.[11] Talzin was also capable of dematerializing her body, transforming into smoke and vanishing into the spirit world when General Grievous had her cornered,[30][15] as well as materializing and disappearing from wisps of green mist before Savage Opress after he returned to Dathomir. Using her magicks and a portion of her life energy,[34] she was able to repair Maul's damaged mind and build him a fully functional set of new legs formed from salvaged droid parts,[29] and after doing so could still manifest in the physical world by using her son's body as a vessel.[7]


Talzin takes control of Count Dooku's body to attack his Sith Master.

In combat, Mother Talzin was capable of creating a green protection bubble capable of absorbing blaster fire[30] and Force lightning, although it was useless as a barrier against physical attacks.[34] She was able to launch Force lightning[15] at the opponent whilst maintaining the shield at the same time. Unlike other Force lightning users, Talzin's lightning appeared green in color and was fired in concentrated beams that could home in on multiple targets from afar. It was very powerful, able to destroy a B-1 battle droid in one hit.[30] She was able to create a lightsaber-like sword conjured from magick and survive in battle against Mace Windu, one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order, displaying impressive dueling skills.[11] While possessing Dooku, Talzin was able to use Dooku's lightsaber to briefly hold her own against Sidious, though Sidious remarked that Talzin's skills could not be compared to Dooku's. However her magicks proved to be powerful enough, at least while on Dathomir, to challenge Sidious' dark side powers, and it took the intervention of both Dooku and Grievous to overcome her.[34]

Though she was never known to use telekinesis in combat, Talzin was a powerful user of telekinesis, able to lift many types of objects with ease as well as levitate herself. She could also incinerate or form objects with her magic, as she was able to melt the silver orb that contained Count Dooku's lock of hair,[30] as well as create a drinking cup for Dooku when he visited her.[10] She could set things on fire simply by using her magicks, as shown with the large pot that contained Count Dooku's Voodoo doll. Talzin was extremely powerful, both in the force and authority. She asked one of the elder Nightsisters to use a resurrection spell, despite having mastered the ability to resurrect the dead.[30]


Talzin vanishes into the spirit world when cornered.

Talzin's magicks were said to be strongest on Dathomir; her power was such that Darth Sidious himself believed that even an entire droid army would be unable to defeat her there.[35] After sacrificing her life energies to her son[34] she receded into the spirit world,[11] and could be revived with a sacrifice in a temple near the Nightbrother village. Within this temple her spirit was able to emerge from a stone monolith to directly possess Dooku, drain his life energy, and even regain her physical form, though upon receiving a fatal injury she was permanently destroyed.[34]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Talzin#Powers_and_abilities

 

[GSP_37]

Great point... as Ezra could easily be a double agent now... who is using teh guise of Merrik. It could be Ezra in disguise for "end game" reasonz as well though.

That said, it could also be a "nightsisteh'z possession."

Teh Inquisor Merrik waz already established by teh past... as a Jedi Hunter... so Merrick himself is known... but to your point... anyone could be wearing that armor.

Conversely... maybe Merrick made a turn... in his understanding. That's a possibility that Merrik could be himself teh antagonist... recognizing that he needed to switch sidez. We need a lot of real data to decipher this... as he's a new "force user" in teh story.

That said, we gotta understand that we don't know wtf atm.


(topic being debated & continued in the next quote)


There may be plot points we're not privy of yet, that explain it... where Ezra & even Thrawn presenting themselvez as a double agent makes sense if you're going to infiltrate teh resistance. (whatever side you're on)

Double agents bless...

We're debating "Thrawn's alignment" with existing political structure... with this pov.

In every account of his motivation... Thrawn is "ONLY" concerned with how the "power of the galaxy" evolves... & he's trying to do that in the best mannor that is best for his people in teh long run. & teh most beloved of NON-canon novel series sayz that... Thrawn is teh head of making his people safe... at first. Perhaps that includes making himself grand admiral of teh society that he has dissed himself, in order to create a buffer.

Teh "Buffer" is not said in jest. It's literally the "MOTIVATION" that Grand Admiral Thrawn has embarked his whole journey upon.


Snoke's already confirmed as a clone az a Sid clone.

Canon Snoke:
Snoke was an artificial genetic construct created on the planet Exegol by the Dark Lord of the Sith and Galactic Emperor Darth Sidious and his Sith Eternal cult during the reign of the Galactic Empire. After Sidious' resurrection, Snoke's body held no use in the Sith Lord's goal for restoration, so was instead utilized by Sidious for his natural Force-sensitivity as a proxy he could manipulate for his Contingency. Though Snoke possessed an independent mind, he was obliviously influenced by his creator from afar.

You misquoted me in one of those boxes.

 

[Fedorgasm]

Ezra = Snoke

You heard it here first

No way. Filoni ties his shows to any star wars property but he avoids the sequel trilogy like the plague.

Since Disney refuses to de-canonize it, he does the next best thing---he pretends they don't exist.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Bro, da Nightsistah'z were overpowered AF. Maybe they couldn't quite beat Sidious (most OP villain in pop culture) head to head, but a particularly powerful one in Mother Talzin sure gave him a run for his money. I mean she's technically not even a force user but could use sith lightning, possess others like the exorcist, voodoo the shit out of enemies better than Mola Ram, manipulate matter, space and time and disappear into the crowd in a puff of smoke like fucking Egyptian Magician from Jerky Boys.

Talsin was force sensitive, but less than the otherz... but she made up for it by drawing on teh "force sensibilitiez" of Dathomir... which she was a master of... over even the "more force sensitive" of her sistehz. it wasn't enough to qualify her to be Sid's apprentice. She put up a good fight & made herself as formidable as she could, but she was never a prospect for Sid.

It's very impressive how powerful Talsin got. She made up for her lack of teh force with her knowledge & use of teh dark arts. She got on teh "universe stage," & saught to be teh ultimate power in teh universe & even thought to contest Sid with her limited force sensibilities... as a true "Sith minded person" would do.

She didn't have enough raw power for Sid though... for her to even be a realistic prospect for an apprentice. Sid made her his apprentice just so Sid could get his handz on Maul.

Then she waz thrown away dispite teh fact that she had developed her understanding of witchcraft. She just wasn't force sensitive enough.

They all bent a knee to Sid... but Yeah, teh Dathomirian Shaman Talzin... calling upon teh power of her kin... developed a way to be formidable to even Sid himself, who just "eviled" himself into power with his natural given force abilities & a lifetime of spite & malice.

Talzon "gave" her son to Sid... as a way to "buy her way into apprenticeship"... (& also so that he wouldn't destroy them,) but more importantly, that Talzon wanted to be his next Sith apprentice. Obviously, you can't "buy your way into grace." (or even teh opposite of grace, as this case would suggest)

As much as Star Warz fanz bitchez about midi chlorianz... it really does matter.

Maul originally had way less power than his mom had, but had more midichlorians... & so Sid wanted Maul instead of her, & even used her as his apprentice for a while in order to get Maul free & clear in an agreement with the nighsisters. It's a sick deal full of deception... but then again... what are we to expect while making dealz with Sid?

Da sistah'z also conquered and turned the entire male population of their planet into simps, directly challenged the power of both the jedi and sith, and did so while living on a shithole planet with the wealth and resources of Sanford & Son's junkyard. And that piece o' shit culture also produced sith MVPs in Ventress and Maul.

Talsyn waz a rockstar... & took over teh Dathomirian rise that culminated in Maul & his brother. She was so formidable that she got teh attention of Sid himself who dangled appreticeship over her in order to chose her infant son over her as his apprentice.

I mean she's technically not even a force user but could use sith lightning, possess others like the exorcist, voodoo the shit out of enemies better than Mola Ram, manipulate matter, space and time and disappear into the crowd in a puff of smoke like fucking Egyptian Magician from Jerky Boys.

She is a force user... just not as much as a Sid apprentice would require.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Bro, da Nightsistah'z were overpowered AF. Maybe they couldn't quite beat Sidious (most OP villain in pop culture) head to head, but a particularly powerful one in Mother Talzin sure gave him a run for his money. I mean she's technically not even a force user but could use sith lightning, possess others like the exorcist, voodoo the shit out of enemies better than Mola Ram, manipulate matter, space and time and disappear into the crowd in a puff of smoke like fucking Egyptian Magician from Jerky Boys.

Da sistah'z also conquered and turned the entire male population of their planet into simps, directly challenged the power of both the jedi and sith, and did so while living on a shithole planet with the wealth and resources of Sanford & Son's junkyard. And that piece o' shit culture also produced sith MVPs in Ventress and Maul.

From her wiki, these were Mother Talzin's powers:

Powers and abilities
"I am not a natural Force wielder like the Jedi or Sith. I use dark magick to achieve power."
―Mother Talzin[11]

Talzin utilizes a form of Force lightning against Mace Windu.

Mother Talzin was an extremely powerful witch and a master of dark magicks, able to manipulate the spirit ichor that flowed from Dathomir's depths in a variety of ways. Unlike other members of her kind, she claimed to not have a natural connection with the Force;[11] despite this, her powers were in fact derived from the Nightsister's unique connection to the Force, which allowed her to craft a crystal ball to see the future or events across the galaxy.[27] She often led the rest of the Nightsisters through incantations, such as when she transformed Savage Opress,[10] and when she made Asajj Ventress into an official Nightsister, as well as when she was able to disguise Asajj Ventress and two other Nightsisters from Count Dooku's detection, transforming them into ghostly versions of their true forms. She also could put people to sleep with the tap of a finger.[10][29] Talzin was capable of using her powers to torture Count Dooku using a lock of Dooku's own hair even though the Count was on a completely different planet at the time. She was even capable of appearing in more than one place at a time, as shown when a ghostly vision of her appeared from within Dooku's chest, although Talzin's physical body was still on Dathomir.[30] She was also able to contact members of the Frangawl Cult in the form of visions.[11] Talzin was also capable of dematerializing her body, transforming into smoke and vanishing into the spirit world when General Grievous had her cornered,[30][15] as well as materializing and disappearing from wisps of green mist before Savage Opress after he returned to Dathomir. Using her magicks and a portion of her life energy,[34] she was able to repair Maul's damaged mind and build him a fully functional set of new legs formed from salvaged droid parts,[29] and after doing so could still manifest in the physical world by using her son's body as a vessel.[7]


Talzin takes control of Count Dooku's body to attack his Sith Master.

In combat, Mother Talzin was capable of creating a green protection bubble capable of absorbing blaster fire[30] and Force lightning, although it was useless as a barrier against physical attacks.[34] She was able to launch Force lightning[15] at the opponent whilst maintaining the shield at the same time. Unlike other Force lightning users, Talzin's lightning appeared green in color and was fired in concentrated beams that could home in on multiple targets from afar. It was very powerful, able to destroy a B-1 battle droid in one hit.[30] She was able to create a lightsaber-like sword conjured from magick and survive in battle against Mace Windu, one of the most powerful Jedi in the Order, displaying impressive dueling skills.[11] While possessing Dooku, Talzin was able to use Dooku's lightsaber to briefly hold her own against Sidious, though Sidious remarked that Talzin's skills could not be compared to Dooku's. However her magicks proved to be powerful enough, at least while on Dathomir, to challenge Sidious' dark side powers, and it took the intervention of both Dooku and Grievous to overcome her.[34]

Though she was never known to use telekinesis in combat, Talzin was a powerful user of telekinesis, able to lift many types of objects with ease as well as levitate herself. She could also incinerate or form objects with her magic, as she was able to melt the silver orb that contained Count Dooku's lock of hair,[30] as well as create a drinking cup for Dooku when he visited her.[10] She could set things on fire simply by using her magicks, as shown with the large pot that contained Count Dooku's Voodoo doll. Talzin was extremely powerful, both in the force and authority. She asked one of the elder Nightsisters to use a resurrection spell, despite having mastered the ability to resurrect the dead.[30]


Talzin vanishes into the spirit world when cornered.

Talzin's magicks were said to be strongest on Dathomir; her power was such that Darth Sidious himself believed that even an entire droid army would be unable to defeat her there.[35] After sacrificing her life energies to her son[34] she receded into the spirit world,[11] and could be revived with a sacrifice in a temple near the Nightbrother village. Within this temple her spirit was able to emerge from a stone monolith to directly possess Dooku, drain his life energy, and even regain her physical form, though upon receiving a fatal injury she was permanently destroyed.[34]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Talzin#Powers_and_abilities

EVERYONE... is force sensitive. It's just a matter of how much.

Of coarse she drew upon teh power that Dathomir gave to all. She did have a higher midichlorian count than normal people, but less than her sistehz.

It wasn't jedi or Sith amounts... & not even as great az her sistehz... but her ability to connect with Dathomir was greater than any of her sisterz... & great enough to make her their leader.

You misquoted me in one of those boxes.

Obviously, I'd need more detail in order to respond further.

 

[Crawler89]

weve already seen vats with failed clones of snoke, so there goes that stupid idea.

 

[Thrawn33]

You know...now that there's another galaxy to have wacky adventures with....

Thrawn doesn't have to die to allow Palps to be the big bad in the ST Galaxy....

 

[ChickenBrother]

Talsin was force sensitive, more than the otherz... but it was less than desireable to be Sid's apprentice. She put up a good fight & made herself as formidable as she could, but she was never a prospect for Sid.

It's very impressive how powerful Talsin got. She made up for her lack of teh force with her knowledge & use of teh dark arts. She got on teh "universe stage," & saught to be teh ultimate power in teh universe & even thought to contest Sid with her limited force sensibilities... as a true "Sith minded person" would do.

She didn't have enough raw power for Sid though... for her to even be a realistic prospect for an apprentice. Sid made her his apprentice just so Sid could get his handz on Maul.

Then she waz thrown away dispite teh fact that she had developed her understanding of witchcraft. She just wasn't force sensitive enough.

They all bent a knee to Sid... but Yeah, teh Dathomirian Shaman Talzin... calling upon teh power of her kin... developed a way to be formidable to even Sid himself, who just "eviled" himself into power with his natural given force abilities & a lifetime of spite & malice.

Talzon "gave" her son to Sid... as a way to "buy her way into apprenticeship"... (& also so that he wouldn't destroy them,) but more importantly, that Talzon wanted to be his next Sith apprentice. Obviously, you can't "buy your way into grace." (or even teh opposite of grace, as this case would suggest)

As much as Star Warz fanz bitchez about midi chlorianz... it really does matter.

Maul originally had way less power than his mom had, but had more midichlorians... & so Sid wanted Maul instead of her, & even used her as his apprentice for a while in order to get Maul free & clear in an agreement with the nighsisters. It's a sick deal full of deception... but then again... what are we to expect while making dealz with Sid?



Talsyn waz a rockstar... & took over teh Dathomirian rise that culminated in Maul & his brother. She was so formidable that she got teh attention of Sid himself who dangled appreticeship over her in order to chose her infant son over her as his apprentice.


She is a force user... just not as much as a Sid apprentice would require.

EVERYONE... is force sensitive. It's just a matter of how much.

Of coarse she drew upon teh power that Dathomir gave to all... but her higher amount of midichlorianz gave her teh ability to do more with it.

It wasn't jedi or Sith amounts... but she obviously had a higher midichlorian count than teh otherz.

Midichlorians are fake and gay. Maul may have had more (it doesn't matter), but Sid picked him as apprentice because as a male Dathomirian, he was a born simp. To be clear, I'm not saying Talzin could defeat Palps, because she tried and failed so obviously she didn't. But whether she had the highest midichlorian count is like a karate guy arguing that Khabib was a shit fighter because his reverse punches from horse stance were shit.

Talzin made the most of her game and in terms of OP abilities, no one in SW canon comes close other than Sidious. I'm not sure if even Sidious could voodoo people, possess others, conjure dead spirits, heal crippling physical and mental damage, create weapons and objects out of raw energy, block force lightning without a lightsaber, etc. When Sidious defeated Talzin, he had the assistance of both Dooku and Grievous. Single combat on Dathomir, Talzin vs. Palps, I think it's too close to call. But that would never happen because Sid doesn't fight one on one without backup on deck.

What made Sid more OP was his political ruthlessness, big picture thinking and narcissistic paranoia. It would be like the president of the U.S. receiving daily classified intel briefings, knowing everything going on in the world but also being manipulative, telepathic, telekinetic and on the short list of GOAT hand-to-hand combatants in the galaxy. All of that combined is what made Palps the GOAT movie villain.

 

[GSP_37]

Obviously, I'd need more detail in order to respond further.

Post 2352

"So he found a way back..."

 

[GSP_37]

S1E4 deserves more praise than E3 for the fighting.

Spoiler

I knew f'ing Sabine was gonna defy Ahsoka again. Did Ahsoka somehow teleport to that weird alternate dimension with the numerous paths from the Rebels cartoon?

Hasbro just revealed the Marrok action figure and he gets killed in E4.

Sabine's still too much of a novice to say shit like go ahead, I can handle Shin. Could have swore she was more competent with the darksaber in Rebels when Kanan was sparring with her.

 

[GSP_37]

Did Thrawn kill Kanan? I seem to remember some Imperial blowing up something to kill Kanan against orders? My memory is fuzzy.

I think prior to the mission, Kanan foresaw what was gonna happen, so he cut his hair like samurai before fighting time knowing he might not come back. I vaguely remember something like an explosion and he sacrificed himself but probably could have gotten away safely.

 

[GSP_37]

Bullshit. The force awakens destroyed star wars. Abrams just rebooted 80% of that movie from a new hope, and the other 20% was super shitty.

The last Jedi sucked, but the JJ movies were even worse.

Someone there should have spoken out about rebooting A New Hope being really lame.

 

[ChickenBrother]

S1E4 deserves more praise than E3 for the fighting.

Spoiler

I knew f'ing Sabine was gonna defy Ahsoka again. Did Ahsoka somehow teleport to that weird alternate dimension with the numerous paths from the Rebels cartoon?

Hasbro just revealed the Marrok action figure and he gets killed in E4.

Sabine's still too much of a novice to say shit like go ahead, I can handle Shin. Could have swore she was more competent with the darksaber in Rebels when Kanan was sparring with her.

Spoiler

Yeah will be interesting to find out if Ahsoka entered the world between worlds by herself, or if someone (Anakin?) pulled her in to save her.

Kinda sucks that Marrok turned out to be a random can but given that he did, hopefully they just move on and don't bring him back 3 times like they did with Moff Gideon.

Ahsoka leaving Sabine is my one gripe with the episode. WTF. This was 5 minutes after Huyang advised them to stay together and Ahsoka and Sabine agreed with cheesy shit-eating grins. Ahsoka was 20 feet away and it would have been like those Russian team fights where as soon as one guy goes down, the other team gangs up on whoever is left and the fight is over 10 seconds later.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

whether she had the highest midichlorian count is like a karate guy arguing that Khabib was a shit fighter because his reverse punches from horse stance were shit.

Midichlorians are an overall "energy potential" rating. Most people are capped off at say a AA Battery, where teh Jedi would be like a golf cart battery. Yoda, Sid & Anakin had a bigger battery than that. (A generator to power a warehouse for example.) Instead of making analogies like this, we can simply use numbers:

• Non-users = 2
• Talsin = 50
• Other Nightsisters = 500
  
• Maul = 1,000
  
• Sid = 5,000

I just pulled those figures out of my ass just now to serve as the example, so don't hold me to the numerical differencez. I'm just saying that the Midichlorian count is a method of measurement that puts numbers on force sensitivity thus making it easier to discuss.

Midichlorians are fake and gay

I've never had the problem I see others have with midichlorians. Whatever teh name is though doesn't matter, we can discuss it in terms of "higher & lower force sensitivity" if that works better for you.

Talzin had more force than typical people who are oblivious to it... while having less force sensitivity than even the other night sisters... & obviously less than Maul & Maul less than Sid. That's all I was saying.

Sid picked him as apprentice because as a male Dathomirian, he was a born simp.

Sid picked Maul at 14 years old because of his struggle with anger.... & obviously his sensitivity to teh force was high (midichlorian count n stuff)

Sid visited Talzin's home many times while teh pre-teen Maul would hide in his bedroom from teh ominous guest. Talsin wanted to be Sid's apprentice... & Sid strung her along insisting that she would never be his apprentice unless she givez him her 14 year old son. EEK!!! ...then he never made her his apprentice anywayz... lol Sith gonna sith.

Talzin made the most of her game and in terms of OP abilities, no one in SW canon comes close other than Sidious. I'm not sure if even Sidious could voodoo people, possess others, conjure dead spirits, heal crippling physical and mental damage, create weapons and objects out of raw energy, block force lightning without a lightsaber, etc. When Sidious defeated Talzin, he had the assistance of both Dooku and Grievous. Single combat on Dathomir, Talzin vs. Palps, I think it's too close to call. But that would never happen because Sid doesn't fight one on one without backup on deck.

She definitely did make teh most of her inherent ability & attachment to Dathomir.

Her power in teh force may not had been as high, but she knew how to channel & direct teh "Ichor" (Green mist energy of Dathomir) through her... better than any of them. The higher end stuff Talsin did, could only be achieved on Dathomir... or if she had a mobile container to travel with, that she could draw upon for power. (In her fight with Windu... she lost the fight when her portable power container broke.)

Those with more force sensitivities could do their mystical stuff anywhere... & without a physical "power container."

Conversely, Talzin... while on Dathomir... could project teh green mist power (Ichor) to manipulate people on other planets, but teh power was not as strong as compared to if teh person were on Dathomir.

What made Sid more OP was his political ruthlessness, big picture thinking and narcissistic paranoia. It would be like the president of the U.S. receiving daily classified intel briefings, knowing everything going on in the world but also being manipulative, telepathic, telekinetic and on the short list of GOAT hand-to-hand combatants in the galaxy. All of that combined is what made Palps the GOAT movie villain.

For sure Sid's political & strategic forward thinking would've brought him to power with or without his higher force sensitivity.

That said... what better tool to negotiate politics... than to be able to read someone'z mind~ To manipulate someone's mind~ and also to become the separatists leader through brute showing of force as Sidious thus being able to orchestrate teh war in teh prequelz by being teh leader of both politics & brute force. He used all his abilities to make that happen. It wasn't all politics.

This discussion remindz me of teh new Ahsoka with Sabine being a capable warrior, but hasn't yet tapped into her force sensitivity. She'll never be as capable as Ahsoka, but she can train to become more capable than she currently is... & maybe that givez her an edge over others who don't do such thingz.

By contrast Talzin was extremely powerful while on Dathomir, but needed Sid to awaken her force sensibilities so that she could better operate in any location.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

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"So he found a way back from the other galaxy with Thrawn, just to become Marrok? Come on"

It can make sense that Ezra has a deeper meaning for being under-cover. Teh hologram Sabine watched of Ezra in teh Ahsoka series has Ezra telling Sabine to try & understand what he's doing. (though he didn't explain what he's doing.)

Merrick was a known inquisitor though... but it still could be Ezra if he disposed of Marrik & is now using his armor...


It's just a discussion of possibilities. I still need to watch Ep. 4.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

think prior to the mission, Kanan foresaw what was gonna happen, so he cut his hair like samurai before fighting time knowing he might not come back. I vaguely remember something like an explosion and he sacrificed himself but probably could have gotten away safely.

The explosion was going to disintegrate teh Ghost & teh entire crew, and he held off teh flames with his "firebending" ability long enough for them to escape... but could not escape himself.

There was no way for him to survive without killing teh hole ghost crew.

Extra Crispy Jedi steaks~ with a side of fava beanz

 

[Fedorgasm]

Someone there should have spoken out about rebooting A New Hope being really lame.

Yeah. Especially since the movie was billed as a sequel, not a reboot.

But it's a total cop-out to just say "hey remember all that cool shit that happened 30 years ago? Well it's happening again!"

Ryan Johnson might have failed hard, but at least he attempted to make a new movie out of it. Abrams didn't even try in the force awakens, and then when he did try to make something new with rise of Skywalker, he failed even harder than Johnson did.