Crime Stand your ground? No

[Belaya Smert]

That’s not a legitimate threshold based on you can’t say you were in grave bodily harm if you can’t identify the target. Manslaughter charges def seem applicable.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

The lady wasnt just standing outside. She was actively trying to get inside the home.

Okay .. was she trying to break in?

The OP seems to try to make this a George Floyd situation and only telling details, possibly I'm embellishing them, to maximize outrage.
Not only against the 'murderer,' but also against stand-your-ground laws.

The fact the cops didn't even arrest the person speaks volumes.

 

[DragRacer]

Nevermind, I found another article

House cleaner shot and killed after she showed up at wrong address in Indiana

The Whitestown Metropolitan Police Department said an investigation into the shooting is underway.

www.cbsnews.com

The guy did shoot through the closed door, what a jackass loser.

I recant everything I said in my initial post. I’ve never used gofundme before but I think I’m gonna sign up just to help this family out.

How is the mistake on the "intruders"? The person shot them through a closed and locked door. Your assumption the person maybe have gone inside is wrong if you read even a little bit.

 

[shinkyoku]

It's not really clear in that article is she was shot on the porch or if she somehow managed to gain entry into the house when she was shot. Yes, there are people who would shoot just based on race, some people even wait for someone suspicious ringing their bell to break in to shoot them, but if she actually entered the home there might not be any charges possible in this case.
We don't know what the guy was thinking but if there was a 911 call before the shooting he must have been worried they were breaking in.

If he shot her on the porch then I think he should be charged for killing her. Like the old guy that shot a boy through his window, the lady that shot a mother through a door, and the guy that shot a girl through her windshield because she drove onto his driveway were charged. I do remember a guy in Texas getting away with killing his girlfriend's ex-husband on his porch, since the curtilage is considered part of the home, but in that case there was a struggle for his weapon.

there are other articles on the subject. She was shot through the door while on the porch. she had not gone inside or even opened the door. she had keys (wrong keys) in hand but not had time to try them.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

The lady wasnt just standing outside. She was actively trying to get inside the home.

By that do you mean she was trying to use the keys to the house she should have visited? That's a big difference than someone trying to actually break the door down.

 

[lsa]

Every professional military and law enforcement agency in the world teaches it's recruits the same thing:

Never point a weapon at someone you are not prepared to shoot.

Never shoot anyone you are not prepared to kill.

"Warning shots" are for amateurs and Hollywood.

Can you back that up with sources?


This is from the Swedish police website
"If possible, less serious forms of violence should be used and if firearms need to be used, the person who may be exposed to the violence should be warned if possible. This can be done by firing a warning shot or by shouting, for example.

Although the use of firearms can cause serious injuries or death, the aim is to cause as little damage as possible, including by aiming shots at the legs where possible."

Warnings shots are used both by police and military.
You can google that shit.

 

[oldshadow]

No information so in this case we no nothing.

However some basic facts are this is castle doctrine or stand your ground depending on how the state laws are written.

I dont know the laws in every state but I know here you can't shoot someone if they jiggle your front door handle or knock on your front door. It gets very situational after that.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

She had keys in her hand trying to get into wrong the house? The article made it sound like she was using keys to get into a house, but if you have keys to a house that you're supposed to clean, it would seem to me you don't mistake the house you're trying to get into. It's very unclearly written and missing details that would help with context.

If you don't realize you're at the wrong house isn't it logical for her to try to use the keys to open the door?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

That or this cleaning lady was supposed to go to an AirBNB/VRBO short term rental where they're cleaning between visitors

Fuck, you just made me paranoid.

In early September I went to Pensacola and our AirBnB was in this small apartment complex thing with the correct address not properly marked on the door. We tried the combination on the keypad for minutes until trying another door nearby which turned out to be the correct one.

The scary thing is that neighboring apartments had permanent residents living there. What if these crazy fucks saw a couple of people at their door punching numbers in their keypad trying to get in and just blasted our asses from the other side?

People and their crime paranoia are a menace.

(In before some retard says "deeerp, so actual crime isn't a menace??")

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Why was she trying go get inside a house shes never been to before instead of ringing the doorbell or calling the owner?

It seems she was given the keys to let herself in based on what I read.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

How is the mistake on the "intruders"? The person shot them through a closed and locked door. Your assumption the person maybe have gone inside is wrong if you read even a little bit.

When I read it I thought it was a bit ambiguous. That they reported the police found her on the porch led me to believe he shot through the door but more details would be nice.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

Yes except this isn't cabin or hotel, this was a home so im just trying to understand how they had keys to a home or why they were at the wrong place with keys to another place. Seems like the cleaning service already had keys to another home so just surprised that they were at the wrong place if they already had keys to a home. If they had keys then im assuming for now that this service has been to the correct address before.

Yeah but it only matters if it was this lady's first time there even if her company already had the keys.

 

[MMA IAN]

Tried to search and see if this was posted, couldn't find it, soooo...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...g-wrong-house-said-tore-everything-rcna242624

If it was a Sydney Sweeny looking white woman that was randomly killed, the feds and Trump himself would be there.

Meh one of your shitty scared under trained 'I should never be a cop' cops killed a blonde haired blue eyed australian woman for daring to report a rape and he did less than 3 years in prison, i dont think it matter what they look like

Literally anyone you don't like, any random person coming up to your door your your car window, just blast him, scared for your life.

Literally what happened in the above so you're not wrong about that part

 

[ChrisBenoit]

So little details on the case and TS is already ready to make it a race thing.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Can you back that up with sources?


This is from the Swedish police website
"If possible, less serious forms of violence should be used and if firearms need to be used, the person who may be exposed to the violence should be warned if possible. This can be done by firing a warning shot or by shouting, for example.

Although the use of firearms can cause serious injuries or death, the aim is to cause as little damage as possible, including by aiming shots at the legs where possible."

Warnings shots are used both by police and military.
You can google that shit.

Not in the British police or military. You are trained to shoot centre mass, because that's the biggest and easiest target to hit. Head shots are for specialised situations, i.e. suicide bombers. And you never aim for the enemies limbs.

Any British soldier or copper who fired a, "warning shot" would, at the very least, get his arse kicked by his immediate superiors.

Also, anyone who thinks shooting a person in the legs is a low-risk option should not be allowed within a hundred yards of any firearm. Ever seen a man bleed out from a severed femoral? I have, and it's not a pretty sight.

For the record, I think this was a bad shoot. He should have announced his presence and given the woman a chance to explain herself. He wasn't in any immediate danger, so had no justification for opening fire.

 

[shinkyoku]

Can you back that up with sources?


This is from the Swedish police website
"If possible, less serious forms of violence should be used and if firearms need to be used, the person who may be exposed to the violence should be warned if possible. This can be done by firing a warning shot or by shouting, for example.

Although the use of firearms can cause serious injuries or death, the aim is to cause as little damage as possible, including by aiming shots at the legs where possible."

Warnings shots are used both by police and military.
You can google that shit.

About a decade or so ago there was a case of a swedish cop who accidentally killed his attacker with the ricochet from his warning-shot.
Back in ancient times when I served in the army, we were most certainly taught to warn verbally, then warning-shot, then fire for effect.

 

[Cherry Brigand]

I just meant some type of warning. Yeah, a shot is probably not a good idea but trying to communicate before executing them. And no I do not believe cops should aim at legs, not sure your point on that

Because the idea of a warning shot is as dumb as shooting perps in the legs.

 

[Stoic1]

Sounds like a tragedy and real injustice. But I don't have all the details.




In the meantime I think I'll ignore the 300,000 - 2,000,000 lawful self defense firearm uses by citizens every year in America during my emotional response to tragedy and injustice.

 

[lowlife]

I can't imagine she was trying to kick or shoulder the door down when she had keys. Outside of something like that why in the fuck do you start shooting through a closed door!? I've drunkenly tried the wrong door before when I was young and drunk, I guess I should feel fortunate I wasn't killed ffs.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Tried to search and see if this was posted, couldn't find it, soooo...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...g-wrong-house-said-tore-everything-rcna242624

A cleaning woman, who accidentally went to the wrong house, was shot dead by the home owner. The murderer didn't say anything, didn't try to announce his presence or try to stop her or ask what was going on, just pulled a Frank Reynolds and started blasting.

Not only is the murder not in prison, they aren't even arrested, and their name hasn't even been released. It's hard to not feel like because this woman spoke broken English and is Hispanic that no one cares, especially with all the ICE bullshit going on lately. If it was a Sydney Sweeny looking white woman that was randomly killed, the feds and Trump himself would be there.

The cops have said the murderer isn't a cop or former cop or anyone worth protecting their identity over, but it's bizarre as fuck that this dude just killed someone, and nothing is happening.

There's been mostly sane opinions, but still a lot of 2A people that act like this guy did nothing wrong and was justified in murdering someone for going to the wrong house. Imagine being so mentally fucked, and such a scared little bitch, that you see a woman with cleaning supplies and her husband and your first thought is, "OMG IT'S A SETUP THEY'RE GOING TO KILL ME I NEED TO KILL THEM FIRST." Insane mental delusions, or just convenient excuses.

These are people who should never own guns and why there's a gun problem in the first place. These people are either mentally ill, insanely paranoid, or hateful racists, all owning guns and looking for any reason to kill someone and then try claiming self defense and that they were scared for their livelihood. Going by their logic, you can murder anyone you deem a "threat", and that's as broad of strokes as you can use. Literally anyone you don't like, any random person coming up to your door your your car window, just blast him, scared for your life.

Hard to imagine blindly shooting through a door passes as self defense. I would like to know more about the shooter, but doubt it would change anything.

RIP