Crime Stand your ground? No

[cincymma79]

This has nothing to do with stand your ground

This is trigger happy twat who should be charged for shooting through concealment while being under nothing a reasonable person would assume is a threat

If the person had gone inside the wrong house then it'd be a horrible misunderstanding tragedy, but a person outside your door isn't a threat unless they're actively kicking said door off it's hinges.

how do you know they weren’t banfing on the door after being told to leave

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Maybe Indiana is different than all the other states, but “stand your ground” isn’t as much of the situation here as it is “castle doctrine”.

That article is disastrously biased. The reader has to get through paragraph after paragraph of irrelevant bleeding heart talks about the woman’s family and their feelings to figure out that they fucked up and evidently barged into someone’s occupied home.

It’s a tragedy for sure, but the mistake was all on the intruders , not the homeowner.

The case is only <48 hours old. If it turns out the cleaners were only standing at the door fumbling with keys, the homeowner is likely in trouble. If they went in, he’s 100% clear.

The bullet hole is through the door

 

[DragRacer]

Yeah I saw that and responded a few pages ago.
How stupid to shoot someone through a closed door.

The bullet hole is through the door

 

[lsa]

Not in the British police or military. You are trained to shoot centre mass, because that's the biggest and easiest target to hit. Head shots are for specialised situations, i.e. suicide bombers. And you never aim for the enemies limbs.

Any British soldier or copper who fired a, "warning shot" would, at the very least, get his arse kicked by his immediate superiors.

Also, anyone who thinks shooting a person in the legs is a low-risk option should not be allowed within a hundred yards of any firearm. Ever seen a man bleed out from a severed femoral? I have, and it's not a pretty sight.

For the record, I think this was a bad shoot. He should have announced his presence and given the woman a chance to explain herself. He wasn't in any immediate danger, so had no justification for opening fire.

My issue was with this claim "Every professional military and law enforcement agency in the world ".
Which is wrong.

 

[pinger]

I think there needs to be done protection for you in your home domicile.

But the current US law almost encourages a " he who draws first wins" type scenario

 

[fingercuffs]

I think there needs to be done protection for you in your home domicile.

But the current US law almost encourages a " he who draws first wins" type scenario

I absolutely agree protecting your home and whomever resides there.
Have you seen The Perfect Neighbour? I know I bore everyone to tears with documentaries but this was a good one subject matter wise.

 

[ShadowRun]

So little details on the case and TS is already ready to make it a race thing.

Shocker

 

[KnightTemplar]

My issue was with this claim "Every professional military and law enforcement agency in the world ".
Which is wrong.

My issue was with you using the Swedish police as an example. They are hardly the gold standard for law enforcement.

 

[usernamee]

My issue was with you using the Swedish police as an example. They are hardly the gold standard for law enforcement.

Reminded me of the case where three Swedish cops gunned down a mentally challenged guy with a toy gun

Believe they fired off 30 rounds or so with only three hitting the the target and two of them being in his back

Cops were acquitted and allowed to continue working afterwards

 

[llperez22]

Because the idea of a warning shot is as dumb as shooting perps in the legs.

While i agree in this case since the person with the gun is inside a home and you wouldn’t want to put holes in your house. But I have seen plenty of videos where warning shots outside are the correct call. A police officer is only going to shoot someone if they deem them an immediate threat that needs to be neutralized. At that point there is no point in aiming for legs, you aim to stop the threat period. A warning shot could be the right call in a situation where there is no immediate threat and you are unsure of what the intentions of the other person are. I wouldn’t compare those two things.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Reminded me of the case where three Swedish cops gunned down a mentally challenged guy with a toy gun

Believe they fired off 30 rounds or so with only three hitting the the target and two of them being in his back

Cops were acquitted and allowed to continue working afterwards

Sweden police are utterly ineffective when it comes to dealing with organised crime. At one point, the violence between drug gangs - which included the regular use of grenades - became so extreme the Swedish government was seriously considering declaring martial law and putting the army on the streets.

 

[usernamee]

But to remain on topic the shooter had just watched too much McGoator

 

[Jesus X]

I support stand your ground laws… but this case isn’t applicable. This guy deserves prison time

However, I could post plenty of cases where someone was actually trying to force entry and the home owner was able to defend themselves before they were able to get inside

Also, why is it that the anti-cop crowd are always the ones who also oppose these laws?





Telling people to just let home invaders inside to do their thing and hope they don’t hurt you is insanity

The home invader mindset is actually to hurt the witnesses the saying is "no face, no case" at least here in CA a home invader has been conditioned to eliminate witnesses. I would never put my life in the hands of a criminal. Criminals are very impulsive too they will kill you and not think of the consequences or have remorse especially someone brazen enough to do a home invasion.

 

[mozfonky]

Tried to search and see if this was posted, couldn't find it, soooo...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...g-wrong-house-said-tore-everything-rcna242624

A cleaning woman, who accidentally went to the wrong house, was shot dead by the home owner. The murderer didn't say anything, didn't try to announce his presence or try to stop her or ask what was going on, just pulled a Frank Reynolds and started blasting.

Not only is the murder not in prison, they aren't even arrested, and their name hasn't even been released. It's hard to not feel like because this woman spoke broken English and is Hispanic that no one cares, especially with all the ICE bullshit going on lately. If it was a Sydney Sweeny looking white woman that was randomly killed, the feds and Trump himself would be there.

The cops have said the murderer isn't a cop or former cop or anyone worth protecting their identity over, but it's bizarre as fuck that this dude just killed someone, and nothing is happening.

There's been mostly sane opinions, but still a lot of 2A people that act like this guy did nothing wrong and was justified in murdering someone for going to the wrong house. Imagine being so mentally fucked, and such a scared little bitch, that you see a woman with cleaning supplies and her husband and your first thought is, "OMG IT'S A SETUP THEY'RE GOING TO KILL ME I NEED TO KILL THEM FIRST." Insane mental delusions, or just convenient excuses.

These are people who should never own guns and why there's a gun problem in the first place. These people are either mentally ill, insanely paranoid, or hateful racists, all owning guns and looking for any reason to kill someone and then try claiming self defense and that they were scared for their livelihood. Going by their logic, you can murder anyone you deem a "threat", and that's as broad of strokes as you can use. Literally anyone you don't like, any random person coming up to your door your your car window, just blast him, scared for your life.

If what I read is true, he'll be at least charged with something I think.

We had a case a couple years ago during the height of BLM, road rage. Was a young Latino vs. an old white guy. Young shot and killed old when old got out of his car and walked towards him. Cops came, let the man go and victims community raised he'll until young man was arrested. Never heard the outcome but point is they don't always lock people up right away, especially in an era when some cops stopped trying because of the George Floyd episode.

 

[ssBaldy]

Shooting through the closed locked door is extreme and should be punished. I support the castle doctrine, but imagine how bloody will Halloween get if we extend the doctrine this far? I don't think the cleaning lady posed any danger whatsoever.

 

[Poon Goon]

A warning shot could be the right call in a situation where there is no immediate threat and you are unsure of what the intentions of the other person are.

If you don't feel there is an immediate threat then why do you have your gun pulled to begin with? Also, if there's no immediate threat and you start firing off rounds, the person you're "warning" has reason to believe you are the threat. You just escalated a non threatening situation into a potential shoot out where you admitted there was no immediate threat.

Maybe if you're unsure of the other person's intentions you just ask them what they are doing. Let them know you're armed and then respond accordingly.

 

[Scerpi]

The duality of a Sherdogger. Being nonchalant over a woman being murdered while also getting absolutely irate over a police being "assaulted" with a ham sandwich

No one is being nonchalant about a woman being murdered... nice low IQ troll attempt

lol

 

[AWilder]

Why was she trying go get inside a house shes never been to before instead of ringing the doorbell or calling the owner?

no idea what the neighborhood looked like but when i lived in a townhouse i went to the wrong house a couple of times. pretty easy mistake when the homes all look the same

 

[mozfonky]

Shooting through the closed locked doorbis extreme and should be punished. I support the castle doctrine, but imagine how bloody will Halloween get if we extend the doctrine this far? I don't think the cleaning lady posed any danger whatsoever.

there was a similar case some 20 or so years ago, asian student was looking for a house and really couldn't speak that well, homeowner shot him.

Listen, that's just our country, I do delivery and I often see these nutty signs and warnings with gun logos and shit and I just wonder why, if they feel that strong about it, why do they call strangers to their place? I see it concentrated in the rural areas where people are, for whatever reason, way more xenophobic and paranoid than city people. There have been some delivery driver shootings but not as many as you might think given the nature of the job. And.., people are stupid, they'll order food drunk off their ass and unable to give you directions in the pitch dark and it's super easy to wander into the wrong yard in that situation.

We've had several murders of rideshare and delivery drivers but one was a robbery, another was a pedestrian shooting a driver who he felt was driving badly and another was a russian guy shot in a parking lot and no info given about that one because the shooter escaped. Most of these were in the city though, not rural.

 

[ssBaldy]

there was a similar case some 20 or so years ago, asian student was looking for a house and really couldn't speak that well, homeowner shot him.

Listen, that's just our country, I do delivery and I often see these nutty signs and warnings with gun logos and shit and I just wonder why, if they feel that strong about it, why do they call strangers to their place? I see it concentrated in the rural areas where people are, for whatever reason, way more xenophobic and paranoid than city people. There have been some delivery driver shootings but not as many as you might think given the nature of the job. And.., people are stupid, they'll order food drunk off their ass and unable to give you directions in the pitch dark and it's super easy to wander into the wrong yard in that situation.

We've had several murders of rideshare and delivery drivers but one was a robbery, another was a pedestrian shooting a driver who he felt was driving badly and another was a russian guy shot in a parking lot and no info given about that one because the shooter escaped. Most of these were in the city though, not rural.

That's sad. One thing is finding someone inside your home or apartment, but shooting people knocking at your door? That is so over the top.