Crime Stand your ground? No

DragRacer said:
It’s a tragedy for sure, but the mistake was all on the intruders , not the homeowner.

The case is only <48 hours old. If it turns out the cleaners were only standing at the door fumbling with keys, the homeowner is likely in trouble. If they went in, he’s 100% clear.
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How is the mistake on the "intruders"? The person shot them through a closed and locked door. Your assumption the person maybe have gone inside is wrong if you read even a little bit.
 
Was just reading about an incident where a homeowner shot 1 of the 3 armed robbers that broke into his garage and he's facing time, so these incidents can be absurd in both directions.

You should be able to defend your home, but obviously that doesn't apply with some unarmed house cleaning lady. There has to be standards.
 
llperez22 said:
Lots of cleaning companies send cleaners to your house while you are gone and you never meet them. That’s how ours works.
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Always be wary of anyone who seems to desire and defend legal means of getting away with killing people who clearly werent doing anything nefarious.

Cultures of fear and paranoia never lead anywhere constructive.
 
There are a whole lot of premature conclusions being drawn here.

Did he just blindly fire because he heard someone at the door and wasn't expecting company? I'm pretty sure that is illegal, but I am still not sure exactly how this happened.

Stand your ground is irrelevant, and I am not sure what her immigrant status has to do with it (unless this is an angry, crazed anti-immigration guy that killed her BECAUSE she was an immigrant, but not seeing evidence of that).
 
Cool Hand Luke said:
She had keys in her hand trying to get into wrong the house? The article made it sound like she was using keys to get into a house, but if you have keys to a house that you're supposed to clean, it would seem to me you don't mistake the house you're trying to get into. It's very unclearly written and missing details that would help with context.
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I haven't read the article at all, but my wife is a independent cabin cleaner. Cabins owned by the same owner/ company, have the same exact code to get into. Cabins are literally stacked on top of each other in our area. Plenty of times ive walked into the "wrong" cabin from GPS not giving me EXACT location, and the cabins being owned by the same people.
 
b34stmode said:
I haven't read the article at all, but my wife is a independent cabin cleaner. Cabins owned by the same owner/ company, have the same exact code to get into. Cabins are literally stacked on top of each other in our area. Plenty of times ive walked into the "wrong" cabin from GPS not giving me EXACT location, and the cabins being owned by the same people.
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I'm sure there is protocol but this appears to be a home. In any case, hope more information comes out about it.
 
joy2day said:
There are a whole lot of premature conclusions being drawn here.

Did he just blindly fire because he heard someone at the door and wasn't expecting company? I'm pretty sure that is illegal, but I am still not sure exactly how this happened.

Stand your ground is irrelevant, and I am not sure what her immigrant status has to do with it (unless this is an angry, crazed anti-immigration guy that killed her BECAUSE she was an immigrant, but not seeing evidence of that).
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Going off of this. I would say its pretty straight forward. if he didn't announce himself at all and to stop, he is guilty. What is he guilty of? Whatever laws applicable. You can't just start firing at a perceived threat without announcing yourself.
 
HockeyBjj said:
That or this cleaning lady was supposed to go to an AirBNB/VRBO short term rental where they're cleaning between visitors
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Yep, and people show up early all the time, thinking they "deserve" to be in the cabin before actual check in, not knowing someone is still inside cleaning. Imagine if these morons started shooting cleaners because they "perceived" them as a threat without announcing themselves.
 
Cool Hand Luke said:
She had keys in her hand trying to get into wrong the house? The article made it sound like she was using keys to get into a house, but if you have keys to a house that you're supposed to clean, it would seem to me you don't mistake the house you're trying to get into. It's very unclearly written and missing details that would help with context.
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Keys in her hand would fit pretty well with her standing at a door she was supposed to unlock in order to go in and clean the other side.
It just happened to be the wrong door and therefore the wrong key. She might even have tried it and found that it was not the right key.
The guy at the other side shot her through the closed door with no warning.
 
shinkyoku said:
Keys in her hand would fit pretty well with her standing at a door she was supposed to unlock in order to go in and clean the other side.
It just happened to be the wrong door and therefore the wrong key. She might even have tried it and found that it was not the right key.
The guy at the other side shot her through the closed door with no warning.
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Yes except this isn't cabin or hotel, this was a home so im just trying to understand how they had keys to a home or why they were at the wrong place with keys to another place. Seems like the cleaning service already had keys to another home so just surprised that they were at the wrong place if they already had keys to a home. If they had keys then im assuming for now that this service has been to the correct address before.
 
Cool Hand Luke said:
Yes except this isn't cabin or hotel, this was a home so im just trying to understand how they had keys to a home or why they were at the wrong place with keys to another place. Seems like the cleaning service already had keys to another home so just surprised that they were at the wrong place if they already had keys to a home. If they had keys then im assuming for now that this service has been to the correct address before.
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She had keys to the home because she's supposed to be there cleaning while the owner isn't present. As someone mentioned, it may have been an Air BnB or a vacation home or some other type of property that is not a primary residence.

It may have also been her first time at the property. Delivery people often deliver my packages to my next door neighbor because the mailboxes in my neighborhood are positioned in a way that kind of makes it ambiguous. I could definitely see a contractor or cleaning service person going to my neighbors house by mistake.
 
Cool Hand Luke said:
She had keys in her hand trying to get into wrong the house? The article made it sound like she was using keys to get into a house, but if you have keys to a house that you're supposed to clean, it would seem to me you don't mistake the house you're trying to get into. It's very unclearly written and missing details that would help with context.
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Reports states that she had not yet had time to try the keys.
 
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William Huggins said:
Warning shot??? Where are you going to be directing a warning shot?? Unless you're outside in the middle of a field with clear line of sight and nobody else is around apart from you and the other person it's really not a good idea..... And even then they can see you're pointing a gun at them, so that's a stupid argument in itself......
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Every professional military and law enforcement agency in the world teaches it's recruits the same thing:

Never point a weapon at someone you are not prepared to shoot.

Never shoot anyone you are not prepared to kill.

"Warning shots" are for amateurs and Hollywood. :rolleyes:
 
Where’d you see anything detailing the door being open or closed?


HockeyBjj said:
How is the mistake on the "intruders"? The person shot them through a closed and locked door. Your assumption the person maybe have gone inside is wrong if you read even a little bit.
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italiamusica said:
Tried to search and see if this was posted, couldn't find it, soooo...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...g-wrong-house-said-tore-everything-rcna242624

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A cleaning woman, who accidentally went to the wrong house, was shot dead by the home owner. The murderer didn't say anything, didn't try to announce his presence or try to stop her or ask what was going on, just pulled a Frank Reynolds and started blasting.

Not only is the murder not in prison, they aren't even arrested, and their name hasn't even been released. It's hard to not feel like because this woman spoke broken English and is Hispanic that no one cares, especially with all the ICE bullshit going on lately. If it was a Sydney Sweeny looking white woman that was randomly killed, the feds and Trump himself would be there.

The cops have said the murderer isn't a cop or former cop or anyone worth protecting their identity over, but it's bizarre as fuck that this dude just killed someone, and nothing is happening.

There's been mostly sane opinions, but still a lot of 2A people that act like this guy did nothing wrong and was justified in murdering someone for going to the wrong house. Imagine being so mentally fucked, and such a scared little bitch, that you see a woman with cleaning supplies and her husband and your first thought is, "OMG IT'S A SETUP THEY'RE GOING TO KILL ME I NEED TO KILL THEM FIRST." Insane mental delusions, or just convenient excuses.

These are people who should never own guns and why there's a gun problem in the first place. These people are either mentally ill, insanely paranoid, or hateful racists, all owning guns and looking for any reason to kill someone and then try claiming self defense and that they were scared for their livelihood. Going by their logic, you can murder anyone you deem a "threat", and that's as broad of strokes as you can use. Literally anyone you don't like, any random person coming up to your door your your car window, just blast him, scared for your life.
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It's not really clear in that article if she was shot on the porch or if she somehow managed to gain entry into the house when she was shot. Yes, there are people who would shoot just based on race, some people even wait for someone suspicious ringing their bell to break in to shoot them, but if she actually entered the home there might not be any charges possible in this case. We don't know what the guy was thinking but if there was a 911 call before the shooting he must have been worried they were breaking in.

If he shot her on the porch then I think he should be charged for killing her. Like the old guy that shot a boy through his window, the lady that shot a mother through a door, and the guy that shot a girl through her windshield because she drove onto his driveway were charged. I do remember a guy in Texas getting away with killing his girlfriend's ex-husband on his porch, since the curtilage is considered part of the home, but in that case there was a struggle for his weapon.
 
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nixkid said:
She had keys to the home because she's supposed to be there cleaning while the owner isn't present. As someone mentioned, it may have been an Air BnB or a vacation home or some other type of property that is not a primary residence.
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or moving in cleaning, moving out cleaning. There are many reasons for a cleaning firm to enter a house with key on their own.
 
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