Stallone- "Tomy Morrison hit the hardest"

This thread is going nowhere. This is all just speculation over something that will never be able to be proven via quantitative method. You're arguing over subtle differences. They all hit harder than hell, just how much more than each other we'll never know. Also, there are different types of power, some punchers get their power from speed and explosiveness, others from pure strength and some from their strength and mass. In the end of the day, the only sure thing is that those boys could crack.
 
sushijin said:
Morrison doesn't belong there. He never KO'd even one guy with a chin, as mentioned previously... The rest are good picks tho. Tyson was not a cumulative effect guy, though. By saying that, you are indicating that it takes rounds for him to get a guy out of there. Like in the case of an Alexis Arguello. We both know Tyson had the ability to take a guy out in the very early going.... What you are saying is that he gets guys out of there with combinations, as opposed to one punch. I agree if that's your point.
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Alexis could get guys out with one punch. He fought some tough mother fuckers though and they didn't drop easy for anyone. Watch him against Royal Kobayashi or Kevin Rooney.

Tyson was not a one punch KO artist. Yes he did score one punch knockouts over Trevor Berbick and Bruce Seldon(if you really want to count that one) but he was a combination puncher, where as Morrison was a one punch guy, so we agree there.

Morrsion has KO'd at least one fighter with a chin. I guess you haven't heard of Joe Hipp, who Morrison actually KO'd with one punch, while both of his hands were broken.
 
Little Mac probably thinks Tyson hit the hardest, too. He also reccomends joining the Nintendo Fun Club today.

Sure, Joe Walcott has valuable opinions on boxing, but his evaluation of how hard Mike Tyson punches isn't one of them. Joe Walcott thinks a 215 lbs. jacked up Mike Tyson would have fared well in the 1940s? REALLY?

He thinks Mike Tyson would do okay for himself against the likes of 184 lbs., 12-22-2 fighter Joe Lipps? Or maybe the dangerous 175 lbs. heavyweight Tiger Red Lewis with a record of 9-5-1? Ezzard Charles and Rocky Marciano were both 185 lbs. "heavyweight" champions. Yeah, Tyson would have been okay against them, just like he was against Spinks, who was out of his weight class.

I've never been hit by either man, but I'm willing to bet that professional boxers would agree that Earnie Shavers hit harder than Tyson.

Other guys I'd put on that list ahead of Tyson? George Foreman. David Tua. I'd say Joe Frazier hit AS hard as Tyson.

You want an honest opinion on Mike Tyson's punching power? Larry Holmes, who actually FOUGHT both Tyson and Shavers, had this to say:

"Tyson's punch is a Corvette. Shavers' is a Mack truck."

Case closed.
 
What? Someone argued that Tyson hit harder than Shavers? You have to be fucking kidding me...

Larry Holmes said Shavers hit harder than Tyson.

Ali said Shavers hit harder than Foreman and Frazier.

Shaver's right hand is a recking ball. Hardest hitter in heavyweight history. Period.
 
Morrison doesn't belong there. He never KO'd even one guy with a chin, as mentioned previously... The rest are good picks tho. Tyson was not a cumulative effect guy, though. By saying that, you are indicating that it takes rounds for him to get a guy out of there. Like in the case of an Alexis Arguello. We both know Tyson had the ability to take a guy out in the very early going.... What you are saying is that he gets guys out of there with combinations, as opposed to one punch. I agree if that's your point.
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Ruddock had a chin. Like I said earlier he was thought to be a next heir-apparent because at the time he went the distance with Tyson he was the only man who had yet done so, and he was improving himself to a degree after the fight with Tyson. Page and Jackson weren't cans, and aside from that he only lost to Lennox. Keep in-mind also that Page was the only man walking around for a while who could lay claim to knocking Tyson on his ass. Unfortunately he had a bad problem with conditioning, as did most of the 90's crop.
 
lugubriousduck said:
Ali said Shavers hit harder than Foreman
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As did Ken Norton, Ron Lyle, Jimmy Young, and even journeymen like Leroy Caldwell, who all fought both Shavers & Foreman and all thought Shavers hit them harder, and if judging by their quotes, it wasnt only by a little bit either.
 
Necrocide said:
You're arguing with a guy that thinks there's ever been a heavyweight that could have beaten Ali every single time they fought.
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Norton went three-for-three, in my opinion, although the second one was certainly razor close.
 
Sharkey said:
Norton went three-for-three, in my opinion, although the second one was certainly razor close.
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I had it 6-5-1 in the way of Ali. Of course any round I thought was close enough to be even I gave to Ali to avoid biasedly scoring it for Norton, or rather against Ali.
 
BrooklynBomber said:
I had it 6-5-1 in the way of Ali. Of course any round I thought was close enough to be even I gave to Ali to avoid biasedly scoring it for Norton, or rather against Ali.
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I had it the same score for Norton, and from my memory of scoring it a couple months ago, I think there was only three rounds in the fight that I thought were swing rounds, with me giving them one each and having one scored even.

Really close fight, though.
 
Whoever said it was right - Shavers was the hardest puncher. And he got in the game late, something like late teens or early 20's! Imagine if he would have had more time to develop his technique.
 
King Kabuki said:
Ruddock had a chin.
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And Morrison didn't KO him. I'm talking KO. Lights the fuck out. Ruddock got up after a nasty knockdown and the stoppage was somewhat questionable. Morrison never KO'd a guy with a chin, like the way Tommy Hearns did Duran.

Brooklyn, you are throwing Indian Joe Hipp out there??? Ummm, tough guy.... But pretty much a poor man's George Chuvalo. If that's the best you got, then we don't have to go any further with this.
 
BrooklynBomber said:
Alexis could get guys out with one punch. He fought some tough mother fuckers though and they didn't drop easy for anyone. Watch him against Royal Kobayashi or Kevin Rooney.
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Alexis could get average guys out with a punch, but against the best, he wore them down. You know it as well as I do, brah.
 
Native PRIDE WAR !! JOE HIPP!!!!!!
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You're Native? I thought you were Hispanic.

And Morrison didn't KO him. I'm talking KO. Lights the fuck out. Ruddock got up after a nasty knockdown and the stoppage was somewhat questionable. Morrison never KO'd a guy with a chin, like the way Tommy Hearns did Duran.
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I think that's the best anyone could REALLY do against Ruddock who didn't tower over him with size. But anywho, here's a point I think should be mentioned.

Tyson IMO as a KO puncher is very similar to Zab Judah as a puncher at Welterweight. His speed KO'd as many people as his power did. Especially as often as Tyson was off-angle when throwing and landed punches before anyone could blink. Like Zab's KO over Spinks in their second fight, and how he hurt Cotto. It wasn't so much his power as it was the combination of speed AND power. Whereas Tommy's not a blazing fast puncher. He just hits like a wrecking ball, but doesn't have the blistering speed, which helped opponents not get caught so much and even be able to counter him whereas Tyson was un-counterable.

P.S. - I was off about Ruddock. Tony Tucker and Bonecrusher were the first two to go the full 12 rounds against Mike. But it just goes to show how much Ruddock stood out in the ability to take Mike's onslaught.
 
King Kabuki said:
You're Native? I thought you were Hispanic.
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More hispanic than anything, but my father is half native Native American (steilacoom tribe up in washington) and my grandmother tries to keep my family involved with politics and heritage. Truthfully, I haven't visited our land in about 7 years LOL, still get cut a small check though :D
 
King Kabuki said:
Whereas Tommy's not a blazing fast puncher. He just hits like a wrecking ball, but doesn't have the blistering speed, which helped opponents not get caught so much and even be able to counter him whereas Tyson was un-counterable.

P.S. - I was off about Ruddock. Tony Tucker and Bonecrusher were the first two to go the full 12 rounds against Mike. But it just goes to show how much Ruddock stood out in the ability to take Mike's onslaught.
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Two points of contention to be made: 1. Morrison had great speed in his left hook. Very quick delivery.... It wasn't a Foreman or Shavers thudding shot.
2. Ruddock was splattered before Lewis just two fights before fighting Morrison. I cant give you credit on this one, as much as it pains me. Joe Hipp and Razor Ruddock were the best answers that were brought up to illustrate Morrison's one punch power. Sorry, it's not doing much for me at this time. Maybe I'll get drunk later on and it will register or something. Stranger things have happened.
 
You'd hold getting KO'd by Lewis against Ruddock?

You're making good enough arguments, which reminds me, good to see you posting regularly again.
 
Didn't George Foreman say the hardest punch he ever felt was a left hook from Tommy Morrison?
 
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