Stallone- "Tomy Morrison hit the hardest"

[Ancient Warrior]

How much stock do you put in winning a toughman championship? I know it had its buzz in the 80's, but most of the guys there are the armchair qb equivalent of boxing. Three, minute long rounds, fighting at most three times in one night. I think Weathers probably would have done ok in there.

I don't put a lot of stock in it, i'm just assuming it's more than Weathers had done.

Weathers was an excellent athlete though. I believe he actually played pro football at one point.

 

[Necrocide]

I'm sure if what Stallone is saying makes sense.

Since all of the fighters were required to pull thier punches, how can he judge who really hit the hardest? We all know it's Morrison, based on real fights, but I don't see how he has enough real experience, since he never took any of thier shots full power.

As for Morrision/Ruddock and Tyson/Ruddock, I think Razor was in two different places in his career when he met those guys.

I also find it hard to believe that Tommy Morrison hit harder than Carl Weathers and Mr. T, if that's what you're saying.

 

[BrooklynBomber]

I don't put a lot of stock in it, i'm just assuming it's more than Weathers had done.

Weathers was an excellent athlete though. I believe he actually played pro football at one point.

Backup linebacker for the Raiders in the late 60's early 70's, which basically meant you were good enough to start on any other team at that time.

 

[Ancient Warrior]

I also find it hard to believe that Tommy Morrison hit harder than Carl Weathers and Mr. T, if that's what you're saying.

From my second paragraph:

We all know it's Morrison, based on real fights,

 

[Prestige Crane]

What I don't get is morrison saying he wanted to make the jump to mma and then after the fight complaining that they allowed the guy to clinch with him and throw him up against the cage and he didn't know what was going on etc. Didn't really make sense to me

but besides that, and more to the point, do you guys think morrison would really have to worry about breaking his hands/killing someone? seems like there are a lot of hard punchers in mma and they generally do okay

 

[BrooklynBomber]

What I don't get is morrison saying he wanted to make the jump to mma and then after the fight complaining that they allowed the guy to clinch with him and throw him up against the cage and he didn't know what was going on etc. Didn't really make sense to me

but besides that, and more to the point, do you guys think morrison would really have to worry about breaking his hands/killing someone? seems like there are a lot of hard punchers in mma and they generally do okay

Of course he has to worry about killing someone in a fight. He has AIDS for chrissakes.

 

[lugubriousduck]

Some people here just cannot stand the fact that there are boxers that punch harder than Tyson in his era. However, Tyson had the most complete arsenal in his prime and every single one of his weapons can do damage and KO you.

 

[Fat Abbot]

Was Tyson better than Tommy? Absolutely. Better head movement, better combination punching, MUCH better chin. But thats what enabled Mike to get guys earlier than Tommy did. Against a guy who could punch like Carl Williams, Morrison had trouble getting to him, but on the occasions he did he put him down, then finally put him out.

Tommy in 1996 was just as shot as Razor, believe me. Tyson KO'd better opponents for sure, but it was the attributes like his defensive abilities, ability to take a punch, and his combination fluidity that allowed him to get those KOs.

Tommy pretty much had nothing but his punching power, and it was definitely superior to Tyson's. Tyson KOing guys more impressively? I guess you've never seen Tommy fight. The people he KO'd were more impressive than Morrison's opposition, but in spectacle Tommy produced the more eye catching KOs, most off the time off of one punch.

holmes, Spinks, Williams, Berbick, Frazier, Bruno, Tubbs, Botha all more impressive than anything Tommy did and more brutal.

Morrison was the same fighter in 95 when he fought Ruddock, that he always was and the ref saved him from Ruddock knocking him out, Razor could recover on a dime.

I agree that there are hw's out there with more single punch power than Tyson, but Morrison definitely not one of them.

Though there's no real way to prove this anyway.

 

[BrooklynBomber]

Your bias is frightening. Tommy Morrison won fights solely on power. I also love how you've said the ref saved Morrison from Rudduck, yet haven't said a word about what a shitty stoppage Tyson-Rudduck 1 was, so much so that they had a rematch over it.

 

[Fat Abbot]

I did mention it: Tyson fought Ruddock in his prime and stopped him in the 1st fight, a premature stoppage definitely, but Razor was badly hurt and there was plenty of time left in the round for Mike to finish him. A stoppage was definitely inevitable."

i'll also add that Tyson was dominating Ruddock easily up to that point and had dropped his man twice.

Ruddock was beating Morrison up to the stoppage however and had him down or hurt on several occasions.

As for Morrison, don't get carried away, the guy had *some* boxing skills and pretty quick hands for a hw, he showed it in beating George and kicking Mercers ass before Ray hit him back. Power wasn't all he had, though it was definitely the key attribute.

As for bias, sorry, but I don't see the bias in saying that Tyson was a bigger puncher than Morrison. He probably was and most of the public would probably agree with me.

I don't know if Mike was the hardest punching HW of all time, I've never been hit by them. But from what I've seen he has to be up there.

 

[BrooklynBomber]

I did mention it: Tyson fought Ruddock in his prime and stopped him in the 1st fight, a premature stoppage definitely, but Razor was badly hurt and there was plenty of time left in the round for Mike to finish him. A stoppage was definitely inevitable."

i'll also add that Tyson was dominating Ruddock easily up to that point and had dropped his man twice.

Ruddock was beating Morrison up to the stoppage however and had him down or hurt on several occasions.

As for Morrison, don't get carried away, the guy had *some* boxing skills and pretty quick hands for a hw, he showed it in beating George and kicking Mercers ass before Ray hit him back. Power wasn't all he had, though it was definitely the key attribute.

As for bias, sorry, but I don't see the bias in saying that Tyson was a bigger puncher than Morrison. He probably was and most of the public would probably agree with me.

I don't know if Mike was the hardest punching HW of all time, I've never been hit by them. But from what I've seen he has to be up there.

I know no intelligent boxing fans who would say Tyson was a bigger puncher than Tommy Morrison. You're kidding yourself with that one.

 

[sushijin]

Tommy pretty much had nothing but his punching power, and it was definitely superior to Tyson's.

I'm not sure I can agree with this. Since we will never be the recipient of their best shots, it's impossible to say. Sure, Morrison maybe had some more dramatic one punch knockouts.... Against his aunt, buddy Willy, and the neighbor down the street. That obviously can't count. What I do know is this: Morrison had one punch... The left hook. That's the only shot he really had that generated anything close to what Tyson presented. And it might have been harder than anything Tyson brought to the table. However, overall, Tyson had not only the other skills you mentioned to attain victory, he also had BY FAR the better offensive arsenal. His right hand was formidable, as was his uppercuts and body work earlier in his career. Morrison never really impressed me that much outside of the Ruddock fight. He showed real grit there. But in some other contests, he looked hardly the big puncher. Against the 43 year old George Foreman, he never made any impression that he was a puncher. In fact, he ran for much of the fight. In the end, I think it's pretty dumb to say that so and so hit harder than another guy without a doubt. That can never be known for sure. What I do know, though, is that George Foreman and Earnie Shavers hit harder than both of them. That would be the better thread. Comparing Morrison to Tyson seems like blasphemy to me... One guy was THE MAN and knocked out some of the better competition in his era, and the other guy never really secured a meaningful KO over a live body.

 

[Mojorisin99]

Stallone must have been really hit hard from wind by those fake punches.

 

[bilbob]

I actually think they both hit about the same power-tyson had more arsenal but both had serious k o power-if morrison had tysons skill he could of k o'd people even easier!

 

[Satyricus]

Tommy probably hit harder than Tyson, but there sure are guys who hit harder like Tua, Baer and Shavers.

 

[Necrocide]

I know no intelligent boxing fans who would say Tyson was a bigger puncher than Tommy Morrison. You're kidding yourself with that one.

You're arguing with a guy that thinks there's ever been a heavyweight that could have beaten Ali every single time they fought.

 

[Sinister]

In the end, I think it's pretty dumb to say that so and so hit harder than another guy without a doubt. That can never be known for sure. What I do know, though, is that George Foreman and Earnie Shavers hit harder than both of them. That would be the better thread. Comparing Morrison to Tyson seems like blasphemy to me... One guy was THE MAN and knocked out some of the better competition in his era, and the other guy never really secured a meaningful KO over a live body.

Eh, it seems to me you're taking exception just of Morrison being mentioned in the same sentence as Tyson. But somewhere in your argument you lose focus as to the context of the sentence itself which is one thing and one thing ONLY, KO power. Tommy did have more KO power in his left hand than Tyson did in any other punch, and that's fair to say. As fair to say that Tommy Hearns had more KO power in his right hand than pretty much every other guy he's ever been in the ring with, including those who beat him because they were better fighters.

 

[Fat Abbot]

I know no intelligent boxing fans who would say Tyson was a bigger puncher than Tommy Morrison. You're kidding yourself with that one.

Wrong, most intelligent boxing fans would pick Tyson over Morrison in power, by a landslide.

If we could do a poll on this site, we both know I'd be proven right.

 

[Fat Abbot]

Tommy probably hit harder than Tyson, but there sure are guys who hit harder like Tua, Baer and Shavers.

Baers power was overated for killing ghuys in the ring. Look at his notable KO victories over Schmelling and Carnera, he beat those guys up round after round to eventually stop them, nothing close to an early KO, just big accumulation. He also hit Braddock with several good shots and couldn't get him out of there and in the Louis fight, Joe just walked right through every big right hand Baer hit him with and Joe was not exactly hard a guy to put down.

Baer could punch, but his power was overrated, definitely did not hit as hard as hard as Tyson.

The top 6 hardest punchers of all time would have to include:
Ruddock
Shavers
Tyson
Foreman
Louis

In no particular order.

 

[GlassJaw]

Baers power was overated for killing ghuys in the ring. Look at his notable KO victories over Schmelling and Carnera, he beat those guys up round after round to eventually stop them, nothing close to an early KO, just big accumulation. He also hit Braddock with several good shots and couldn't get him out of there and in the Louis fight, Joe just walked right through every big right hand Baer hit him with and Joe was not exactly hard a guy to put down.

Baer could punch, but his power was overrated, definitely did not hit as hard as hard as Tyson.

The top 6 hardest punchers of all time would have to include:
Ruddock
Shavers
Tyson
Foreman
Louis

In no particular order.

Take out Rudduck and Tyson, and toss in Tua and Lennox.