Stallone- "Tomy Morrison hit the hardest"

Tyson was a combination hitter. He had one punch knockout power but he finished his man with fluries. Morrison was a plodding one punch KO artist.
 
Fat Abbot said:
If we could do a poll on this site, we both know I'd be proven right.
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LOL , in this forum you could post,

"Tyson vs a silverback Gorilla in heat" and all you would hear is , "Mike's too powerful for the Gorilla, his combinations are too crisp for those looping windmill punches the gorilla would throw" about 95% of the time.
 
Necrocide said:
You're arguing with a guy that thinks there's ever been a heavyweight that could have beaten Ali every single time they fought.
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Point well taken.

Fat Abbot said:
No, Lewis and Tua don't deserve to be there.
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So now David Tua doesn't hit harder than Mike Tyson either? Thank you for proving my point.
 
And that point would be.....what know?

That you're in the minority who think that that Tua and Morrison hit harder thanm Mikwe Tyson, who's considered by many the hardest hitting hw in history?
 
Tyson was not the hardest hitting HW in History. Most Boxing minds consider Tyson's single-punch power vastly overstated.
 
Some do, some don't.

ali said on the arsenio Hall show with Tyson and Leonard as the other 2 quests that Mike was the hardest hitter he'd ever seen. Mike was humble as always (back then anyway) said, cummon man you fought harder hitters like Foreman and Shavers and they couldn't bother you. Paraphrased "Ali said no if you hit me you'd knock me out, your power is different."


Jose Torres on seeing the Mike still as a kid working in the gym:
“When I saw Mike hit the heavy bag, move to one side, punch again, and move to the other side, I realized how extraordinarily difficult it would be to withstand this kid’s sledgehammer punches. I shook my head in disbelief.” [Fire, 53]


Eddie Richardson, after being knocked out by Tyson, was asked if he’s ever been hit as hard as Mike hit him:
“Yeah, about a year ago. I was hit by a truck.” [Heller, 126]

And there is Sterling Benjamin, the Jamaican who sagged under a furious body attack after 58 seconds of Round 1: 'He has a sledgehammer, man!'

Sammy Scaff, the 250-pound Kentuckian who buckled under a barrage of Tyson punches, finally succumbing to a left hook after 1:19 of the first:
'I sparred with Greg Page, and I went four rounds, with Tim Witherspoon,' said Scaff, whose nose was still bleeding half an hour after the fight, 'but I've never been hit that hard in my life.'

William Hosea after being knocked out in the first round by Tyson: 'He fights you like you stole something from him'

Buster Mathis Jr. after his bout with Mike Tyson.:
'Mike Tyson dropped me. and when I looked up, the count was on five. I said to myself, Damn, whatever happened to one to four.'

Frank Bruno:
"I'd rather fight Lennox once every week than fight Tyson once every year."

Michael Spinks:
"Boxing is the best job in the world to let off steam, and people are in trouble when Tyson wants to let off steam" [Heller, 327]

Someone asked one of Mike’s sparring partners if he’s ever really tried to open up on Mike and get the best of him in the ring:
“I’m no fool. I’m paid to survive, not to commit suicide.” [Heller, 126]

Sparring partner Corey "T-Rex" Sanders:
"I've never been in the ring with someone who hit that hard. It feels like he has bricks in both hands." [TT, 585]

Angelo Dundee after the Tyson-Berbick fight:
“He throws combinations I never saw before. I was stunned. Nothing is supposed to bother me. I’ve worked with Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard, but I’m seeing [from Tyson] a three-punch combination second to none. When have you seen a guy throw a right hand to the kidney, come up the middle with an uppercut, then throw a left hook?” [Heller, 155]

Freddie Roach about Tyson:
"Early in his career, he was unbeatable. He feared no one and was always in great shape. Great speed and a great puncher."

Manny Steward about Tyson:
"What was so amazing about him was he was such a small guy in an era of tall fighters... just like Marciano was. Mike was 220 but he was fighting guys 240-250."

Miguel Diaz:
"Tyson was so great until D'Amato and (Jimmy) Jacobs passed away. He was a great, great champ. The speed on his punches... not the speed of how the threw them, I'm talking about the 'speed' in which the brain tells the muscle to 'throw' - was unbelievable."

Jersey Joe Walcott about Tyson:
"I think he is a great fighter and a great champion. He would have done well in any given time. I'm sure he would've done well in my time when all the great fighters of the 40s were around." [Heller, 345]

Trainer Ray Arcel about Tyson:
"He could have fit in at any time in the heavyweight ranks. He could punchhard enough to have beaten anybody if he could hit them. The guy's a natural fighter." [Heller, 345]

Eddie Futch about Tyson:
"I think he has the potential to be the greatest of all, because he has two things going for him: terrific hand speed and the power, combined. He can lose 11 2/3 rounds of a fight and then take you out with one shot" [Heller, 345]

Jose Torres , NY Boxing commisioner:
'Mike Tyson is so fast and so powerful that it is almost impossible to resist the guy's punching power. Wherever he hits you, you're going to feel it. He reminds me maybe of George Foreman, but Tyson's much faster than Foreman. He reminds me in style of Rocky Marciano, but he's much faster than Marciano, and he's much bigger, 217 pounds. And he's faster and much more powerful than Joe Frazier, with a better hook. I really have no one to compare him with in terms of punching power.'

Stacey Mckinly about Tyson:
'He sees a guy beggin' in the street and he gives him a hundred dollars. I'll say, 'Man, y'know the guy's just gonna spend it on crack!' But he says, 'I leave it to Allah to judge him.'

Commentator after live watching Mike Tyson fight Mike Jameson: 'He throws flurries and punches like a welterweight. Very seldom do you see heavyweights throw combinations of 5, 6 punches. But Mike Tyson does it'.




I'm sure we can find plenty of quotes saying he was a bum that their kid sister could take, but these guys are pretty credible.
 
Fat Abbot said:
I'm sure we can find plenty of quotes saying he was a bum that their kid sister could take, but these guys are pretty credible.
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Yeah a bunch of tomato cans he fought, Jose Torres who is Mike's biggest fan, Michael Spinks who only fought three other heavyweights, and an Ali suffering from pugilistic syndrome. Yeah. That really qualifies Tyson as the hardest hitting heavy ever.

Tua, Morrison, Baer, Shavers, Foreman, Louis, Lewis all had more power than Mike Tyson. Tyson was a cummulative effect guy, where as the others only needed one shot to turn your lights out.
 
Eddie Futch
Stacey Mkinley
jose Torres
M Spinks undefeaated before Tyson LH, HW and Olyumpic champion of the world
Ray Arcel
Angelo Dundee
Frank Bruno: former hw champion of the world who's been in with many great punchers like McCall, Lewis, Smith, Coetzee, Witherspoon.
Joe Walott, HW champ of the world
Manny Stewart
Miguel Diaz

And several pro's who'd been in the ring with some of the best fighters of their day.

As for Ali, he has parkinsons, which only affects motor control, not his mind.

You're right, these ppl are abunch of know nothings, there words mean nothing compared to the opinions of random sherdog posters. What was I ever thinking?
 
Tommy had a huge punch, if I remember right, his best punch was a left hook. He had one of the hardest punches in boxing. He'd probably have to be in top-50 all-time hardest hitters, maybe even top-25.
 
Fat Abbot said:
And that point would be.....what know?

That you're in the minority who think that that Tua and Morrison hit harder thanm Mikwe Tyson, who's considered by many the hardest hitting hw in history?
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My 10 year old brother thinks Mike Tyson's the hardest hitting fighter of all time as well, but I just pat him on his head, and give um another cookie.
 
I think Morrison's left hook is a bit harder, but Tyson's was more effective at his peak.
 
oh, effective punching surely goes to Tyson..... Actually, that's a thread in and of itself. Catching people off balance and capitolizing on a hurt opponent is what Tyson did best.
 
Funny quote from tarver "stallone likes to think he's a boxer so during some of those scenes he really started going at me, so I had to put him in his place. But the old man can take a punch."
 
Stallone was like 65 years old when Morrison was hitting him. What did he know? A stiff breeze probably bruised the guy...
 
King Kabuki said:
Eh, it seems to me you're taking exception just of Morrison being mentioned in the same sentence as Tyson. But somewhere in your argument you lose focus as to the context of the sentence itself which is one thing and one thing ONLY, KO power. Tommy did have more KO power in his left hand than Tyson did in any other punch, and that's fair to say. As fair to say that Tommy Hearns had more KO power in his right hand than pretty much every other guy he's ever been in the ring with, including those who beat him because they were better fighters.
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I did say that Morrison might have had more power in his hook then any Tyson punch, but it's impossible to say, really. What great chin did Morrison knock out with the punch? When a guy is touted as a KO puncher, I look at not only the quality of the fighters he's fought, but also the quality of their chins. Hearns was a monster in terms of power, and bringing him up here to prove your point doesn't work. I'll tell you why. He took guys who had good to great chins and turned them to mush. Take the case of Roberto Duran, who never was KO'd before or after he fought Hearns, and that was in a 120+ career! Give me one fight where Morrison KO'd a guy in devastating fashion who had a good to great chin. I'll bve waiting on that. He had great power, sure, but I do take exception to him being mentioned in the same sentence as Tyson. Morrison was an unproven commodity. Tua, on the other hand, would have ripped Tyson's head off.... He was definitely the harder puncher. Fat Albert has that one wrong.
 
BrooklynBomber said:
Tua, Morrison, Baer, Shavers, Foreman, Louis, Lewis all had more power than Mike Tyson. Tyson was a cummulative effect guy, where as the others only needed one shot to turn your lights out.
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Morrison doesn't belong there. He never KO'd even one guy with a chin, as mentioned previously... The rest are good picks tho. Tyson was not a cumulative effect guy, though. By saying that, you are indicating that it takes rounds for him to get a guy out of there. Like in the case of an Alexis Arguello. We both know Tyson had the ability to take a guy out in the very early going.... What you are saying is that he gets guys out of there with combinations, as opposed to one punch. I agree if that's your point.
 
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