St. Louis minimum wage will drop from $10 to $7.70

[Big Nasty Edison]

Why wouldnt they be? Theyre working. What other class would they be in? You could call them the ¨working poor¨ but thats still a sub-set of the working class.

Conservatives are weird. Shit on poor people on welfare cuz they don't work. Shit on poor people because they do work.

Basically no matter what conservatives will find a way to be anti poor people.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

I remember when posters on here got all rustled when I said there were Murkans who want to bring slavery back and then zhit like this happens.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Raising minimum wage means you will not get 40 hours a week, this isn't hard to understand.

What if you bring back slavery? How many hours a week can workers get then?

 

[Limbo Pete]

I tell ya what will make this country great again: paying low wage earners even less for their shitty jobs.

 

[Bargey]

again, $7 is not what a working class worker would make. Is what an illiterate, uneducated laborer makes for doing very menial jobs.

And it's not enough imo. Doing the real menial jobs doesn't mean it isn't real work. I might be conservative but that doesn't mean I don't value social justice and restricting these wages to such a level is simply unjust imo

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

My neighbor who's a carpenter is 'working class' . The illegals who hang out at Home Depot are laborers with no skills whatsoever.

How do you work at the homeless depot? You just show up and they pay you to move stuff around or what?

 

[Bargey]

Yeah but if you're poor you don't deserve to live anyway. That's what the WR taught me.

Yeah ok I think all people deserve to live in dignity and have a chance to get ahead in life even if they have limited skills. They obviously have to be far more disciplined and focused if working on what I would consider to be a fair minimum wage.

For 7-8 bucks an hour you ain't getting ahead no matter how disciplined you are, you're falling behind with no prospect of upward mobility even for your kids.

This is the type of environment that creates more despair, drug addiction, gambling, welfare proliferation and crime.

A healthier minimum wage is a more positive thing for all but I've spent most of my years living in other developed countries so I probably have a different perspective.

 

[original doom]

Minimum Wage was never suppose to be a living wage. You are not suppose to be able to support a family of 4 working at Carl Jrs. and Government inventions for the sake of compassion will only make things worse.

Yet in australia maccas does pay minimum wage. I think you americans have been conned.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I tell ya what will make this country great again: paying low wage earners even less for their shitty jobs.

It's not as though there was a French revolution.
These fuckers don't know what kind of games they're playing with American lives, but that's just because they get top of the line free health care and fat wallet paychecks.

 

[Cooz]

SMH

Get a sales job, earn as much as you put in.

Hey lets give all lazy fucks free money, as long as its not from your wallet right ?

liberal are real giving with other peoples money.

let me guess, your hero is this guy.

IBM just let go 4000+ sales and marketing employees. terrible advice!

 

[Offended]

IBM just let go 4000+ sales and marketing employees. terrible advice!

Theya re around still lol

Housing, auto and Luxury. Those sales aren't going anywhere.

 

[dontsnitch]

I find it disturbing how many people employ ad homs in this conversation. This thread is littered with posts claiming that if anyone disagrees with a minimum wage hike, it must necessarily mean they hate the lower class, as if there is only one way to look at this.

You guys gotta cut that crap out for your own benefit. The dreaded "other side" is not filled with monsters, and that goes for all sides.

 

[Cirris]

Seattles minimum wage laws costs low skilled over 120$ a month due to less openings and less hours.

you have to tackle the cost of living on the other side of the asset liability scale.

focus on lowering rent prices and people wont need to complain about 7$hr

how you lower rent in a fair and balanced way is not going to be easy though.

Seattle 15$ proponents were all giddy about how Seattle's economy didn't collapse when the law passed.

But they're idiots when it comes to free market capitalism with regulatory hurdles. Labor is just one aspect to how business decisions are made. Even if labor costs spike, i doesn't mean a business will simply up and move. Most Business have invested in lease agreements, infrastructure, equipment in their current facilities. It would be stupid to abandon all that for short term relief.

The real detriment to over regulating labor in a given area will happen over time. Businesses will slowly shift their resources and capital to other suburban sites. retail/restaurant business will shed employees wherever they can. The market will adjust.

Local politicians must understand. Regulations of these type must be done on a national level. Doing them locally just creates a regional comparative disadvantage that businesses will make adjustments to mitigate labor costs.

 

[uncommon]

Local politicians must understand. Regulations of these type must be done on a national level. Doing them locally just creates a regional comparative disadvantage that businesses will make adjustments to mitigate labor costs.

automation, outsourcing, or overhead cutbacks are still options on a national level.


rural areas have been getting hammered by wage laws for decades.

people have to commute 40+ minutes in rural areas to compete, and that means more gas money spent

OR

they move in town into an increasingly competitive RENTAL market. which drives up the cost of rent. and then politicians give food stamps which landlords use as an excuse to drive up rent further.

fact: there are no simple "solutions" in planning economies.

its like playing with fire

 

[PainIsLIfe]

So let me get this straight, you joined a union and the best you could do was Minimum wage???? You got fucking jobbed.

After dues he makes less than min.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

There are no union members making minimum wage. They're concerned because they negotiate their wages off the area's prevailing non-union wages

My union doesn't. We get 3-5% raises every year regardless of what the rest of the area is doing.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I find it disturbing how many people employ ad homs in this conversation. This thread is littered with posts claiming that if anyone disagrees with a minimum wage hike, it must necessarily mean they hate the lower class, as if there is only one way to look at this.

You guys gotta cut that crap out for your own benefit. The dreaded "other side" is not filled with monsters, and that goes for all sides.

Er, the worst comment along those lines was this:

These guys don't care about actual results and they don't care about the poor at all.

Inga's argument is the exact opposite. If you *don't* support policy that has the (at least first-order) effect of further impoverishing the poor, you "don't care about the poor at all."

 

[Gandhi]

I find it disturbing how many people employ ad homs in this conversation. This thread is littered with posts claiming that if anyone disagrees with a minimum wage hike, it must necessarily mean they hate the lower class, as if there is only one way to look at this.

You guys gotta cut that crap out for your own benefit. The dreaded "other side" is not filled with monsters, and that goes for all sides.

True but the bigger offense is the posters trying to carve out the working poor from the definition of the working class in some bizarro BS MAGA attempt to merge pro working class sentiment with typical republican pull yourself up by your bootstraps eat the poor BS.

Anyone making THAT particular argument seems to hate the poor whether they are working or not (not saying that's you or everyone on that side of the argument of course).

 

[dontsnitch]

True but the bigger offense is the posters trying to carve out the working poor from the definition of the working class is some bizarro BS MAGA attempt to merge pro working class sentiment with typical republican pull yourself up by your bootstraps eat the poor BS.

Anyone making THAT particular argument seems to hate the poor whether they are working or not (not saying that's you or everyone on that side of the argument of course).

Heh, yeah that's fair, but generally speaking, those who oppose minimum wage hikes are not doing so because they are evil.

This attitude is not exclusive to this particular conversation, and I personally think it does a lot of harm. You end up dehumanizing the other side to the point that you risk associating any other perspective but your own as being morally bankrupt.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Inga's argument is the exact opposite. If you *don't* support policy that has the (at least first-order) effect of further impoverishing the poor, you "don't care about the poor at all."

Not at all, any simpleton could see my argument was nothing of the sort.

I argued that lowering the minimum wage would likely have mixed results but was an interesting experiment, as raising the minimum had mixed results and was an interesting experiment.

When it comes to caring for the poor, I never said that if one doesn't support this policy they do not care for the poor. I can see why you would misread this, because you are exactly the kind of unnuanced partisan who thinks of the poor as tokens to be exploited to argue in favor of this or that policy with little regard to how these policies actually affect people.

To me, those who care for the poor are those who take their own time and money and spend it on the poor, either individually, or in larger settings like a homeless shelter.