The .308 Win is in no way, shape, or form underpowered. That cartridge can kill any animal in North America. It wouldn't be my first choice for moose, 400 yd shots on bighorn, or grizzlies, but it can do it. It's a deadly round, and what snipers in the military used for many years. @Stoic1 Sorry to ring your bell again, but what are the preferred rounds for snipers now?
Underpowered for guaranteeing instant unconsciousness with a torso shot to a human, I mean. It will absolutely kill, but with how much suffering for a human? If Stoic is right that he was awake for the full 15 seconds, that's a lot of pain. It's also possible he went unconscious very rapidly as well, and that the thrashing wasn't done in pain as such. Hard to know.
I won't harp on it anymore, but you are just wrong on this. The .308 is more than enough to kill a human instantly, especially at a short distance.
Ok, I accept that I'm underestimating the .308 W, or overestimating the human body. Stoic seemed to think the prisoner was in pain for a while, but again, entirely possible that was in an unconscious state, and that there was no pain.
You swore an oath to defend the Constitution. I understand the hunger for retribution, but how can you square your oath and wanting to execute someone with cruelty? I am not judging, just want to know your take on this.
My best guess is that it was a poor shot(s). That round would make the heart look like a mound of jelly if the shot was placed right.
Let's hope it wasn't intentionally bad shooting.
That would be heinous. I am guessing it was just incompetence or nerves (which is incompetence). Some people freeze when hunting game. "Buck fever" is what my dad called it. Getting the yips in that situation would be understandable. The shooters should have been military with kills under their belt.
Yeah... nut shots all around.
That much is certain, as the .308 W / 7.62mm NATO is twice as powerful.
Do you have any experience with the .338, or general thoughts on it?
You never can tell with this stuff until the moment itself is there. I've never shot to kill anything, so I can't pass personal judgment in that regard. But I've managed to play several concerts with past bands I've been in, so, hey, I'm pretty cool under pressure, right? Whether it's threading a .70 caliber guitar string or shooting a .700 Nitro, the experience passes from on the other other, right?
My limited experience was with a .338 mag lapua. I'm not sure how different that is from the Norma stuff. After 5 rds with .338 I was done. Recoil felt like 12gauge slugs. Not pleasant.
You say it in jest, but walking out in front of a crowd and performing is a test and it will steel your nerves or break you. I've played music in front of people, and it's the same principle. You focus on your part. You let the hours of practice and rehearsal take over. The moment you start thinking about the moment you are fucked. You have one job. Do it.
- I'm. I am also there were people willing to shoot!
