Crime Someone tried to assassinate Donald Trump at his rally in Butler, Pennsylvania

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And they all sound dumb as hell. To me, the most likely scenario is crazy guy did something crazy. End of story.

I do agree. I think it was a whacko and SS just failed, and people need to be fired.

 

[BFoe]

This also seems to be the right-wing response every single time they get caught in hypocrisy. Suddenly it's both sidesism and never just a clear admission that yes, we've been full of s*** and we have lied and gas lit in this case and we've been wrong and we're wrong now. How about just say that??

Trump spewed endlessly hateful rhetoric and his cockroaches followed and were worse online and told us all that if their words hurt we were babies and our feelings didn't matter. Now suddenly calling that out rigorously and honestly has caused an assassination attempt! So suddenly words about mean words has the power to kill.

That's a pretty intense point of hypocrisy. And one I will say has been completely caused by the right and Trump.

I would just like to see the Republicans admit now that Trump's words have the power to kill and that all the hatred that right wingers have spewed towards the left and lying about elections and all kinds of other things has the power to kill.

This is the point I’m also trying to make.

Political tensions haven’t been this high in a very, very long time. I think it would be great for both sides to have a discussion on how our collective rhetoric has inflamed tensions, lead to violence, and should be toned down.

But as far as I can tell, that’s not the conversation the Right wants to have. No, it’s “libs need to do some soul searching, but we aren’t going to change anything.”

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Nah, stfu like for real.

What kind of response is this? Is this well thought out? Does this address my positions?

 

[nostradumbass]

The SS's job isn't to prevent literally every possible attack from occurring, it's their job to react to attacks and protect the VIP, which they did.

Yes, that is their fucking job. You thought their job was to ballpark it and say "meh, sure we left some nearby rooftops open but we covered the broad strokes of metal detectors inside the gate"?

When there is totally open rooftop with a clear view of the target, dozens of people screaming "hey, there's some sketchy kid climbing a fucking ladder with a fucking rifle" at the police and secret service and fucking filming it, and they didn't even get Trump off the stage with several minutes of warning, then have the kid in their sight with their own rifles and still let him get multiple shots off before responding, that's more than just incompetence.

It is pretty pathetic how you'll excuse all of Trump's inciteful rhetoric but pin the actions of a loner 20 year old on the entire democratic party.

Probably because the reaction from lefties on every site that won't ban you for saying so is anger that the shot missed, and the ones on here where you will get banned trying to find some other angle without directly saying it and instead just trying to deflect.

 

[LMP]

If you want to spread CT nonsense find some place else to post. It's not going to be allowed here. If you continue to do so you will receive thread bans and/or cards.

 

[Rational Poster]

So you don't think that entire compound where the building the shooter used should've been locked down completely to prevent entry? The SS locks down large portions of entire cities when VIPs visit. Not locking down that property seems very careless.

I don't think anything I've said equals Monday morning quarterbacking.

I mean it's literally Monday morning and you're trying to throw the entire secret service under the bus without any actual info other than what's been reported in piece meal by dozens of media sources/

There's literally thousands of considerations when you're talking about such a complex level of security and proper investigation into what went wrong and who is in fault has hardly even started.

The secret service are literally the reason Trump is still alive, the local police failed to adequately screen the area and when alerted to the suspicious individual on the roof, they failed to engage with him and allowed him to take shots at the former President.

 

[Barteh]

amazing how the opinions of the leftist posters on here change immediately after the MSNBC pundits come out with a new talking point.

These people are too brainwashed, the other thread about Trump's case being dismissed is even funnier because the usual TDS crowd is crying in there. They're like rabid dogs, just crazy and completely unhinged.

One day a judge's decision is the only important thing, then the other day a judge decides something they don't like and it suddenly doesn't count and the judge is corrupt. I think we can legit call it a mental illness and realize that TDS isn't just a meme.

 

[Scerpi]

What i realized billions of war related funds depend on the next president, so maybe ,some groups would prefer a president who would continue to approve these funds, Trump does nt seem to be that kind of candidate?

There we go... The Military Industrial Complex... A real Conspiracy Theory I can get behind

Boeing, Raytheon, Lockhead Martin, Northrup Grumman... billions and billions at stake each year

It's JFK level stuff...

Why else would the snipers have the shooter in their sights? Waiting for him to take the shot, then promptly eliminating the shooter after.

Not realizing the little shit missed

 

[Monte Moku]

EUROPE?!?!

You mean, that place that's ten times worse than current America where you'll have even less rights and will likely be the victim of legalized violent crime from members of a certain religion? That Europe?

lol so much fearmongering. Yes, that Europe. The one where most nations have more political and civil liberties than America, and the same Europe where violent incidents with Muslim immigrants are as over sensationalized in the news as mass shootings in America

 

[Teppodama]

So is this hissyfit I hear about Biden’s “bullseye” comment.


I don’t give one good motherfuck.

For as much as you call libs triggered, no surprise that it’s you who can’t handle opinions that weren’t even directed at you. Toodles.

No, merely a comment on pointing to Trump's fight fight fight comment as some sort of incitement is ridiculous, much like trying to point to Biden's bullseye comment as incitement to shoot Trump. People are desperately looking for gotcha moments and whataboutisms for either side.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

This is the point I’m also trying to make.

Political tensions haven’t been this high in a very, very long time. I think it would be great for both sides to have a discussion on how our collective rhetoric has inflamed tensions, lead to violence, and should be toned down.

But as far as I can tell, that’s not the conversation the Right wants to have. No, it’s “libs need to do some soul searching, but we aren’t going to change anything.”

If the right wants us to examine our rhetoric, something I am completely willing to do, it would completely undermine their entire position of supporting Trump. They would have to admit that locker room talk isn't just boys talking and that speaking out of both sides of your mouth about hateful groups and supporting them isn't harmless.

Any attempt to admit or blame the left and state that words hurt and cause damage immediately also completely undermines their entire foundations.

One of the great damages Trump has done is that he has degraded civilized and dignified rhetoric and discussion and speech. It's one of the worst things about Trump and his capacity to embolden the worst among us and make them feel unashamed of their terrible positions and hateful state of being has been one of the most important damages Trump has caused.

But if they now want to say "hey, we're all causing harm". They would also have to stop supporting Trump who was the principal actor in all of this.

But that would be admitting we were right all along about Trump and the damage he would do to this country. And that's not even talking about policy positions.

 

[spamking]

This is the point I’m also trying to make.

Political tensions haven’t been this high in a very, very long time. I think it would be great for both sides to have a discussion on how our collective rhetoric has inflamed tensions, lead to violence, and should be toned down.

But as far as I can tell, that’s not the conversation the Right wants to have. No, it’s “libs need to do some soul searching, but we aren’t going to change anything.”

So after years of being told how horrible conservatives have been and immediately after an attempt to kill Trump happened, you and @terrapin are whining about "the right" not wanting to have a touchy-feely discussion about how we can change things for the better?

Maybe give it a little time. Let folks cool off and maybe that discussion can happen.

 

[Strychnine]

Are you going to vote for him now?

Pointing out the obvious doesn't change one's political leanings.

 

[White Whale]

Leftist showing how evil they are.

 

[Scerpi]

I mean it's literally Monday morning and you're trying to throw the entire secret service under the bus without any actual info other than what's been reported in piece meal by dozens of media sources/

There's literally thousands of considerations when you're talking about such a complex level of security and proper investigation into what went wrong and who is in fault has hardly even started.

The secret service are literally the reason Trump is still alive, the local police failed to adequately screen the area and when alerted to the suspicious individual on the roof, they failed to engage with him and allowed him to take shots at the former President.

Ahhh... Are you suggesting a 20 year masterminded a stealthy infiltration through almost impenetrable security? That Secret Service had the area completely locked down?

Somehow the kid pulled an Ocean 11, scrupulously detailed the area in advance, identifying possible weak points?

Nah... couldn't have been gross incompetence

hahahahaha.... your trolling is top notch

 

[cincymma79]

Yes but is this councidence that shooter appeared very precise to kill one from public like in slaughterhause scene and accidentally had missed to land normal shot on Trump?

While we recently had attention seeking student in Prague. He had killed mainly ....innocent and unramed friendly students. They died.
Investigation still is done deeper why police had told special tasks forces wrong address... Ofc they didn't had used sounds etc...and still looks that crazy idiot had noticed them and after this get even more into mad mode.
One from notable assassination scenes I'm Israel had been done by pro Israel oriented " student " who assumed that government Is too soft and wanted to get his name into history books.....this painful reality...

Jesus Christ did you use your middle button to autofill this shit

 

[Deleted member 577981]

So after years of being told how horrible conservatives have been and immediately after an attempt to kill Trump happened, you and @terrapin are whining about "the right" not wanting to have a touchy-feely discussion about how we can change things for the better?

Maybe give it a little time. Let folks cool off and maybe that discussion can happen.

Well, let's present my position accurately.

The first thing I did is make several posts about how absolutely disgusting his act was and how there is absolutely no place whatsoever for it in this country and that no good could possibly come from violent actions.

But then I was shocked to see right-wingers immediately start to blame the left for what happened and specifically to blame mean words for what happened and then obviously that would sound profoundly hypocritical considering what you guys have been saying for the last few years in defense of Trumps absolutely terrible public rhetoric and that from the bully pulpit.

If you condemn our words about mean words as being harmful then in principle, you must all condemn Trump.

The inevitable result here is for us all to return to what the left has been arguing for all along which is civility, kindness and dignity--- but you guys called us pussies for that.

 

[Strychnine]

I didn't say you were. Wtf?

If I felt this strongly about it, I'd contact the judge so that you can legally argue in front of them to get the verdict overturned.

This isn't hard...

 

[Scerpi]

"Trump has not told anyone to physically assault anyone"

Trump's first words after surviving an assassination attempt;

"FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT"

Lame.... 0/10 troll attempt

You're doing better earlier

 

[filthybliss]

Well, let's present my position accurately.

The first thing I did is make several posts about how absolutely disgusting his act was and how there is absolutely no place whatsoever for it in this country and that no good could possibly come from violent actions.

But then I was shocked to see right-wingers immediately start to blame the left for what happened and specifically to blame mean words for what happened and then obviously that would sound profoundly hypocritical considering what you guys have been saying for the last few years in defense of Trumps absolutely terrible public rhetoric and that from the bully pulpit.

If you condemn our words about mean words as being harmful than in principle, you must all condemn Trump.

The inevitable result here is for us all to return to what the left has been arguing for all along which is civility, kindness and dignity--- but you guys called us pussies for that.

why bother...they only care about domestic terrorism if it involves their orange daddy. dead children, women, etc. don't mean squat to these freaks.