Crime Someone tried to assassinate Donald Trump at his rally in Butler, Pennsylvania

[Stokanator]

But then I was shocked to see right-wingers immediately start to blame the left for what happened and specifically to blame mean words for what happened and then obviously that would sound profoundly hypocritical considering what you guys have been saying for the last few years in defense of Trumps absolutely terrible public rhetoric and that from the bully pulpit.

In all fairness, if the roles were reversed and the same thing happened to Joe Biden, democrats would have responded with the exact quick rush to judgement to blame the Republican Party. There's no question about it.

 

[BFoe]

No, merely a comment on pointing to Trump's fight fight fight comment as some sort of incitement is ridiculous, much like trying to point to Biden's bullseye comment as incitement to shoot Trump. People are desperately looking for gotcha moments and whataboutisms for either side.

I think we’re in agreement on this (correct me if I’m wrong).

Both sides need to start choosing their words and rhetoric more carefully.

So after years of being told how horrible conservatives have been and immediately after an attempt to kill Trump happened, you and @terrapin are whining about "the right" not wanting to have a touchy-feely discussion about how we can change things for the better?

Maybe give it a little time. Let folks cool off and maybe that discussion can happen.

They initiated the topic though. All sorts of conservative media, as well as this thread, is running with “the left incited this event with their terrible rhetoric,” while simultaneously refusing to look at or take any responsibility for their own.

You don’t think liberals have been told how awful we are, for years? Trump called us thugs and vermin FFS. And this thread is full of right wing posters doing the same thing, I mean, do I need to go through this thread and quote all the times we were called radical or evil ITT?

My point is simple: I think an open and honest discussion about how rhetoric can inflame tensions and cause violence is a great discussion to have. But if the Right is going to tell us to do some soul searching, they better be ready to do the same.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Pretty relevant when the new head of the SS is a DEI hire herself, who is on tape saying they need to hire more women. And then we have pictures and videos of this weekend's events that show women fucking up.

You understand now why people are mentioning this DEI crap? Because DEI just quite literally almost got a presidential candidate killed.

What makes you say she is DEI hire and what connection does that have to this assassination attempt?

You somehow want the right to share some of the blame of the radical left attempting to assassinate Trump. Yeah sorry not happening. Nearly a decade of liberal news and ther rubes squealing about evil big bad orange Hitler.

This is at your feet.

Has it been confirmed the shooter was a leftist?

 

[emefer]

like yall saying nancy pelosi wanting to punch that orange goober in the face influenced this.....

Don’t you mean crazy Nancy. That’s what trump and his humpers call her.
But tone down the rhetoric

 

[PurpleDrank]

This also seems to be the right-wing response every single time they get caught in hypocrisy. Suddenly it's both sidesism and never just a clear admission that yes, we've been full of s*** and we have lied and gas lit in this case and we've been wrong and we're wrong now. How about just say that??

Trump spewed endlessly hateful rhetoric and his cockroaches followed and were worse online and told us all that if their words hurt we were babies and our feelings didn't matter. Now suddenly calling that out rigorously and honestly has caused an assassination attempt! So suddenly words about mean words has the power to kill.

That's a pretty intense point of hypocrisy. And one I will say has been completely caused by the right and Trump.

I would just like to see the Republicans admit now that Trump's words have the power to kill and that all the hatred that right wingers have spewed towards the left and lying about elections and all kinds of other things has the power to kill.

Im not sure my post pointing to the human 'nature' to be hypocritical warranted this response but alright. This constant deflection towards partisan rage is unproductive.

 

[MetalGearTrump]

What makes you say she is DEI hire and what connection does that have to this assassination attempt?

Has it been confirmed the shooter was a leftist?

He donated to ActBlue on Joe's inauguration day

 

[Andy Capp]

The shooter was "right wing" yet everybody on the far left is openly supporting what he tried to do?

This pathetically desperate attempt to deflect responsibility fools absolutely nobody with even a halfway functioning mind. Nobody who isn't already "woke" will look at this and be like, "The shooter was a Republican? Well that makes the assassination attempt perfectly okay, then. I'm voting Democrat forever!"

This is bullshit. Get fucked.

 

[jk7707]

Pretty relevant when the new head of the SS is a DEI hire herself, who is on tape saying they need to hire more women. And then we have pictures and videos of this weekend's events that show women fucking up.

You understand now why people are mentioning this DEI crap? Because DEI just quite literally almost got a presidential candidate killed.

Oh, and have you scrutinized her credentials and resume to determine that?

 

[Rob Battisti]

Somehow it always comes back to DEI

Tbh, the new female head of the SS came from a less than appropriate background and expressed her desire to make 30% of the SS female.

The pudgy woman in the back seemed completely ill prepared for the moment and there was an internal memo signed how there is inadequate training and poor disciplinary action.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

In all fairness, if the roles were reversed and the same thing happened to Joe Biden, democrats would have responded the exact same rush to judgement blaming the Republican Party. There's no question about it.

Well it's true except you're missing one thing. If Democrats did that, they would be keeping in line with their principled stance on speech. Because the Democrats have been arguing for civilized kind dignified public rhetoric all along and we've been called pussies by the right for that.....

So in fact it is the Republicans that are being hypocritical in both cases and the Democrats who would have been completely consistent with their principles.

 

[Islam Imamate]

No, merely a comment on pointing to Trump's fight fight fight comment as some sort of incitement is ridiculous, much like trying to point to Biden's bullseye comment as incitement to shoot Trump. People are desperately looking for gotcha moments and whataboutisms for either side.

Let's not pretend they're equivalent though, I think that would be unfair. Trump organized a rally on Jan 6th specifically for the purpose of getting them to pressure Mike Pence to overturn the election. When it spiraled out of control instead of trying to make things right immediately, he exploited it and we have communications of him encouraging Congressmen to delay the certification of the vote. Only after he was begged by multiple people for hours did he try to call off the riot. It doesn't meet the narrow, legal threshold to be criminally liable for incitement to violence but colloquially there's no other way to describe his actions.

 

[Teppodama]

I think we’re in agreement on this (correct me if I’m wrong).

Both sides need to start choosing their words and rhetoric more carefully.


Yes, we are in agreement on that. However, I don't think it likely as all those with any real power in America gain from the strife in one manner or another.

 

[Dr Curtis Love]

 

[Rob Battisti]

Have you read the transcript of what the agents were saying while they were piling on Trump?

Female agent:

"What are we doing. What are we doing. What are we doing?"

Ugh didn’t see that

 

[Brampton_Boy]

So you don't think that entire compound where the building the shooter used should've been locked down completely to prevent entry? The SS locks down large portions of entire cities when VIPs visit. Not locking down that property seems very careless.

I don't think anything I've said equals Monday morning quarterbacking.

When President Zalenski visited Toronto a couple of years back (prior to the Russian war), they locked down several city blocks stretching back at least 3 km. The fact that someone was able to get within 200 yards of the former President is kind of wild.

 

[shockaholic12]

Yet the left tried to pin Jan 6 on Trump. He never told them to breach the Capital. They were fed up over how the elections went down. Plus we just came outta Covid so emotions were high.

Never told them to breach the capitol.
Just told them to gather in DC the morning the election was being certified. Told them “the kraken” was dropping any second now to give them the election back but that the dems were about to steal the democracy away. Told them to march to the specific building said election was being certified at, during the exact time it was being certified, and to “fight like hell”.

How could you pin any responsibility on that guy? Clearly his hands are clean.

 

[flektarn]

Oh, and have you scrutinized her credentials and resume to determine that?

previously in charge of protecting cheetos and pepsi.
very qualified!

 

[deadshot138]

Liberals really create their own reality. Coworkers are saying "something ricocheted and hit Trump" trying to minimize what happened and then theorycrafting that no one moved when the shots were fired, implying they knew they were coming and the whole thing was set up. Facts really don't matter in todays society.

 

[Rational Poster]

When President Zalenski visited Toronto a couple of years back (prior to the Russian war), they locked down several city blocks stretching back at least 3 km. The fact that someone was able to get within 200 yards of the former President is kind of wild.

Likely because the threat environment of major international city is much more diverse than a field in the middle of nowhere in PA.

 

[jk7707]

previously in charge of protecting cheetos and pepsi.
very qualified!

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