Crime Someone tried to assassinate Donald Trump at his rally in Butler, Pennsylvania

[Deleted member 577981]

Oh shut the fuck up. Nobody called them out for "mean words", you disingenuous hack, they called them out for gaslighting you mentally ill nutjobs and literally driving you to violent insanity over and over, year after year to the extent that a literal majority of young liberal white women are diagnosed as mentally ill, Steve Scalise was shot, Trump was shot, disgusting levels of you guys needing antidepressants and anxiety medication, and regular mass riots in most city centers.

GTFO with "what the left has been calling for all along". "The left" are the most deranged, violent pieces of shit all throughout history, and it's hatred for rural people every fucking time, everywhere in history with the exception of Khmer Rouge, so it's not like this shit isn't a clearly laid out playbook from countries on 5 continents for over a century.

If you take the hateful emotionalism out of your post what's left?

This is a perfect example of the right here.

 

[Squarechoke]

Clearly defined parameters? Defined by whom? Left wing EU drones. Sorry that not everyone accepts your bunk ass "experts" and that you've encountered enough rational people to predict being called out for saying something disputable.

Clearly defined in that you can read them and see why they arrive at the conclusions they do. That's a good basis for conversation for rational people.

I'm however not being called out by a rational person here. I'm getting push back by someone that thought it was a great idea to refer to a few random, unknown people to show the state of another country, but get upset when someone refers to something with actual thought put behind it and with full visibility for anyone that wants to, just because it says something you don't like to hear. You're exactly the kind of emotionally fueled person I predicted.

 

[Lucas1980]

Really, you're gonna expect a rock band to toe the line?

Tell me you don't understand rock music without telling me you don't understand rock music.

Ben and Jerry aren't in a real Rock Band....but I get what you're saying.

 

[DrDune]

Really, you're gonna expect a rock band to toe the line?

Tell me you don't understand rock music without telling me you don't understand rock music.

No, I expect the 'party of decency' to align itself with people that don't advocate for public assassinations.

I'm sorry that is hard for you to understand.

 

[Rational Poster]

I really don't see any difference between his actions and any number of Democrat politicians encouraging, not discouraging or potentially even fanning riotous actions. Questioning elections. Describing opposing politicians or political groups actions in the most negative of ways to vilify them.

Trump is not perfect, most definitely not perfect, but he is also no worse than someone like Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, The Squad on the Dems side and idiots like MTG and Boebert on the Republic side.

This problem with this line of defense is you'll say this that these people are bad or whatever, but when the time comes to vote you'll still support them and their rhetoric.

 

[Deleted member 577981]

Well the majority of you are Pussies and words don't hurt and never did.

I think you are deeply mistaken but at least you are being consistent in principle here.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

No, I expect the 'party of decency' to align itself with people that don't advocate for public assassinations.

I'm sorry that is hard for you to understand.

Err, no.

You're mad because you don't get to accuse the Dems of virtue signalling.

That's all this is. Tough break, kid.

 

[nostradumbass]

How Trump & the GOP Will Use this Opportunity to Demonize — and Shut Up — Democrats​

Will Trump & the RNC repudiate authoritarianism and instead embrace bipartisanship and world peace? Or are they going to continue driving the GOP down the fascist road?​

Historian Douglas Brinkley told the story on CNN Sunday morning about how after President Ronald Reagan was shot, when he woke up in the hospital, he told a friend nearby that the experience had transformed him, that he was now going to dedicate his life to peace.

Not only did he not once blame the shooting on Democrats; Reagan instead largely followed through on that promise, Brinkley said, spending the rest of his presidency trying to rid the world of nuclear weapons. He later worked with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev trying — successfully — to deescalate tensions between the US and the USSR.


A few days after he left the hospital, Reagan wrote a personal note to then-Soviet leader Brezhnev saying he’d like to reach out and work together for “a meaningful and constructive dialogue which will assist us in fulfilling our joint obligation to find lasting peace.”

Don’t expect that this attempt on his life will similarly “awaken” Donald Trump. Already, his surrogates are using the opportunity to demonize — and shut up — Democrats.

Republican Senator and VP wannabee JD Vance was one of the first:


In other words, Democrats damn well better stop calling Trump and the people who support him authoritarians or point out the parallels between their policies and rhetoric and those of Nazis unless they want to be blamed for the actions of a random 20-year-old madman with the classic “bullied loner” profile of a school shooter wanting to die in a blaze of glory.

What an authoritarian thing to do. And it’s intentional: the goal is to blow up the re-election plan that Joe Biden laid out in a speech just a few days before the shooting: to focus on Trump’s violent rhetoric, violent provocations on January 6th, and his years-long embrace of authoritarian violence.

They’re trying, in other words, to silence Democrats. To shut down the Biden campaign’s sharpest weapon against Trump and his neofascist rightwing MAGA movement.

Republican Senator and fellow VP wannabee Tim Scott also got the message, perhaps directly from the campaign or maybe he just saw an opportunity on his own to turn up the heat; he jumped right in:


Republican Senator Ron Johnson, on CNN with Jake Tapper Sunday morning, blamed “Critical Race Theory” for the shooting, saying that the study of historic anti-Black racism in American schools was responsible for the attempt on Trump.

Marjorie Taylor Greene took the opportunityto suggest Democrats are trying to start a second American Civil War, as if people on the left are buying assault weapons and organizing into militias:


Democrats, in other words, damn well better shut up right now about Trump and MAGA’s violent words and memes. Condemning Trump and the militias and racists who promote him is now off-limits: that’s rhetoric that will lead to a “civil war.”

Georgia Republican Congressman Mike Collins went straight for the jugular, tweeting simply:


In that, he’s echoing Donald Trump’s prior claims that when the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago for the top-secret documents he’d stolen from the White House, President Biden was trying to use the opportunity to have the FBI assassinate him. Trump’s exact statement on Truth Social was that Biden was “locked & loaded ready to take me out.”

Trump is now claiming it was “God alone” who kept him safe from death; so far, it looks and sounds like Trump, instead of choosing Reagan’s path to peace, will be claiming martyrdom and directing all the attention to himself. Just two months ago, in fact, Substack author Rohn Kenyatta warned of a scenario very much like this in his excellent LookingNWords newsletter.

Many hope that Trump and his followers won’t continue to use this attempt on his life to blame Democrats for political violence in America, although social media is already afire with such memes.

As noted, the goal of Republican efforts now will be directed to getting the media to condemn Democrats whenever they point out the GOP’s embrace of violence, from January 6th to Trump joking about the hammer attack on Paul Pelosi to the “very fine people” in Charlottesville.

If they choose to take the fascist response to a political bloodletting rather that Reagan’s de-escalation response, there’s a well-trod path — laid out in the book Trump’s first wife said was on his bed-stand for years — that I very much hope Trump doesn’t choose to follow.

Ninety-eight years ago this month, the echo of a similar martyrdom first appeared in Germany, an event I’m connected to by only two degrees of separation.

On July 4, 1926, the Blutfahne, or “blood flag,” was unveiled at the second party congress of Germany’s National Socialists.

When Hitler had earlier led a march to overthrow the government of the state of Bavaria, storming the Munich capitol building with a mob, the police stopped them before they were able to get to the governor or any of the legislators; two people were shot by police and one, Andreas Bauriedl, knocked over and fell on a swastika flag where he died of his gunshot to the stomach.

The bloodied flag became a sacred relic for that authoritarian movement. They carried it to all their major political events; over time it took on, followers believed, a “spiritual vibration.” They called it the Blutfahne, or “blood flag.”

My mentor, Gottfried Müller, told me a story that I relate in the book I wrote about him, that, at a 1930s Nazi rally, he’d been among a group of young draftees who were led up to the stage to salute Hitler and touch the Blutfahne.

(Müller later renounced Nazism and, immediately after the war, spent years traveling to German churches and civic halls with a Hasidic rabbi, Avram Pollak, preaching pacifism; he later started a series of peace-based nonprofits around the world, which is how I first met him. I helped start Salem (“Salem means ‘Peace’”) programs in the US, Israel, Colombia, Uganda, and a half-dozen other countries throughout the 1980s.)

Flag consecration — using a flag, particularly one that was bloodied in battle — is a European military tradition that dates back to at least the 10th century. For example, a “blood flag” was famously used to lead a battle in Germany in the Talschaft (forest canton) of Schwyz in 1240.

There’s even an American variation. In April 1871, former Union Army General and then-Congressman Benjamin Butler of Massachusetts gave a speech condemning the Ku Klux Klan. Rightwingers associated with the Klan claimed that he had waived the bloody shirt of a Black voting rights “carpetbagger” they had killed — which is where the phrase, “Waving the bloody shirt!” comes from.

Will Trump’s authoritarian movement continue with their pattern of echoing fascist and authoritarian language and behaviors (“poisoning the blood,” “vermin,” referring to Democrats as “the radical left”) by exploiting this attempt on his life?

Will there be a flag, shirt, or other relic touched with Trump’s blood or that of the supporter who died that becomes their movement’s Blutfahne?

Trump has already laid the foundation for such an effort: After his arrest in Georgia on charges of trying to steal the 2020 election, he had the suit he wore cut into tiny squares which were then sold online as if they were sacred relics.

As The New York Times noted last December:


We’ll find out this week — as Republicans meet today in Milwaukee to begin their coronation of Trump — whether the GOP he now controls will try to elevate his previous calls for “revenge” and “retribution” against Democrats, using this incident as a touchstone. Or if they’ll use this attempt to try to use the media to block Biden’s re-election strategy of pointing out Trump’s own rhetoric.

Given how Trump, just four months ago, promoted on Truth Social an image of President Biden hogtied in the back of a pickup truck with a bullet in his forehead, this seems the most likely outcome, suggesting he’ll use the attempt on his life to increase his already-violence-drenched rhetoric.

Remember, back in 2016, Trump explicitly called for his “Second Amendment people” to take out Hillary Clinton before the election, saying:


There’s speculation in the media that Trump will shift from his previous combative rhetoric to a Reaganesque call for national unity. He already has the GOP base, now fervent in the wake of this attempt on his life; his goal now will be to draw in swing voters “in the middle” by sounding reasonable.

Such a strategy would also help the GOP effort to neuter Biden’s attacks on Trump’s record and decade of promotion of violence.

So, will they use this event as an opportunity to renounce Vance’s, Greene’s, and Scott’s rhetoric, to repudiate authoritarianism, and to return their party to Reagan’s post-shooting embrace of bipartisanship and world peace?

Or are they going to continue driving the GOP down the fascist road by exploiting this event to both “wave the bloody shirt” and shut up Democrats?

Will the media jump on the bandwagon and condemn Democrats and Biden for normal campaign rhetoric while continuing to normalize Trump’s violent past?

Will Biden and his campaign — and progressive media — be cowed by the phony GOP calls to “tone down the rhetoric”?

Cool essay, clown. You should shop that around to publishers.

 

[shockaholic12]

The right's candidate gets shot
He's the opponent of the leftist candidate

Must be a right winged extremist.

The point remains that comparing your political opponents to Hitler, calling them Russian assets, calling for their imprisonment, saying they are the "biggest threat to democracy," are all irresponsible and that's been said from the beginning. Chickens coming home to roost. And now all of you motherless bastards probably just gave him another 4 years in office.



You mean when Trump was accused of racism and causing Asian hate? Give me a fucking break man. The left has routinely taken Trump's words out of context and out right lied such as "calling white Supremacists good people," the losers/suckers comment, the list goes on and on. It's intentional and direct framing

Comparing him to Hitler, calling him a Russian asset, a white supremacist...the greatest threat to democracy... none of those are out of context.

There's a difference between being uncouth and inciting fear and violence.

The dude made historic attempts to remain in power after losing an election. I’m not sure if you have any examples of greater threats to the democratic process currently in politics than that but you tell me.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Oh we are moving on to the red tsunami that you idiots just guaranteed with your mental illness. Should be fun watching you guys cry for another 4 years with a landslide presidential election, red house, red senate, and 2 more SCOTUS picks.

"You idiots"?

It was an American gunman with a gripe after being excluded from the gun fanaticism that runs wild there.

He's one of your own, pal, and by "your own" I mean a product of your country, your culture, and your rhetoric.

Look closer to home.

You are to blame.

 

[nostradumbass]

If you take the hateful emotionalism out of your post what's left?

This is a perfect example of the right here.

Dunno, you could try reading. Just a thought.

 

[HereticBD]

Can I post that the FBI apparently has his phone, but cannot get into it? Seems weird. Saw it first last night, but seems there has been no update. This is from NBC just a little bit ago. Not speculating any further than it seems ridiculous they can't crack a 20 year old dork's phone

Yeah, that's bullshit. They can somehow crack the phone of a murderer when they need to, but a would be assassin of the former President? Too difficult. Can't possibly present Apple or whoever with a search warrant or anything, like they do in any other case when they need to gain access to their phones.

 

[BFoe]

Sure, but we all know what the media would be doing with it if roles were reversed. And we also know that you would be dishonestly clutching your pearls right along with them, while you called for Trump to be charged with inciting violence.

The reason Trump gets the scrutiny he does is because he has a looooong track record of making those types of comments. So again, I think it would a healthy conversation to have to discuss the rhetoric on both sides. But I’m not seeing the Right wanting to look at their side.

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone in that Project 2025 thread condemn the “it will be bloodless if the Left allows it to be” remark, for example. That one seems pretty straightforward, no?
After years of justifications and excuse-making, talk of “Mean Tweets” and the like, Republicans now want to try and pin this whole hateful rhetoric problem on liberals with no accountability for themselves.

You somehow want the right to share some of the blame of the radical left attempting to assassinate Trump. Yeah sorry not happening. Nearly a decade of liberal news and ther rubes squealing about evil big bad orange Hitler.

This is at your feet.

First of all, I am not responsible in any way, shape, or form for what some extremist violent wingnut does, any more than you are responsible for right wing terrorist mass shooters, abortion clinic bombers, and the like. You should be ashamed of yourself for even insinuating that, wtf.

What I am actually asking, is for the Right to take the same honest look at their rhetoric that you’re asking us to take. But of course, you don’t want to do that. You shirk responsibility, and accountability. No surprise.

 

[LMP]

Can I post that the FBI apparently has his phone, but cannot get into it? Seems weird. Saw it first last night, but seems there has been no update. This is from NBC just a little bit ago. Not speculating any further than it seems ridiculous they can't crack a 20 year old dork's phone

Yea actual trying to give news is not a problem. I suspect a lot of stuffing coming out will be wrong or need to be updated later.

 

[DrDune]

Err, no.

You're mad because you don't get to accuse the Dems of virtue signalling.

That's all this is. Tough break, kid.

Signaling*

And no, not a tough break for me. Tough break for the ones claiming to be the virtuous, decent, and peaceful side. Again, I'm not expecting you to understand why wishing literal death on your public opponent is a bad look. The bar is that low for the mouth breathers.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

How Trump & the GOP Will Use this Opportunity to Demonize — and Shut Up — Democrats​

Will Trump & the RNC repudiate authoritarianism and instead embrace bipartisanship and world peace? Or are they going to continue driving the GOP down the fascist road?​

Historian Douglas Brinkley told the story on CNN Sunday morning about how after President Ronald Reagan was shot, when he woke up in the hospital, he told a friend nearby that the experience had transformed him, that he was now going to dedicate his life to peace.

Not only did he not once blame the shooting on Democrats; Reagan instead largely followed through on that promise, Brinkley said, spending the rest of his presidency trying to rid the world of nuclear weapons. He later worked with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev trying — successfully — to deescalate tensions between the US and the USSR.


A few days after he left the hospital, Reagan wrote a personal note to then-Soviet leader Brezhnev saying he’d like to reach out and work together for “a meaningful and constructive dialogue which will assist us in fulfilling our joint obligation to find lasting peace.”

Don’t expect that this attempt on his life will similarly “awaken” Donald Trump. Already, his surrogates are using the opportunity to demonize — and shut up — Democrats.

Republican Senator and VP wannabee JD Vance was one of the first:


In other words, Democrats damn well better stop calling Trump and the people who support him authoritarians or point out the parallels between their policies and rhetoric and those of Nazis unless they want to be blamed for the actions of a random 20-year-old madman with the classic “bullied loner” profile of a school shooter wanting to die in a blaze of glory.

What an authoritarian thing to do. And it’s intentional: the goal is to blow up the re-election plan that Joe Biden laid out in a speech just a few days before the shooting: to focus on Trump’s violent rhetoric, violent provocations on January 6th, and his years-long embrace of authoritarian violence.

They’re trying, in other words, to silence Democrats. To shut down the Biden campaign’s sharpest weapon against Trump and his neofascist rightwing MAGA movement.

Republican Senator and fellow VP wannabee Tim Scott also got the message, perhaps directly from the campaign or maybe he just saw an opportunity on his own to turn up the heat; he jumped right in:


Republican Senator Ron Johnson, on CNN with Jake Tapper Sunday morning, blamed “Critical Race Theory” for the shooting, saying that the study of historic anti-Black racism in American schools was responsible for the attempt on Trump.

Marjorie Taylor Greene took the opportunityto suggest Democrats are trying to start a second American Civil War, as if people on the left are buying assault weapons and organizing into militias:


Democrats, in other words, damn well better shut up right now about Trump and MAGA’s violent words and memes. Condemning Trump and the militias and racists who promote him is now off-limits: that’s rhetoric that will lead to a “civil war.”

Georgia Republican Congressman Mike Collins went straight for the jugular, tweeting simply:


In that, he’s echoing Donald Trump’s prior claims that when the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago for the top-secret documents he’d stolen from the White House, President Biden was trying to use the opportunity to have the FBI assassinate him. Trump’s exact statement on Truth Social was that Biden was “locked & loaded ready to take me out.”

Trump is now claiming it was “God alone” who kept him safe from death; so far, it looks and sounds like Trump, instead of choosing Reagan’s path to peace, will be claiming martyrdom and directing all the attention to himself. Just two months ago, in fact, Substack author Rohn Kenyatta warned of a scenario very much like this in his excellent LookingNWords newsletter.

Many hope that Trump and his followers won’t continue to use this attempt on his life to blame Democrats for political violence in America, although social media is already afire with such memes.

As noted, the goal of Republican efforts now will be directed to getting the media to condemn Democrats whenever they point out the GOP’s embrace of violence, from January 6th to Trump joking about the hammer attack on Paul Pelosi to the “very fine people” in Charlottesville.

If they choose to take the fascist response to a political bloodletting rather that Reagan’s de-escalation response, there’s a well-trod path — laid out in the book Trump’s first wife said was on his bed-stand for years — that I very much hope Trump doesn’t choose to follow.

Ninety-eight years ago this month, the echo of a similar martyrdom first appeared in Germany, an event I’m connected to by only two degrees of separation.

On July 4, 1926, the Blutfahne, or “blood flag,” was unveiled at the second party congress of Germany’s National Socialists.

When Hitler had earlier led a march to overthrow the government of the state of Bavaria, storming the Munich capitol building with a mob, the police stopped them before they were able to get to the governor or any of the legislators; two people were shot by police and one, Andreas Bauriedl, knocked over and fell on a swastika flag where he died of his gunshot to the stomach.

The bloodied flag became a sacred relic for that authoritarian movement. They carried it to all their major political events; over time it took on, followers believed, a “spiritual vibration.” They called it the Blutfahne, or “blood flag.”

My mentor, Gottfried Müller, told me a story that I relate in the book I wrote about him, that, at a 1930s Nazi rally, he’d been among a group of young draftees who were led up to the stage to salute Hitler and touch the Blutfahne.

(Müller later renounced Nazism and, immediately after the war, spent years traveling to German churches and civic halls with a Hasidic rabbi, Avram Pollak, preaching pacifism; he later started a series of peace-based nonprofits around the world, which is how I first met him. I helped start Salem (“Salem means ‘Peace’”) programs in the US, Israel, Colombia, Uganda, and a half-dozen other countries throughout the 1980s.)

Flag consecration — using a flag, particularly one that was bloodied in battle — is a European military tradition that dates back to at least the 10th century. For example, a “blood flag” was famously used to lead a battle in Germany in the Talschaft (forest canton) of Schwyz in 1240.

There’s even an American variation. In April 1871, former Union Army General and then-Congressman Benjamin Butler of Massachusetts gave a speech condemning the Ku Klux Klan. Rightwingers associated with the Klan claimed that he had waived the bloody shirt of a Black voting rights “carpetbagger” they had killed — which is where the phrase, “Waving the bloody shirt!” comes from.

Will Trump’s authoritarian movement continue with their pattern of echoing fascist and authoritarian language and behaviors (“poisoning the blood,” “vermin,” referring to Democrats as “the radical left”) by exploiting this attempt on his life?

Will there be a flag, shirt, or other relic touched with Trump’s blood or that of the supporter who died that becomes their movement’s Blutfahne?

Trump has already laid the foundation for such an effort: After his arrest in Georgia on charges of trying to steal the 2020 election, he had the suit he wore cut into tiny squares which were then sold online as if they were sacred relics.

As The New York Times noted last December:


We’ll find out this week — as Republicans meet today in Milwaukee to begin their coronation of Trump — whether the GOP he now controls will try to elevate his previous calls for “revenge” and “retribution” against Democrats, using this incident as a touchstone. Or if they’ll use this attempt to try to use the media to block Biden’s re-election strategy of pointing out Trump’s own rhetoric.

Given how Trump, just four months ago, promoted on Truth Social an image of President Biden hogtied in the back of a pickup truck with a bullet in his forehead, this seems the most likely outcome, suggesting he’ll use the attempt on his life to increase his already-violence-drenched rhetoric.

Remember, back in 2016, Trump explicitly called for his “Second Amendment people” to take out Hillary Clinton before the election, saying:


There’s speculation in the media that Trump will shift from his previous combative rhetoric to a Reaganesque call for national unity. He already has the GOP base, now fervent in the wake of this attempt on his life; his goal now will be to draw in swing voters “in the middle” by sounding reasonable.

Such a strategy would also help the GOP effort to neuter Biden’s attacks on Trump’s record and decade of promotion of violence.

So, will they use this event as an opportunity to renounce Vance’s, Greene’s, and Scott’s rhetoric, to repudiate authoritarianism, and to return their party to Reagan’s post-shooting embrace of bipartisanship and world peace?

Or are they going to continue driving the GOP down the fascist road by exploiting this event to both “wave the bloody shirt” and shut up Democrats?

Will the media jump on the bandwagon and condemn Democrats and Biden for normal campaign rhetoric while continuing to normalize Trump’s violent past?

Will Biden and his campaign — and progressive media — be cowed by the phony GOP calls to “tone down the rhetoric”?

Interesting piece. Another example of our societal decay reflected in politicians.

 

[Bwagster]

Never told them to breach the capitol.
Just told them to gather in DC the morning the election was being certified. Told them “the kraken” was dropping any second now to give them the election back but that the dems were about to steal the democracy away. Told them to march to the specific building said election was being certified at, during the exact time it was being certified, and to “fight like hell”.

How could you pin any responsibility on that guy? Clearly his hands are clean.

The left lied and made up so many false stories about Jan 6. Even the Capital Police Chief said he was denied multiple times for added security. The media made up stories about MAGA killing police officers. It was a setup from the start. Just like the charges against Trump. Today Judge Smith dismissed the document case against Trump. The wheels are coming off the bus, and Americans are tired of the rhetoric.

The Democrats have been taking over by progressives. Maybe they outta stop voting them into office if they want to win. Biden’s run has been brutal, he failed this country.

 

[CatchnShoot]

The family of the man that was killed and the other victims that were hurt need to sue the crap out of Tim Wise and anyother leftist calling this a false flag.

This may be a first, but I somewhat agree with you, partially.

If Alex "Ass Eater" Jones can be sued for his denial of Sandy Hook victims, surely accountability for spreading a false narrative should apply to this clown.
But then, Faux News could be sued on the daily as well for spreading false narratives.

HOWEVER.... the bar for liability is pretty high, in that they would have to prove that the family suffered actual damage as a result of this guy knowingly spreading lies. I doubt very much that this douche has the reach that Jones had, and as such I don't believe that the family is going to be harassed ad nauseum by his followers as the Sandy Hook families were.



To make allegations like this, you would have to have proof that the dude with the AR-15 was NOT the shooter that hit Trump. You'd have to be retarded to risk your candidate at that distance with that weapon with that shooter intentionally. It's non-sensical.

 

[mkess101]

Time to move on, folks - Trump.

Man I hated him saying that. I understand his sentiment in a macro sense but you just don't fucking say that when kids are killed. There's no "getting over it" for a parent who's child was killed. Ever.

I've lost both my parents. I just had a close friend pass away from cancer this year. If God forbid I lost my wife that would gut me badly, far worse than anyone else I've lost by far. But my kid...that's simply on another level because of how unnatural it is. You aren't supposed to have to bury your kid, ever. Obviously the world doesn't work that way, but downplaying in any way (even unintentionally) when people lose their children is just unacceptable. Period. Literally anything other than "Words cannot describe how awful it is" shouldn't be said.

 

[PurpleDrank]

Well I don't have any rage at all, not even a little bit. I'm just pointing out that hate speech and hateful speech and trailer trash talk came from Trump and he poisoned all of politics with it and the whole country with it and we were told we were pussies when we pointed out that it would cause great damage. We were told that consistently repeatedly over and over again from the right.

I just think it's important to see that we were correct about this and we knew it would lead to trouble and we told everyone that. But instead of reasonable responses from the right, we were mocked and made fun of for being weak.


And I agree everyone needs to cool down. But frankly almost every post I've ever made has been cool. I don't usually get pissed off but I'm also not going to not tell the truth because it's important to know how we got here.

I'm sure you guys will want to get rid of Marjorie Taylor, green, Trump and Bobert immediately since now we admit that words hurt.

You were correct about what exactly? That all the hateful rhetoric of Trump led to the assasination attempt or caused damage in general?

I think you could argue that and theres truth there but it seems a bit reductionist and an attempt to shift blame to one side rather than it being a combination of factors.

One could easily point out the media apparatus and propaganda wing of the United States and their contribution to how we got here as well. I think like everything, its pretty complex.