Crime Someone tried to assassinate Donald Trump at his rally in Butler, Pennsylvania

[Islam Imamate]

Tbh, the new female head of the SS came from a less than appropriate background and expressed her desire to make 30% of the SS female.

The pudgy woman in the back seemed completely ill prepared for the moment and there was an internal memo signed how there is inadequate training and poor disciplinary action.

What do you mean less than appropriate background? We're really going to blame the lady next to Trump for the failure here instead of, idk, whoever it was that was supposed to secure the surrounding buildings?

The right's candidate gets shot
He's the opponent of the leftist candidate

Must be a right winged extremist.

The point remains that comparing your political opponents to Hitler, calling them Russian assets, calling for their imprisonment, saying they are the "biggest threat to democracy," are all irresponsible and that's been said from the beginning. Chickens coming home to roost. And now all of you motherless bastards probably just gave him another 4 years in office.

Just asking for confirmation, is that weird? Shinzo Abe got assassinated and it ended up having nothing to do with typical partisan politics. Could be a contractor who got stiffed by Trump on the wrong job.

I Googled and found this BBC article which confirms that he donated $15 to ActBlue but that he was also a gun nut, a registered Republican, and according to his high school classmates a staunch conservative

State voter records show that he was a registered Republican, according to US media.

He is also reported to have donated $15 to liberal campaign group ActBlue in 2021.

He had a membership at a local shooting club, the Clairton Sportsmen's Club, for at least a year.

According to US media reports, Crooks was wearing a T-shirt from Demolition Ranch, a YouTube channel known for its guns and demolition content. The channel has millions of subscribers featuring videos on different guns and explosive devices.

Max Smith, who took an American history course with Crooks, told the Philadelphia Inquirer that his former classmate "definitely was conservative".

Mr Smith recalled a mock debate in which they both took part, saying: "The majority of the class were on the liberal side, but Tom, no matter what, always stood his ground on the conservative side."

"It makes me wonder why he would carry out an assassination attempt on the conservative candidate," he said.

In light of all that here's what investigators had to say

"We do not currently have an identified motive," said Kevin Rojek, FBI Pittsburgh special agent in charge, at a briefing on Saturday night.

Is it weird to reserve judgement in light of conflicting evidence and an ongoing investigation?

 

[Deleted member 585708]

Man I hated him saying that. I understand his sentiment in a macro sense but you just don't fucking say that when kids are killed. There's no "getting over it" for a parent who's child was killed. Ever.

I've lost both my parents. I just had a close friend pass away from cancer this year. If God forbid I lost my wife that would gut me badly, fat worse than anyone else I've lost by far. But my kid...that's simply on another level because of how unnatural it is. You aren't supposed to have to bury your kid, ever. Obviously the world doesn't work that way, but downplaying in any way (even unintentionally) when people lose their children is just unacceptable. Period. Literally anything other than "Words cannot describe how awful it is" shouldn't be said.

Sobering post.

Like you say I'm sure Trump didn't mean it to come across like that from a macro sense and politics is a whirlwind at the best of times, but it was still a dumb, shitty thing to say.

There's no need for it.

 

[LMP]

Also turned the flaming down again. I get there are a lot of strong feelings, but try to keep it civil. Light flaming is allowed in the WR, don't make your post just empty flaming.

 

[Poatan Power]

The dude made historic attempts to remain in power after losing an election. I’m not sure if you have any examples of greater threats to the democratic process currently in politics than that but you tell me.

Yes, I would call litigation a lesser threat than outright assassination attempts.

What should we do against the biggest threat to democracy? What would you say is a reasonable, measured way to handle that type of a threat.

 

[Rational Poster]

Can I post that the FBI apparently has his phone, but cannot get into it? Seems weird. Saw it first last night, but seems there has been no update. This is from NBC just a little bit ago. Not speculating any further than it seems ridiculous they can't crack a 20 year old dork's phone

The FBI and others security orgs don't have access to all our devices, they have access to the data we transmit between devices, which is almost just as good, but not quite. Most cell phone manufacturers still refuse to provide law enforcement with tools to "brute force" into locked devices.

 

[SandisLL]

Jesus Christ did you use your middle button to autofill this shit

No.
If Trump had died Republicans might be able even to push forward Mike Johnson as POTUS candidate and you had get POTUS in Johnson and I don't joke here or and I don't use autofill device. While I use AI assisted input device for touchpad. Trump too after this today is more popular and Biden looks more boring than Trump. So get who will be POTUS, who will get more votes for Congress and Senate if elections will be yesterday?
Especially cos in europe too are huge doubts that Trump or Biden might be capable to run all full 4 years next term in office...Jesus Christ.

 

[mkess101]

What do you mean less than appropriate background? We're really going to blame the lady next to Trump for the failure here instead of, idk, whoever it was that was supposed to secure the surrounding buildings?

Just asking for confirmation, is that weird? Shinzo Abe got assassinated and it ended up having nothing to do with typical partisan politics. Could be a contractor who got stiffed by Trump on the wrong job.

I Googled and found this BBC article which confirms that he donated $15 to ActBlue but that he was also a gun nut, a registered Republican, and according to his high school classmates a staunch conservative



In light of all that here's what investigators had to say

Is it weird to reserve judgement in light of conflicting evidence and an ongoing investigation?

It's weird seeing these quotes from classmates that he was "definitely conservative" and stuff. There's apparently Instagram video of him saying all Republicans should die, he hates Trump, etc. It was posted somewhere itt I guess? (I didn't see it).

Did he do a 180 on his ideology or...IDK. Lotta conflicting info.

 

[Fergelmince]

the hate online just keeps pouring in

 

[spamking]

They initiated the topic though. All sorts of conservative media, as well as this thread, is running with “the left incited this event with their terrible rhetoric,” while simultaneously refusing to look at or take any responsibility for their own.

You don’t think liberals have been told how awful we are, for years? Trump called us thugs and vermin FFS. And this thread is full of right wing posters doing the same thing, I mean, do I need to go through this thread and quote all the times we were called radical or evil ITT?

My point is simple: I think an open and honest discussion about how rhetoric can inflame tensions and cause violence is a great discussion to have. But if the Right is going to tell us to do some soul searching, they better be ready to do the same.

Do you disagree that some on the left may have contributed to this due to their rhetoric? Do you believe the right can't call that rhetoric out without acknowledging it's rhetoric? You can't try to downplay stuff said by the left and expect no pushback.

I have never given anyone on either side a pass for something horrible they've said about the other. You understand the POV from the right here though don't you? It would be the exact same situation if the roles were reversed.

I think that conversation is already happening (maybe not here). It might not be getting framed how you'd like it to get framed, but I think both the right and left are well aware of how our words can only make things worse.

I'll admit to not reading every post in this 270+ page thread. Have folks on "the right" refused to acknowledge things that have been said in the past?

 

[White Whale]

Decency being shown in a tragic event.

[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-comperatore-trump-rally-victims/74405721007/

GoFundMe for Corey Comperatore, Trump rally shooting victims raises over $3M

GoFundMe for Corey Comperatore, Trump rally shooting victims raises over $3M

A high-profile fundraiser for the victims in Saturday's assassination attempt on former President Donald Trump at a Pennsylvania political rally has raised over $3 million, with top donors including Dana White and Kid Rock.

The GoFundMe, which says it is "President Trump authorized" is organized by Meredith O'Rourke, who is also Trump's top finance person, and is raising money for those "wounded or killed" from the shooting at the Trump rally in Butler on Saturday.

The GoFundMe's initial goal was to raise $1 million, but it has far surpassed that goal, raising over $3.6 million from over 49,000 donations as of Monday morning.

Former fire chief who died at Trump rally used his body to shield family from gunfire

The victim who was killed at a Pennsylvania rally for Donald Trump spent his final moments diving in front of his family to protect them from gunfire that rang out Saturday during an assassination attempt against the former president.

apnews.com

Former fire chief who died at Trump rally used his body to shield family from gunfire

The former fire chief who was killed at a Pennsylvania rally for Donald Trump is remembered by his colleagues as a man who served his community.

The former fire chief who was killed at a Pennsylvania rally for Donald Trump spent his final moments diving down in front of his family, protecting them from the gunfire that rang out Saturday during an assassination attempt against the former president.

Corey Comperatore’s quick decision to use his body as a shield against the bullets flying toward his wife and daughter rang true to the close friends and neighbors who loved and respected the proud 50-year-old Trump supporter, noting that the Butler County resident was a “man of conviction.”
“He’s a literal hero. He shoved his family out of the way, and he got killed for them,” said Mike Morehouse, who lived next to Comperatore for the last eight years. “He’s a hero that I was happy to have as a neighbor.”

Donations from various people included Dana White and Kid Rock has reached over $3 Million dollars for the victims at Trump's rally. The man that died used his body to shield his wife and daughter.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

Yeah, that's bullshit. They can somehow crack the phone of a murderer when they need to, but a would be assassin of the former President? Too difficult. Can't possibly present Apple or whoever with a search warrant or anything, like they do in any other case when they need to gain access to their phones.

Yea, won't speculate too much to avoid going down a CT path, but seems very off IMO

 

[Islam Imamate]

I really don't see any difference between his actions and any number of Democrat politicians encouraging, not discouraging or potentially even fanning riotous actions. Questioning elections. Describing opposing politicians or political groups actions in the most negative of ways to vilify them.

Trump is not perfect, most definitely not perfect, but he is also no worse than someone like Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, The Squad on the Dems side and idiots like MTG and Boebert on the Republic side.

Nah Trump is definitely worse and I'm almost certain you haven't looked into the fake elector's scheme and how it culminated in Jan 6th if you think its just typical rowdy rhetoric. He organized a protest for the purpose of interfering with the peaceful transfer of power and when it erupted into a riot Trump was, instead of calling off his goons, behind the scenes continuing to push his scheme to steal the election.

 

[Mask Of Winters]

This is bullshit. Get fucked.

I have a better idea. You can get ignored instead. Buh bye.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

No, merely a comment on pointing to Trump's fight fight fight comment as some sort of incitement is ridiculous, much like trying to point to Biden's bullseye comment as incitement to shoot Trump. People are desperately looking for gotcha moments and whataboutisms for either side.

It's rather tiresome to say the least. I dislike social media because it's filled with stupid attention whores looking to be outrageous while people who try to understand complex things 200 characters at a time filling their small minds with them does little but increase their stupidity. And people flood threads with social media gotchas so annoying.

 

[Islam Imamate]

It's weird seeing these quotes from classmates that he was "definitely conservative" and stuff. There's apparently Instagram video of him saying all Republicans should die, he hates Trump, etc. It was posted somewhere itt I guess? (I didn't see it).

Did he do a 180 on his ideology or...IDK. Lotta conflicting info.

Right and in light of conflicting info is it weird to hold back and wait for more clarity instead of rushing to judgement and blaming "the left"?

 

[spamking]

Fixed.

My part? What did I do?

 

[Satsui Ryu]

The only way anything changes if is you can change the fundamental image each political group has of their rivals. The media will not allow that because strife drives the news more than Kumbya. Big Business will not allow that because strife among the peasants keeps them from organizing, storming the castle dragging out the royals and beheading them. Political power players will not allow it because political and ideological strife keeps their foot troops coming to the voting booths.

I kinda agree, but to me this is far from a media problem. As you can see from this thread and the complete lack of self awareness and self reflection. The media and politicians are simply giving people what they want. And in this specific case, apparently the guy had no reall social media presence. Begs the question where he got his ideas from.

 

[mkess101]

Sobering post.

Like you say I'm sure Trump didn't mean it to come across like that from a macro sense and politics is a whirlwind at the best of times, but it was still a dumb, shitty thing to say.

There's no need for it.

That's why that Alex Jones shit with Sandy Hook...I can't even read about it. I can generally put emotions aside regarding news stories etc (not always but usually) but that shit makes me see red.

 

[HereticBD]

The reason Trump gets the scrutiny he does is because he has a looooong track record of making those types of comments. So again, I think it would a healthy conversation to have to discuss the rhetoric on both sides. But I’m not seeing the Right wanting to look at their side.

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone in that Project 2025 thread condemn the “it will be bloodless if the Left allows it to be” remark, for example. That one seems pretty straightforward, no?
After years of justifications and excuse-making, talk of “Mean Tweets” and the like, Republicans now want to try and pin this whole hateful rhetoric problem on liberals with no accountability for themselves.

Oh', you mean they're doing exactly what you the media and the Dems would do, and have done, when roles are reversed? Oh' heavens!

Don't give me this "healthy conservation" crap, as if you're interested in anything but downplaying this event and trying to create a "both sides" narrative, all in an effort to wash the left's hands of this and make the blame "equal". That's all you're trying to do. You have absolutely no interest in looking at things through a neutral lens, unless of course it's your side that are proving to be a bunch of psychos. Then we all off a sudden need to have a come to Jesus moment.

Please.

 

[kflo]

amazing how the opinions of the leftist posters on here change immediately after the MSNBC pundits come out with a new talking point.

what talking point is that?