Somebody please show me the receipts!

[Quietus]

Of course he didn't accept a fight. Jones wanted nothing to do with that fight. Francis was active for 3 years while Jones sat out doing nothing, he could've had the fight any time he wanted esp after Francis beat Stipe. Jones ducked, that is so painfully obvious if you look at it objectively. It's not like he was fighting other people and occupied, he waited until a safer, easier fight for the HW belt presented itself. Jones ducked because he was scared of losing his legacy to one of those glancing shots from Francis that put away a bunch of other guys.

 

[nonoob]

Ngannou himself said this was the contract he was presented with by the UFC.

Both sentences from your previous post indicated your "proof", yet you still show none at all.

Please show us proof jbj would fight ANY HW - before his safety AFTER Francis left as champion.

 

[AmonTobin]

Of course he didn't accept a fight. Jones wanted nothing to do with that fight. Francis was active for 3 years while Jones sat out doing nothing, he could've had the fight any time he wanted esp after Francis beat Stipe. Jones ducked, that is so painfully obvious if you look at it objectively. It's not like he was fighting other people and occupied, he waited until a safer, easier fight for the HW belt presented itself. Jones ducked because he was scared of losing his legacy to one of those glancing shots from Francis that put away a bunch of other guys.

It's hard for me to see it any other way, based on Jones' HW decision making (wanting Gane & Miocic, dismissing Pavlovich) and since we've got nothing else to work with from Jones or White but hearsay. If Jones is distancing himself from Pavlovich why am I supposed to believe that he would want to fight Ngannou?

 

[dipstickjimmy]

What does that Tweet tell you?

That tweet confirms that Jon knows that the $8 Million offered to Francis was in Jon's own words "Way too low". No wonder Francis left.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

If Jones is distancing himself from Pavlovich why am I supposed to believe that he would want to fight Ngannou?

Risk vs Reward.
Lets assume Pav and Frank are both 50% to KO Jon and 50% to get taken down and subbed. Jon loses to Frank and he lost to the reigning UFC champion who is known globally and comes with a massive paycheck. Pav is the same risk but losing to him is losing to a pasty white guy nobody knows relative to Frank. The paycheck would IMO be 20% or less compared to fighting Frank.

 

[AmonTobin]

Risk vs Reward.
Lets assume Pav and Frank are both 50% to KO Jon and 50% to get taken down and subbed. Jon loses to Frank and he lost to the reigning UFC champion who is known globally and comes with a massive paycheck. Pav is the same risk but losing to him is losing to a pasty white guy nobody knows relative to Frank. The paycheck would IMO be 20% or less compared to fighting Frank.

I can appreciate that. Maybe I just have unrealistic expectations of Jones' move to HW. What about the case for Jones-Pavlovich instead of Jones-Miocic? Does Miocic have that risk-reward ratio? Do enough people know or remember who he is? I see the danger in Pavlovich fight but is he not a hot sell right now (6 TKO streak record)?

 

[Shilajit]

Both sentences from your previous post indicated your "proof", yet you still show none at all.

Please show us proof jbj would fight ANY HW - before his safety AFTER Francis left as champion.

I'm not sure what you guys are failing to understand here.

The contract Ngannou was offered proves that Jones had come to an agreement. Otherwise it wouldn't be legal.

You cannot offer something in a legal, binding contract that you do not have.

Especially considering that fight was the main focal point of the contract and bargaining chip to coerce Frank into staying.

Do you believe they offered him a contract based on a fight that they couldn't even guarantee? A multi billion dollar company?

Everything in the media indicated that Jones had already come to an agreement back In December 2022 as well. With the UFC eyeing his return in March.

Frank was still in the midst of negotiations, a fact that Dana and the UFC made very clear.

If Jones hadn't come to an agreement yet, then it would be known in a very similar way.

But instead we seen an actual date for his comeback.

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2022...ght-francis-ngannou-curtis-blaydes-ciryl-gane


It's a matter of reading between the lines.

 

[Shilajit]

Both sentences from your previous post indicated your "proof", yet you still show none at all.

Please show us proof jbj would fight ANY HW - before his safety AFTER Francis left as champion.

You're asserting that Jones ran from Ngannou and ducked him.

And yet he's the one who called out Ngannou for a super fight before he was even champ back in 2021.

He's the one who's been gaining weight for 2 years to fight him.

Discussed and hyped up the potential matchup on podcasts, interviews, tweets.

And ultimately is the one who ended up signing the contract.

The mental gymnastics required to twist reality like some of you guys are doing here is pretty wild.

 

[AmonTobin]

I'm not sure what you guys are failing to understand here.

The contract Ngannou was offered proves that Jones had come to an agreement. Otherwise it wouldn't be legal.

You cannot offer something in a legal, binding contract that you do not have.

Especially considering that fight was the main focal point of the contract and bargaining chip to coerce Frank into staying.

Everything in the media indicated that Jones had already come to an agreement back In December 2022. With the UFC eyeing his return in March.

Frank was still in the midst of negotiations, a fact that Dana and the UFC made very clear.

If Jones hadn't come to an agreement yet, then it would be known in a very similar way.

But instead we see an actual date for his comeback.

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2022...ght-francis-ngannou-curtis-blaydes-ciryl-gane


It's a matter of reading between the lines.

That's not evidence. It literally states in the first couple of paragraphs that the opponent was undetermined and that it was unclear and even likely that Ngannou was going to be released. Jones could arguably have been preparing for Ciryl Gane.

 

[Kevster]

Nobody can provide “proof” he didn’t either.

 

[Shilajit]

That's not evidence. It literally states in the first couple of paragraphs that the opponent was undetermined and that it was unclear if Ngannou was going to be release.

So, do you think the UFC offered Frank a contract based on a fight that they couldn't even guarantee?

A multi billion dollar company opening themselves up to a massive shit storm of legal issues?

They're not offering him that contract in writing unless Jones was signed.

It's that simple..there is nothing more to argue here.

If you think otherwise, then prove otherwise. Tell me how this makes sense in your mind.

 

[AmonTobin]

I'm not sure what you guys are failing to understand here.


But instead we seen an actual date for his comeback.


It's a matter of reading between the lines.

Is that why you're double spacing?

 

[icemun]

Took a decade to move up too lol.
Waited for everyone worth a damn to leave sir.

Im sure thats what Jones was doing.

Waiting for DC's little buddy Cain to fight JDS a 5th time and then go on a shooting spree and become a luchador

 

[AmonTobin]

So, do you think the UFC offered Frank a contract based on a fight that they couldn't even guarantee?

You can't guarantee any fight. Ever. There's unforeseen injures, illnesses, just as examples.

 

[AmonTobin]

MODS: If you happen to pass through and find any of the responses from @Shilajit or @icemun less than helpful, feel free to clean up their mess. Much appreciated.
@icemun especially. He just keeps cluttering threads with the same hateful cut and paste garbage.

 

[Shilajit]

That's not evidence. It literally states in the first couple of paragraphs that the opponent was undetermined and that it was unclear and even likely that Ngannou was going to be released. Jones could arguably have been preparing for Ciryl Gane.

And no it's not evidence. But when you have dates being drawn up for Jones return being released to the major MMA media outlets, historically speaking, it's a good sign that he's come to an agreement.

And again, when negotiations are happening, Dana and the UFC is very vocal. Because they use the public pressure as a strong arm negotiation tactic.

If Jones hadn't signed yet, it would've been very public, just like Ngannou

 

[AmonTobin]

And no it's not evidence. But when you have dates being drawn up for Jones return being released to the major MMA media outlets, historically speaking, it's a good sign that he's come to an agreement.

And again, when negotiations are happening, Dana and the UFC is very vocal. Because they use the public pressure as a strong arm negotiation tactic.

If Jones hadn't signed yet, it would've been very public, just like Ngannou

I'm sorry but this just isn't helpful and doesn't bring us any closer to a truthful answer to my questions. This is all assumption, presumption, and speculation.

 

[Shilajit]

You can't guarantee any fight. Ever. There's unforeseen injures, illnesses, just as examples.

If Jones and Ngannou were both signed and Jones decided he wanted to stay retired, ended up with a career ending disease or injury then that's a different story.

But you cannot offer a fight in a legal binding document unless Jones was already signed.

It's that simple.


You don't seem to understand the basics of how a contract works.

 

[AmonTobin]

If Jones and Ngannou were both signed and Jones decided he wanted to stay retired, that's a different story.

Exactly. So if Jones doesn't want to fight Ngannou, he can just stay retired. How can you say with a straight face that that's not what he did? Are you starting to understand?

 

[StonedLemur]

Im sure thats what Jones was doing.

Waiting for DC's little buddy Cain to fight JDS a 5th time and then go on a shooting spree and become a luchador

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Im not the one that said I was going to move up in 2013 sir.