So who wants to talk about the min wage increase?

[Badger67]

So Ontario just increased it's minimum wage to 14 bucks an hour, and will increase it again to 15 bucks an hour by next year.

That's a 30 percent increase to minimum wage in less than 18 months!

And every god damn analyst told our bitch ass government not to do it. The banks projected a possible 60k+ of job loss through the course of the next year. Economy experts explained that such a drastic increase was too much, too soon.

But our fucking dumb ass libtard government proclaimed "it's the right thing to do!"

Well this report just happened.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-employment-january-1.4527905

88000 part jobs are now cut. And that's just within the first month! I'm sure theirs more to come.

I hope those 88000 vote conservative in the upcoming election which is really the actual reason why this idiot increase happened. They just went from making 12 dollars an hour to 0 dollars an hour! Because "it was the right thing to do"

Liberals. Fucking up economies like nobodies buisness!

There was an increase in 49000 full time jobs. The job loss was largely part time. They still arent sure how to interpret this yet and want to see what the next year does.

 

[irish_thug]

It was stupid of them to raise it so fast, but let's not pretend the poor innocent corporations were forced to bring in automation because of this. If they can replace you with a robot they will.

Automation is inevitable. But massive increases in minimum wage incentivize it.

 

[irish_thug]

I banged a bitty from West Caldwell, we're even.

And attractive women and goaltenders are the the only reason we keep Quebec around. Otherwise we would send our tank and helicopter in and push their igloos around

And poutine.

 

[irish_thug]

Let's not ignore places like Tim Horton's cancelling employee benefits to compensate for the increase in wages.

 

[Tiny]

There was an increase in 49000 full time jobs. The job loss was largely part time. They still arent sure how to interpret this yet and want to see what the next year does.

Full time jobs have nothing to do with min wage increase.

As far as interpreting it? I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to understand that these facts

- increase kicked in in January in Ontario
- Ontario was the largest his in part time job losses in January
- This is the largest drop in part time jobs since what? 2002?

But I get it...nobody wants to come out and say "told ya so!" just yet.

Bank analysts suggested that as many as 66 000 part time jobs could be lost due to this wage increase. We've surpassed that number in one month.

I don't see the incentive for MORE part time job creation unless the gubbment wants to create them to pad the numbers before election. Which is a bandaid on a bigger problem that does nothing to solve small business owners struggling to adapt to such a drastic increase in such a short period of time.

This is just another case of a libtard government making a drastic, idiotic choice for votes. Long term consequences be damned!

 

[Tiny]

Let's not ignore places like Tim Horton's cancelling employee benefits to compensate for the increase in wages.

The Horton's franchise enforces prices nation wide regardless of what is happening with the economy or with salaries. As such, franchise owners needed to get creative in swallowing a fucking 30 percent increase in wages to part time staff.

 

[irish_thug]

The Horton's franchise enforces prices nation wide regardless of what is happening with the economy or with salaries. As such, franchise owners needed to get creative in swallowing a fucking 30 percent increase in wages to part time staff.

Precisely

 

[Andy Capp]

it certainly doesn't give incentive though. people already abuse welfare and disability. this will just be another thing abused or relied on.

Do you have a source for any data about the prevalence of welfare abuse? I don't think it happens as much as people think.

 

[Tiny]

Do you have a source for any data about the prevalence of welfare abuse? I don't think it happens as much as people think.

Do you have an evidence that it doesn't happen? I don't think people realize just how much people abuse monetary charity systems...

 

[irish_thug]

Do you have a source for any data about the prevalence of welfare abuse? I don't think it happens as much as people think.

My evidence is primarily anecdotal, so easily discredited. I spent several years working for Toronto housing which houses roughly a quarter million people. I witnessed first-hand hundreds of examples of people capable of working, but choosing not to. Not disclosing income to avoid paying rent (rent geared to income). I knew one guy who was offered full-time work, but limited himself to part time hours so his rent wouldn't go up. A freelance photographer with 10's of thousands in photography equipment paying $115 a month in tax payer funded rent. Dozens of drug dealers and prostitutes abusing a system designed to help people.

 

[Andy Capp]

My evidence is primarily anecdotal, so easily discredited. I spent several years working for Toronto housing which houses roughly a quarter million people. I witnessed first-hand hundreds of examples of people capable of working, but choosing not to. Not disclosing income to avoid paying rent (rent geared to income). I knew one guy who was offered full-time work, but limited himself to part time hours so his rent wouldn't go up. A freelance photographer with 10's of thousands in photography equipment paying $115 a month in tax payer funded rent. Dozens of drug dealers and prostitutes abusing a system designed to help people.

Of course, the only people who aren't a bit disgusted by that are the people doing it, probably, but I would love to see some real data about how much of a problem it really is; it seems to be brought up as a major issue. I suspect in terms of the actual amount of money it costs the government, there are far greater fiscal concerns that deserve attention.

I'm not holding fast to this opinion for the same reason I bring it up in the first place. I have never seen any source from people claiming it's a big problem and I don't have one for my own opinion either.
Edit: @Tiny

 

[Andy Capp]

FWIW, I think the increase is a good idea, but it was too big a jump all at once. It could have been phased in more gradually. As it is, sadly, times may be hard for a bit for some people, but I think it's going to be beneficial in the long run.

 

[Badger67]

My evidence is primarily anecdotal, so easily discredited. I spent several years working for Toronto housing which houses roughly a quarter million people. I witnessed first-hand hundreds of examples of people capable of working, but choosing not to. Not disclosing income to avoid paying rent (rent geared to income). I knew one guy who was offered full-time work, but limited himself to part time hours so his rent wouldn't go up. A freelance photographer with 10's of thousands in photography equipment paying $115 a month in tax payer funded rent. Dozens of drug dealers and prostitutes abusing a system designed to help people.

Regent park has prettt much always been like this. Parliament and shuter fo lyfe. Jk i hated that fucking place.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

MW wage positions are predominately held by people between the age of 15-23 in Ontario -- working in sectors with high turn over rates. The people who are definitely affected the most is that adult who worked and stuck with a menial job for 2-3 years, to get up to 14-15 bucks an hour who now will not see a bump in pay for years -- while now having to training that new 16 year old who makes the same amount of money. Morale is going to be shot among a lot of faithful employees.

Small business are already letting people go / increasing their prices and others are just going to stop giving pay raises to mid tier laborers.

 

[irish_thug]

FWIW, I think the increase is a good idea, but it was too big a jump all at once. It could have been phased in more gradually. As it is, sadly, times may be hard for a bit for some people, but I think it's going to be beneficial in the long run.

I would have been fine with it increasing faster than inflation, but not that fast.

 

[irish_thug]

Regent park has prettt much always been like this. Parliament and shuter fo lyfe. Jk i hated that fucking place.

those were the areas I worked. You grow up there?

 

[Badger67]

those were the areas I worked. You grow up there?

Til i was 12 yeah. Mother grew up there too with my grandma. Then we moved up north by 6 hours. Stark difference in people interactions.

 

[irish_thug]

Til i was 12 yeah. Mother grew up there too with my grandma. Then we moved up north by 6 hours. Stark difference in people interactions.

Probably the best thing that could have happened to you. I watched good kids get their lives destroyed. Nothing like seeing a kid you played video games with shot dead on a street corner.

 

[splendica]

Simple eye test: go to your local mall food court and see how many franchises have closed since the forced min raise (see how many store fronts are boarded up or in darkness). A fifth? A quarter? An eighth? I'll bet it's a significant number.

 

[Makani]

MW wage positions are predominately held by people between the age of 15-23 in Ontario -- working in sectors with high turn over rates. The people who are definitely affected the most is that adult who worked and stuck with a menial job for 2-3 years, to get up to 14-15 bucks an hour who now will not see a bump in pay for years -- while now having to training that new 16 year old who makes the same amount of money. Morale is going to be shot among a lot of faithful employees.

Small business are already letting people go / increasing their prices and others are just going to stop giving pay raises to mid tier laborers.

My girlfriend is in that situation at the customs brokerage she works at. She's been there almost 3 years, and she can do almost everything the 20 year people can do, so they get her to train the new people cause she's still young like them. She makes a little over 15, so next year she'll be training people who know absolutely nothing but make the same as her. I make >20 an hour, so I can't complain, though it's going to be a little weird working with college kids making 15.

But, it is my opinion that wage suppression has been very real for a while now. It's been a war between corporations maximizing shareholder value and ordinary people wanting a living wage. The problem with this battle is that small businesses and the lower-middle class always seem to get caught in the middle.