So, what's better, leave being in prime like Khabib or retire on the shield like Tony?

[markg171]

Accomplishments are relative to weight class

New Khabib talking points just dropped.

 

[PunchyMcSplodo]

New Khabib talking points just dropped.

I've been saying this for years, including directly as a response to your usual idiocy.

Apparently you still haven't learned enough math to understand the significance of the difference between a weight class of 30 - 40 fighters and one with 90 people, or how that effects how easy it is to crack the top 10, how fast one can enter title contention, competitive difficulty, etc.

 

[markg171]

I've been saying this for years, including directly as a response to your usual idiocy.

Apparently you still haven't learned enough math to understand the significance of the difference between a weight class of 30 - 40 fighters and one with 90 people, or how that effects how easy it is to crack the top 10, how fast one can enter title contention, competitive difficulty, etc.

Apparently you somehow haven't ever realized that the vast majority of champions don't have more than 3 defences either. Regardless of weight classes.

That the Jones, Andersons, GSPs, Mighty Mouses, etc., stand out so much precisely because that's so unusual to go on such a long streak and that they themselves had to break the existing much shorter amounts. Regardless of weight class.

It's almost like that's what makes them GOATs or something.

Or you're just purposefully being facetious.

 

[Mike]

Lol gee I wonder.

 

[PunchyMcSplodo]

Apparently you somehow haven't ever realized that the vast majority of champions don't have more than 3 defences either. Regardless of weight classes.

What a meaningless attempt to distract from simple mathematical reality.

There's a reason GSP could first challenge Hughes for the title off a fucking 2 fight UFC win streak as soon as he left the regionals. Welterweight had like, what, 24 people in it or something like that?

Do you think that's anywhere close to the same thing as having to try and crack the Top 10 (and then eventually enter title contention) in a division that's 90 fighters deep? Do you want to compare what the average win streak needed to earn first-time title contention is between post-2012 LW and, say, WW during the GSP era, or worse, LHW during the Jones era and later? Jones had multiple contenders facing him off LOSSES.

But, of course you don't actually believe any of the shit you're trying to peddle, because everyone understands this when we use the most extreme examples: No one, and I mean no one, pretends Top 10 status, contendership, title defenses, etc. between Women's featherweight and strawweight mean the same thing, for all the reasons I listed above.

That's just the most obvious and extreme example of the difference depth of competition makes, and obviously the gap between the male divisions is smaller, but it's the same principle at work.

 

[Rod Farva]

If you’re a brain, you want the fighter to retire on top.
If the fighter is your cash register, you want him to hang on as long as possible.

 

[ZCrz]

Khabib could get off the couch today and beat the brakes off Bobby green tony was just getting a check for his upcoming case

Retire on top is the obvious answer.

 

[markg171]

What a meaningless attempt to distract from simple mathematical reality.

There's a reason GSP could first challenge Hughes for the title off a fucking 2 fight UFC win streak as soon as he left the regionals. Welterweight had like, what, 24 people in it or something like that?

Do you think that's anywhere close to the same thing as having to try and crack the Top 10 (and then eventually enter title contention) in a division that's 90 fighters deep? Do you want to compare what the average win streak needed to earn first-time title contention is between post-2012 LW and, say, WW during the GSP era, or worse, LHW during the Jones era and later? Jones had multiple contenders facing him off LOSSES.

But, of course you don't actually believe any of the shit you're trying to peddle, because everyone understands this when we use the most extreme examples: No one, and I mean no one, pretends Top 10 status, contendership, title defenses, etc. between Women's featherweight and strawweight mean the same thing, for all the reasons I listed above.

That's just the most obvious and extreme example of the difference depth of competition makes, and obviously the gap between the male divisions is smaller, but it's the same principle at work.

Brb looking for Khabib title defences

...

Yup, it's still only 3.

 

[Clover87]

Mods, add poll please.
No we saw two models of retirement. First is to retire on peak (but obviously with some fights left in you). On other hand there's Tony who gave it all, but his losing streak looks terrible.

I weigh only two things. Money and damage. From what I understand Khabib has the luxury of apparently being wealthy enough to basically never need to work again and such fame in parts of the Muslim/ Russian world that his name is worth a bunch of money.

Tony on the other hand, the 150k or so he seems to make these days from getting his butt kicked is probably very important to his family.

Tony will keep going as long as he can, khabib didn't need to do it.

Obviously ending your career like khabib is better than how Tony (and most fighters across combat sports) ends. When you cant hack it anymore and you've got to go get a job.

F the fans, f legacy. That's all bs. These guys don't care.

Anyone with a brain would take khabibs ending.

 

[PunchyMcSplodo]

Brb looking for Khabib title defences

...

Yup, it's still only 3.

*Yawn*

Everything I said still stands, which is why you couldn't address it.

There's a reason the LW record is 3, not just Khabib's. The fighters there usually have to rack up insane win streaks before getting their first title shots, or at least come in with insane win streaks and championship belts from other orgs. And a roster that deep creates incredible competitive pressure to excel, which is why it's almost always been considered the best division for most of the last 13 years.

LW fighters can't casually earn a title shot after a handful of non-championship regional fights and a two fight UFC win streak (GSP), or rack up multiple title defenses against fighters literally coming off losses or one fight win streaks (Jones).

 

[Neck&Neck]

Eating Prime rib and not fighting at all

 

[markg171]

*Yawn*

Everything I said still stands, which is why you couldn't address it.

There's a reason the LW record is 3, not just Khabib's. The fighters there usually have to rack up insane win streaks before getting their first title shots, or at least come in with insane win streaks and championship belts from other orgs. And a roster that deep creates incredible competitive pressure to excel, which is why it's almost always been considered the best division for most of the last 13 years.

LW fighters can't casually earn a title shot after a handful of non-championship regional fights and a two fight UFC win streak (GSP), or rack up multiple title defenses against fighters literally coming off losses or one fight win streaks (Jones).

Wouldn't know mate cause Khabib ran after only defending his belt 3x instead of having 16 title fights in a row.

 

[PunchyMcSplodo]

Wouldn't know mate cause Khabib ran after only defending his belt 3x instead of having 16 title fights in a row.

Easier to have 16 title fights when you can earn title shots off one to two fight win streaks in a division literally a fourth or third the size. lol

Someone like Drew Dober would have already fought for the title (and lost, sure) twice if LW were like the 2000s WW or Jones's LHW.

 

[I_IZ_BACK]

Obviously like Khabib. CTE Tony is just sad to watch to be honest

 

[StonedLemur]

Better from fighter's legacy perspective.

That of course depends on the fighter sir.

 

[StonedLemur]

Lol- obviously somewhere in the middle. Tony should've been done awhile ago and khabib committed a greater crime with SO MUCH meat left on the bone .

Greater crime sir?
Yes, I'm sure he wanted his father to die.
I also don't think he cares what a bunch of nerds like us think about his situation.

 

[StonedLemur]

CTE is a real thing and Tony has absorbed a ton of damage in his past 6 loses.

I don't know why you watch this stuff sir.
Nobody...in any contact sport is coming out unscathed.

 

[djacobox372]

I have more respect for those that leave it all in the cage/ring.

You can tell a lot about a fighters greatness in how they're able to stay competitive in to their late 30s and early 40s.. the fact that Anderson Silva went the distance with Izzy and DC in his 40's is impressive as hell and cements him as GOAT IMO.

 

[StonedLemur]

Very few can bring themselves to let go of fame and the attention that comes with it. They typically want to squeeze every last drop out of the well. I can't imagine how difficult it must be. It is the smart, disciplined, and probably humble man that can walk away before the time comes where they are talking the talk but no longer able to walk the walk. I think that is why older men get so frustrated with youth, they don't want to watch a young man under utilize his talents. The old man knows the shortness of it all.

Far, far better to walk away early than too late.

This fuckin post should be tattooed on the foreheads of the ignorant sir.
Absolutely beautifully said you beautiful bastad.

 

[Deleted member 579182]

Easier to have 16 title fights when you can earn title shots off one to two fight win streaks in a division literally a fourth or third the size. lol

Someone like Drew Dober would have already fought for the title (and lost, sure) twice if LW were like the 2000s WW or Jones's LHW.

Justin Gaethje 1 fight win streak (soon to get another go with 2 wins)
Michael Chandler 1 fight win streak
Conor Mcgregor 1 fight win streak
Charles Oliviera 1 fight win streak
Eddie Alvarez 2 fight win streak

And Drew can't sniff a title shot in the manlet 155 division, unranked lhws would throw him around like a child.