Media So was Leon Edwards trying to eye poke before getting knocked out?

[maximus__]

It's preferable to frame off someone's head with an open palm if you are wearing a glove with finger openings. You just have a better ability to get control with a grip using fingers/the palm of your hand/glove. Sticking out your hand with a closed fist to frame is basically throwing a powerless jab.

I agree that it's abused as a default technique because you aren't punished for eye pokes, so you might as well dissuade your opponent from running into your fingers on top of getting a better control of their face/head to push off of.

It's definitely also an equipment issue though, which is why you don't see many eye pokes in Bellator/PFL or ONE, since their gloves naturally curl the fingers into a fist so you have to actively open your hand with a lot of force to keep your hand open/fingers outstretched.

Yeah man, I agree it's a better way to post on someone. My comment was purely about the misconception that it comes from kickboxing or muay thai.
Kickboxers and Muay Thai strikers can't do it, because their gloves stop them. They can't reach out and frame. They never train to extend their fingers as a bad habit.It's people doing it by choice in MMA gloves reaching out.

"If anything it's a bad instinct/trechnique from kickboxing training where you try to frame off a guys head when he rushes in with your lead hand, so we'll see this quite often in fights where someone is trying to keep range against a blitz (like Gane vs. Aspinal). Leon also did it against Belal and it was very similar."

That's what I was referring to. There is no bad instinct from Kickboxing. Guys from kickboxing and Muay Thai aren't the ones poking people in the eyes. It's MMA guys who reach out.

 

[Crash Lance]

Yeah man, I agree it's a better way to post on someone. My comment was purely about the misconception that it comes from kickboxing or muay thai.
Kickboxers and Muay Thai strikers can't do it, because their gloves stop them. They can't reach out and frame. They never train to extend their fingers as a bad habit.It's people doing it by choice in MMA gloves reaching out.

"If anything it's a bad instinct/trechnique from kickboxing training where you try to frame off a guys head when he rushes in with your lead hand, so we'll see this quite often in fights where someone is trying to keep range against a blitz (like Gane vs. Aspinal). Leon also did it against Belal and it was very similar."

That's what I was referring to. There is no bad instinct from Kickboxing. Guys from kickboxing and Muay Thai aren't the ones poking people in the eyes. It's MMA guys who reach out.

In my opinion, the MMA fighters are reaching out on purpose. Jones, Edwards, Ciryl, and other MMA fighters are spending time in the gym in order to actually train reaching out on purpose and doing Intentional Eye Gouges and Intentional Eye Pokes.

 

[TheMMAnalyst]

Yeah man, I agree it's a better way to post on someone. My comment was purely about the misconception that it comes from kickboxing or muay thai.
Kickboxers and Muay Thai strikers can't do it, because their gloves stop them. They can't reach out and frame. They never train to extend their fingers as a bad habit.It's people doing it by choice in MMA gloves reaching out.

"If anything it's a bad instinct/trechnique from kickboxing training where you try to frame off a guys head when he rushes in with your lead hand, so we'll see this quite often in fights where someone is trying to keep range against a blitz (like Gane vs. Aspinal). Leon also did it against Belal and it was very similar."

That's what I was referring to. There is no bad instinct from Kickboxing. Guys from kickboxing and Muay Thai aren't the ones poking people in the eyes. It's MMA guys who reach out.

Kickboxers and Muy Thai fighters still use frames with gloves (or forearms even in Muy Thai).

Once you change the gloves better strikers will want to use hand frames when possible, pretty much all the best fighters that use a kickboxing style use them and are also constantly putting a hand outstretched with fingers open to gauge distance.

If you adapt kickboxing as a style for MMA you can’t fight with both fists balled up because you need to defend takedowns, defend strikes in a variety of methods (block, catch, parry). How you use your lead hand is going to be far more varied and require all different positions and grips. It’s just a whole different ballgame.

 

[Cowboy Kurt Angle]

Yes

 

[Xanzito]

He saw his hero Jon Jones do it once.

Once?

 

[asdf122345]

Is gane next to get knock out?

 

[maximus__]

Kickboxers and Muy Thai fighters still use frames with gloves (or forearms even in Muy Thai).

Once you change the gloves better strikers will want to use hand frames when possible, pretty much all the best fighters that use a kickboxing style use them and are also constantly putting a hand outstretched with fingers open to gauge distance.

If you adapt kickboxing as a style for MMA you can’t fight with both fists balled up because you need to defend takedowns, defend strikes in a variety of methods (block, catch, parry). How you use your lead hand is going to be far more varied and require all different positions and grips. It’s just a whole different ballgame.

Yes but their fist is closed when they do that. You can frame with your forearm in MMA without poking someone in the eyes.

It's not better strikers doing it. It's everyone in MMA. It's not from Kickboxing.

You can open your hand when you need to defend takedowns. The rules say you can't extend with fingers outstretched, it doesn't matter if it's better.

 

[teamfox223]

So that's the counter to eye poke, straight left.