Should we reconsider weight legacies...

Benoitthegr8 said:
Unless you’re beating a can like Alvarez or a cyclops In Bisping
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Just because Conor put on the best championship performance in UFC history doesnt mean Alvarez is a can. It just means Conor was that good.
 
Benoitthegr8 said:
LW is overrated, there’s a thread stating such on Sherdog,...

Bellator is a renowned producer of Champ/Contender level cans, Alvarez=Can, Chandler=Can, AssGrin=Can, Lombard=Can, Giblert, Soto, Brooks, ect...Cans

CONCLUSION
The combined UFC record for Bellator champions is 21 wins with 27 losses for a 43.7% win rate.
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Yeah sure, all these fighters are cans...:rolleyes:
 
Katsushyro said:
I agree with your first point, but GSP and Khabib are objectively part of different weight classes, as they did make weight and compete in different weight classes.
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Khabib debuted at 19 years old as a lightweight. He weighed in only twice at that weight, but racked up 4 lightweight fights on his record due to a tournament. Then he took a year off and came back as a 20 year old welterweight. He fought his next 11 fights at welterweight.

Upon signing with the UFC, Khabib decided to try to make the lightweight limit again. It was a struggle to say the least. He missed weight multiple times, pulled out on the day of weigh-ins, was extremely inactive (8 fights in 7 years), and looked unsteady on the scale at recent weigh-ins. The end result was he only fought 11 times at lightweight in the UFC, which ironically is the same number of times he fought at welterweight prior to coming to the UFC. His other UFC fights were changed to catchweights.
 
someone like matt hughes would be small for today's LW division
but the guys he was fighting were all his size or smaller

so no, we don't need to reconsider an individual's legacy with respect to weight. we have to keep in mind that the weight classes have shifted as a whole.
 
Askren’s chin said:
Yea Khabib is probably bigger than prime gsp which is crazy to think about
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No way.


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Murder_KickHC said:
Being Double Champ in two different weight classes is way more impressive than lets say 5-6 title defences.
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Strongly disagree. I would say that it *could* be more impressive under certain circumstances, but the blanket claim ignores all context.

For example, there is no way in hell that what Conor did was "way more impressive" that what GSP, Silva, Jones, etc. accomplished in their home divisions with so many title defenses.

Also, the challenger is generally facing less pressure than the champion. For example, Izzy had nothing to lose by moving up and challenging Jan. He knew going in that win or lose he would still be MW champ and undefeated in that division...this was pure opportunity. Compare that to the pressure a champ faces defending 5-6 times...each time out, they risk losing everything.
 
It is foolish trying to put any of these type statements in a box as fact.

It is all about the details.
Who they fought and how they did in those fights.

For some stupid reason people always want to judge things in the past by standards of the present. All fighters can do is fight the people in their era. If a fight beats the guys they put across from him, and he faced the best of his time, that is all that we should reasonably ask of a fighter, as fans. If you can’t do that you are being irrational.
 
The Chosen said:
That means Khabib could be MW champ
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No. It means he was fighting a weight class below his natural one and two of his four good wins were against blown up FWs lmao
Make MMA Great Again said:
Never being wobbled, hurt, cut, finished or even remotely in trouble is more impressive than tapping out multiple times in your prime.
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what if you’re a WW fighting FWs and real estate agents though?
 
Johnnny said:
Khabib debuted at 19 years old as a lightweight. He weighed in only twice at that weight, but racked up 4 lightweight fights on his record due to a tournament. Then he took a year off and came back as a 20 year old welterweight. He fought his next 11 fights at welterweight.

Upon signing with the UFC, Khabib decided to try to make the lightweight limit again. It was a struggle to say the least. He missed weight multiple times, pulled out on the day of weigh-ins, was extremely inactive (8 fights in 7 years), and looked unsteady on the scale at recent weigh-ins. The end result was he only fought 11 times at lightweight in the UFC, which ironically is the same number of times he fought at welterweight prior to coming to the UFC. His other UFC fights were changed to catchweights.
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Khabib fought 5 time at 155 prior to entering the UFC, not 4. Weighing in at 155 3 times. Khabib notably cut little to no weight to make the 170lbs limit. Making weight multiple months in a row on several occasions.

UFC offered him a contract to fight at 155 ( not his choice) which he accepted. He missed weight once against Trujillo following an injury he sustained in camp. And had to pull out while attempting to cut weight another time. In this incident he notably was long overdue for spinal surgery which he had to undergo during the following lay off. Upon coming back Khabib made championship weight without issue.

In his most recent fight against Gaethje he made weight despite missing out on a month and a half of his camp dude to being hospitalized and having an in camp injury. Making weight on a shortened time table while injured is a clear display of how minor the cut must have been.
 
Jesus H. Sherdog said:
No. It means he was fighting a weight class below his natural one and two of his four good wins were against blown up FWs lmao

what if you’re a WW fighting FWs and real estate agents though?
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Conor and Dustin are FWs despite cutting massive amounts to make 145 but Khabib is a WW despite not even being the biggest LW?

Lol ok
 
NOPE TOO CONFUSING LOL
 
FlyingDeathKick said:
I strongly disagree. DC managed to win 2 belts but never managed more than 1 successful defense. Conor won 2 belts and never defended either.
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And who do fans and supposed pundits of the sport is the better fw?
Aldos dominant title reign or Conor cuz champ champ
 
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