Should they ban assault weapons?

[Protectandserve]

So if a ban goes through how would that work? Are those crying for evil AR15's to be banned going to want the millions in circulation confiscated? Do they think the millions of AR owners will just register their guns, hand them over and that's it? Is the government going to pay people the MSRP value for their guns?

Or do they want the police to play big brother and start confiscating them? That would go very badly.

Even if no more AR type weapons were made today or ever sold again, there are so many in circulation right now it's a moot point...

 

[Paradigm]

The term "assault rifle" is almost meaningless. They should debate specific features they want to ban or control.

You're mixing "assault weapon" with "assault rifle"...which is what the gun control people want you to do.

I'm conflicted. On one hand, these weapons are weapons of war. I don't give a fuck how you try to word it, the AR model is a war weapon. It's functionally the same as the M4/M16s we used. As long as people have easy access to these types of weapons, mass murder via gun violence will still occur at the rates we see today.

On the other hand, as a victim of gun violence and veteran, I'm not depending on the police to save me in a tight spot. They will only be there to clean up the mess. We are also given the right via the second amendment. if we are truly disarmed, then there is no defense against a corrupt government.

I just think if 4 or 5 sober and trained people were in that building with their weapons, maybe someone could have stopped that monster. The problem with banning these weapons is there are already hundreds of thousands of them on the streets. If you ban them, you turn control of those weapons to criminals. How does that make anyone any safer?

More people die from handguns than rifles each year...why aren't you calling for a handgun ban? Or a ban on fat fucks eating cheeseburgers that ups my health insurance premiums???

 

[IDL]

Are brass knucks and bats considered assault weapons?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

I'm conflicted. On one hand, these weapons are weapons of war. I don't give a fuck how you try to word it, the AR model is a war weapon. It's functionally the same as the M4/M16s we used. As long as people have easy access to these types of weapons, mass murder via gun violence will still occur at the rates we see today.

By "functionally the same" you mean the AR is in fact functionally inferior, right? Last I knew select fire was such a big difference that it needed restricted in the 30's and ultimately removed from the civilian market in the '80's.

What is the mass murder rate you'd like to achieve and what makes you think banning a type of semi-auto rifle is going to get us there?

Ps. The cops aren't at war any more than the citizens are, so law enforcement doesn't need these either, do they?

 

[Hogey]

Yes, ban them. But I'd like to go further and say ban all guns and they should be all turned in to the government. Nobody needs guns. Everyone has a cellphone. If you need help, call 911. Only police, ONLY when on-duty, and active duty military, serving in a time of war, with a combat job, should be able to handle weapons and even then, after every shift, they should all be collected and locked up until the next work day.

Damn they finally got you.

 

[Irenaeus]

While I'm of the personal opinion that any democratic society practicing a rule by law who doesn't restrict, regulate and keep records of all kinds of gun possession is on the wrong track, an "assault weapon ban" seems both meaningless and not directed towards the main problem.

If a society actually wants to reduce gun violence (at the cost of some personal freedoms), require weapons permits for both ownership and carrying and eliminate undocumented reselling of guns. Apply more severe restrictions against handguns specifically. And here's the hard part: keep that shit up for a likely rough transition of at least a decade.

Not the US way, I'm sure. But I think an assault weapons ban would do fuck all. It just seems like you do something.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

It's such a hard question. No we should absolutely not ban semi auto long guns.

I'm a drum mag loving guy. For shooting it's the best, plus they look sexy af. I can absolutely understand why many people want a 10 round cap.

Yet when I had my AK I trained to be able to replace my mag in maybe a second . Use the magazine to pop the last mag horizontally, then rock and rack the next, generally in a matter of a second.

Now some would argue that that means semi auto rifles in general are inherently more dangerous. But I can pop a shell into a break over shotgun in roughly a second two two seconds more over a mag fed Saiga.

So in my opinion unless you're wanting to ban all semi automatic weapons, a trained hand will trump all, and trained hands in firearms generally dedicate themselves to sport shooting, and it's very rare a sports shooter goes on a killing spree .

 

[voxom]

crazy. the assault weapon ban was so effective that it actually started a downward trend in homicides BEFORE the ban actually happened

 

[Strychnine]

Well I'm of the opinion that if you are going to be taking people's due process away it better be a better system than just no fly no buy.

I'm not sure how the terror watch list works but imo that already sounds like a better list to go after? Maybe I'm wrong.

Out of curiosity has a no fly member ever done a mass shooting that could have been prevented by this legislation. The Orlando guy wasn't on the no fly list.

First of all thanks for answering me like I'm a person and not someone who's trying to undermine our great Nation.

Well, we all know (now) that info is being gathered on everyone left, right, and center. Now arguing the legality of that isn't for this thread, but I'm hoping that we can find something to do to try to quell the violence. Adding more firearms into the mix hasn't proved to be the answer.

As far as I know there hasn't been anything like what you described, but are we willing to wait for it to happen?

I'm actually looking to buy an AK (maybe for my birthday...) Either that or a new video card for my gaming P.C....

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Knowing how liberal this forum can be, I'm pleasantly surprised of the poll results.

 

[Strychnine]

You are aware that the ACLU successfully sued the federal government over the no-fly list, right? So no, it's not better than doing nothing.

Well, let's stay the course then...

See you at the next thread after the next mass-shooting.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Ps. The cops aren't at war any more than the citizens are, so law enforcement doesn't need these either, do they?

And speaking of cops I'd honestly prefer if cops didn't have access, or rather limited access, to such weapons(excluding more elite and well trained units) than banning them from civilians.

 

[scorpipede]

the best argument I've heard for or against any type of weapon ban is simply: if you ban the weapon then the people that don't care about the law will get them if they want them.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well, let's stay the course then...

See you at the next thread after the next mass-shooting.

Mass shootings account for very few deaths in the grand scheme of things and even countries with strict gun control laws have seen mass shootings recently. We need to accept mass shootings as a reality and inevitable but we should also put their effect in perspective.

Yes they're incredibly tragic. But do we really need to do something about this? No one reasonably expects any society to get its automobile related deaths to zero despite the massive monetary and human cost we incur from them(roughly 30,000 dead annually in the US). But with mass shootings there is this expectation that any number higher than 0 is too much.

I guess if it saves even one child we should all get on our knees and beg for a police state right?

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Why? To bring down the murder rate? Because if you want to do that, ban handguns.

I'd oppose that, but if that's your thing, your beef should be with handguns not assault rifles that lead to a pretty small number of deaths.

 

[gespenst]

Who are these twelve MFs who voted yes?

 

[RerouteToRemain]

First of all thanks for answering me like I'm a person and not someone who's trying to undermine our great Nation.

Well, we all know (now) that info is being gathered on everyone left, right, and center. Now arguing the legality of that isn't for this thread, but I'm hoping that we can find something to do to try to quell the violence. Adding more firearms into the mix hasn't proved to be the answer.

As far as I know there hasn't been anything like what you described, but are we willing to wait for it to happen?

I'm actually looking to buy an AK (maybe for my birthday...) Either that or a new video card for my gaming P.C....

No problem. I'm all for real conversation. No point in name calling, being nasty or disingenuous.

I definitely wouldn't want it to happen. I'm not sure what should happen. I see flaws in the no fly is all. Basically the whole, if you are going to do something do it right. Revamp the terror watch list and separate categories( for example, under prelim investigation, low risk, high risk) or something like that.

People that haven't done anything wrong have spent years trying to get off of it. I posted an example in another thread that a wheelchair bound woman who came from another country to here for college. Turns out after 9 years they finally investigated it a fbi agent accidentally checked the wrong box. All kinds of people have got on that list and it has proven quite difficult to get off of it.

Maybe revamp the no fly list. Inform people what they did and let them challenge/prove their innocence in a timely manner.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

Who are these twelve MFs who voted yes?

Click on the 12 VOTE(S) and it will tell you who if your are truly curious.

 

[DoomPatrol]

By "functionally the same" you mean the AR is in fact functionally inferior, right? Last I knew select fire was such a big difference that it needed restricted in the 30's and ultimately removed from the civilian market in the '80's.

What is the mass murder rate you'd like to achieve and what makes you think banning a type of semi-auto rifle is going to get us there?

Ps. The cops aren't at war any more than the citizens are, so law enforcement doesn't need these either, do they?

Dude I've served in combat serving in the Marine Corps infantry. I assure you that a standard $800 AR is every bit as deadly as the M4s and M16s we had in our squad. The three round burst is almost never used. It's near impossible to keep on target at distance and it's a waste of rounds. We fire in hammer pairs. 2 controlled squeezes of the trigger. It is exactly the same for the military and civilian model. If a rifle squad needs to supress a target they will either let their squad machinegun have a go, or they'll just fire a bunch of individual rounds at the target. I don't think I've ever seen anyone use the three round burst outside of training.

The mass murder rate I'd like us to get to? None would be the number I'd like to see. Who would want anything other than that? The real world isn't ever going to see that. I'm not afraid of radical Muslims. I'm afraid of radical Muslims with high capacity firearms in a gun free zone. Without a high capacity firearm it's much less likely that casualty numbers will be so high in attacks. I just think America really has two options with this. We can continue to allow people to own weapons like that and have attacks, or we can make drastic changes.

I believe in the right to defend yourself. I've been shot at and the police didn't save me. I saved me. They showed up 30 minutes later to clean up the mess. There's just no way to stop these lone wolf psychos in our current situation. Anyone with $2000 and no criminal record can arm themselves like a soldier in combat in the morning and go wreck some club later that same night. I just don't see 21st century America putting up with that.

American adults want their kids to be safe from gun violence more than they think we need to be armed to the teeth in case America is going to turn tyrannical.

As far as police go,I can see why their SWAT and special task forces need high powered weapons. I don't think the everyday beat cop should be walking around like John Basilone on Guadalcanal.

 

[My Spot]

Well, let's stay the course then...

See you at the next thread after the next mass-shooting.

I guess you don't agree with due process.