Crime Should these 11 year olds be charged as adults?

WillyWarminski said:
Absolutely horrific. RIP to that guy.
But either you have a benchmark age or you don't.
11 year olds are not adults.
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it was a woman they killed just so you know.

and results of rehabilitation in cases like this with child murderers are kind of all over the place. there have been some who figure shit out, get the right help, and live regular lives when they get out. i would say a small majority do not and end up back in jail at some point.

i also don't think there needs to be a serious rift in how minors are charged vs adults. i don't think the charges and sentences should be much different. i think 20 years to life in a case like this works for an 11 year old or a 25 year old. assess them a couple decades now and see if they've been fixed.
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
it was a woman they killed just so you know.

and results of rehabilitation in cases like this with child murderers are kind of all over the place. there have been some who figure shit out, get the right help, and live regular lives when they get out. i would say a small majority do not and end up back in jail at some point.

i also don't think there needs to be a serious rift in how minors are charged vs adults. i don't think the charges and sentences should be much different. i think 20 years to life in a case like this works for an 11 year old or a 25 year old. assess them a couple decades now and see if they've been fixed.
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Gotcha.
I just caught the intro and switched off at the cyclist.

I understand. It is America after all and every country is different.

But then in these cases, you must rely on the psychological assessments and every layer of this horrific crime that can be understood, which is why we don't rely on YouTube videos but rather an entire legal system (of whatever resource is available).

The difference between one 11 year old and another can be light and day.

I was in a secure care system ("juvie" equivalent) when I was 14 ( a looong time ago) I met same age murderers, rapists, arsonists alongside petty theft and stealing cars. I was there for an assault.
The psychological differences between one kid who accidentally killed somebody and another who meant to were so far apart it blew my own mind. Yet we all played as kids during socialising.
An 11 year old. Some barely know the difference between reality and fiction when it comes to consequences.
 
WillyWarminski said:
Why?
Does the severity of a crime make a child an adult?
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No, but the cost of the crime becomes so great and unrecoverable (as in someone's life) that I think it's definitely worth dismissing the juvenile protection if a teenager has a history of bad behavior. If he's been in and out of juvee, then fuck a murderer, try him as an adult.
 
Kids are are more likely to do this shit than even in Mexico because they know the penalty will be severe, either with the justice system or by mob justice. Kids here steal cars and use them to break into businesses to steal and just to cause mayhem, run people over, etc... because the penalty is very light compared to the countries where their parents came from

That guy Vitaly is a perfect example
 
KAZSoliloquy said:
it was a woman they killed just so you know.

and results of rehabilitation in cases like this with child murderers are kind of all over the place. there have been some who figure shit out, get the right help, and live regular lives when they get out. i would say a small majority do not and end up back in jail at some point.

i also don't think there needs to be a serious rift in how minors are charged vs adults. i don't think the charges and sentences should be much different. i think 20 years to life in a case like this works for an 11 year old or a 25 year old. assess them a couple decades now and see if they've been fixed.
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They killed a man

Scott D. Habermehl

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KAZSoliloquy said:
it was a woman they killed just so you know.

and results of rehabilitation in cases like this with child murderers are kind of all over the place. there have been some who figure shit out, get the right help, and live regular lives when they get out. i would say a small majority do not and end up back in jail at some point.

i also don't think there needs to be a serious rift in how minors are charged vs adults. i don't think the charges and sentences should be much different. i think 20 years to life in a case like this works for an 11 year old or a 25 year old. assess them a couple decades now and see if they've been fixed.
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So, jail them forever and cost society, or let them out eventually and cost society.

I think this is when the enormity or our population is not understood. These things WILL happen. It's a given. Do you take them out back and put a bullet in the back of their heads? I'll plead the 5th on that answer, on the grounds that I may get the hammer. Do we send them off to a detention center where they probably won't get fixed then let them go at the age of 18?

There isn't an answer to this. This is the human condition.


 
I never understood how the 'charge them as an adult' stuff had any legal standing. Either you're an adult or you're not. The stuff government gets away with is comical. And I'm someone who thinks minors should get stiff punishments for heinous crimes, but they have to change the laws to be consistent.
 
Ruke Doufus said:
Certain crimes such as murder should have punishments that supersede the youth criminal criteria.
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I like the way you phrased this. Tried as an adult is so arbitrarily thrown around. If you can be found mentally capable to be tried as an adult, can you say, at 11 get license if you are so mature? No. I think the wording of serious crime laws should include culpability and punishment of minors found guilty
 
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