Elections Should the US election be decided by electoral votes or popular votes?

[AndroidRage]

Do you disagree with the statement?

I do.

"Rural communities lag in the share of the population with a college degree. Today, 35% of urban residents and 31% in the suburbs have a bachelor's degree or more education, compared with 19% in rural counties. Rural areas also trail urban and suburban areas in their share of residents with postgraduate degrees"

Strange how that cuck focused on Chicago when rural areas have less education. Why would he focus on Chicago over say Appalachia? I wonder?

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

thats the while point of ec... smaller states would have no incentive to stay if overpopulated states make all decisions and impose their racial views on everybody else.

Lol so you think Wyoming would secede if their citizens votes werent worth 10x Californias votes?

 

[HereticBD]

Criminals killing people does not let crooked police off the hook, even if only 10% of cops are crooked that's 10% too many. Would you fly on an airline where 10% of the pilots flew drunk?

It depends what the other option is. Would I fly on an airline with 10% drunk pilots, over another airline that has a 50% crash rate? Yup.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Criminals killing people does not let crooked police off the hook, even if only 10% of cops are crooked that's 10% too many. Would you fly on an airline where 10% of the pilots flew drunk?

It's not like it's the job of the police to enforce order. As long as the cops commit fewer crimes than the general public, they're doing a good job.

More seriously, the low protection black people get from the cops is part of the reason that people say the CJ system seems to value black lives less, not an excuse for it.

 

[deviake]

^^^ Cope Post

Nice chatting with you bob

 

[grimballer]

Lol so you think Wyoming would secede if their citizens votes werent worth 10x Californias votes?

3.5x...

the system is step up so ppl in wyoming have a say as well, not just california imposing its will on everybody else.

again president is suppose to represent entire country, not just 5 states.

 

[Denter]

Haruspexy.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Haruspexy.

Really not any dumber than either trying to screen for intelligence or test the voters. The whole point of having representative democracy is that the voters have a say in the ends as free people, but the means are supposed to be figured out by people who know what they're doing. Doesn't make sense to simultaneously support limiting the franchise based on knowledge and voting for unqualified idiots like Trump or people who base their views on wishful thinking like basically the whole of the modern GOP.

 

[Denter]

Really not any dumber than either trying to screen for intelligence or test the voters. The whole point of having representative democracy is that the voters have a say in the ends as free people, but the means are supposed to be figured out by people who know what they're doing. Doesn't make sense to simultaneously support limiting the franchise based on knowledge and voting for unqualified idiots like Trump or people who base their views on wishful thinking like basically the whole of the modern GOP.

Alternative: consult the Sybilline Book.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Alternative: consult the Sybilline Book.

Are you familiar with Julian Jaynes?

 

[Denter]

You've mentioned him before, all I really know is the caricature of his theory about unconscious ancient people.

 

[avenue94]

3.5x...

the system is step up so ppl in wyoming have a say as well, not just california imposing its will on everybody else.

again president is suppose to represent entire country, not just 5 states.

what 5 states does a president need to win the country?

 

[Trotsky]

If you had posed this question a decade ago, I predict that the vast, vast majority would have said popular vote. For most who voted "electoral votes," they're purely (and pretty openly) stating that due to the fact that it benefits their desired party. It's actually kind of impressive that Republicans have completely coalesced around supporting the electoral college now after being skeptical of it up to four years ago. The only poster that I believe is right-wing and voted "popular vote" is @Krixes.

 

[Kandyland]

If you had posed this question a decade ago, I predict that the vast, vast majority would have said popular vote. For most who voted "electoral votes," they're purely (and pretty openly) stating that due to the fact that it benefits their desired party. It's actually kind of impressive that Republicans have completely coalesced around supporting the electoral college now after being skeptical of it up to four years ago. The only poster that I believe is right-wing and voted "popular vote" is @Krixes.

Another "orange man bad" post by Mr. "double carded".

 

[grimballer]

what 5 states does a president need to win the country?

with ec 270 is needed...

 

[Jack V Savage]

You've mentioned him before, all I really know is the caricature of his theory about unconscious ancient people.

More specifically that introspection is something we have learned rather than something that we biologically evolved. One point he makes is that as this process developed, people felt a sense of loss (as they no longer perceived gods talking directly to them). People interpret laments about the gods abandoning civilizations as a metaphor for bad things happening, but he thinks it's more of a real sense that they aren't as accessible. That period lines up with increased reliance on divination (remember, the idea of chance was not widely understood or known about until recently, and people really thought that rolling a die or something could reveal God's will) and also on oracles (people who can get worked into a state where they feel they are communicating directly with gods, which used to just be normal).

 

[avenue94]

with ec 270 is needed...

So you don't want to answer? With the EC, you need to focus resources and tailor your campaign platform to about a dozen battleground states. There's no point in focusing at all on safe states, which is most of them.

If 2020 was run off the popular vote, Biden's total was pulled from over half of the states in the country. The idea that the EC encourages presidents to appeal to more states is straight up bs.

 

[grimballer]

So you don't want to answer? With the EC, you need to focus resources and tailor your campaign platform to about a dozen battleground states. There's no point in focusing at all on safe states, which is most of them.

If 2020 was run off the popular vote, Biden's total was pulled from over half of the states in the country. The idea that the EC encourages presidents to appeal to more states is straight up bs.

you dont have to focus on "safe states" cause they agree with you...

you gotta appeal to independents in swing states. this means both left and right cant just pander to their base and win.

 

[Denter]

More specifically that introspection is something we have learned rather than something that we biologically evolved. One point he makes is that as this process developed, people felt a sense of loss (as they no longer perceived gods talking directly to them). People interpret laments about the gods abandoning civilizations as a metaphor for bad things happening, but he thinks it's more of a real sense that they aren't as accessible. That period lines up with increased reliance on divination (remember, the idea of chance was not widely understood or known about until recently, and people really thought that rolling a die or something could reveal God's will) and also on oracles (people who can get worked into a state where they feel they are communicating directly with gods, which used to just be normal).

At this time the general of the Plataeans, Arimnestus, had a dream in which he thought he was accosted by Zeus the Savior and asked what the Hellenes had decided to do, and replied: ‘On the morrow, my Lord, we are going to lead our army back to Eleusis, and fight out our issue with the Barbarians there, in accordance with the Pythian oracle.
Then the god said they were entirely in error, for the Pythian oracle's places were there in the neighborhood of Plataea, and if they sought them they would surely find them. All this was made so vivid to Arimnestus that as soon as he awoke he summoned the oldest and most experienced of his fellow-citizens. By conference and investigation with these he discovered that near Hysiae, at the foot of mount Cithaeron, there was a very ancient temple bearing the names of Eleusinian Demeter and Cora.
Straightway then he took Aristides and led him to the spot. They found that it was naturally very well suited to the array of infantry against a force that was superior in cavalry, since the spurs of Cithaeron made the edges of the plain adjoining the temple unfit for horsemen. There, too, was the shrine of the hero Androcrates hard by, enveloped in a grove of dense and shady trees.

In this famous passage from Plutarch, the Greeks are assembled to fight the ultimate battle with the Persians near Platea. The general has a prophetic dream, and this actually reveals a real feature of the landscape that helps the Greeks win the battle against superior cavalry.

What was happening here? Was this Arimnestus' mind divided in two, with him understanding his own instincts as a 'voice' speaking in his dream? Do you discount the possibility that maybe things were actually speaking to them?

 

[Jack V Savage]

In this famous passage from Plutarch, the Greeks are assembled to fight the ultimate battle with the Persians near Platea. The general has a prophetic dream, and this actually reveals a real feature of the landscape that helps the Greeks win the battle against superior cavalry.

What was happening here? Was this Arimnestus' mind divided in two, with him understanding his own instincts as a 'voice' speaking in his dream? Do you discount the possibility that maybe things were actually speaking to them?

Note that this is a translation, which is one of the issues he has (that modern translators are imposing modern thinking onto older work). But, yeah, if true, this was Arimnestus interpreting his own ideas as coming from an external source (that's what the division is--people interpreting thoughts that pop into their heads as coming from outside). And, yes, of course I discount that possibility. Do you not?