Elections Should the US election be decided by electoral votes or popular votes?

Should the election be decided by electoral votes or popular votes?

  • It should be decided by popular votes.

    Votes: 91 52.6%

  • It should be decided by electoral votes.

    Votes: 79 45.7%

  • It should be decided by winning both.

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • Total voters
    173
grimballer said:
its fair cause ppl in montana get to have a say and not get completely drowned by overpopulated state like california.
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The idea that some people’s vote should matter more than others is hardly “fair”. The Senate already serves the purpose of giving all states an equal say in lawmaking. All the EC does is render the votes of around 40% of the people in 80% of the states meaningless, and give all the power to elect a president to the other 8 or 10 states. The winner take all format also helps to ensure a 3rd party never gets a real chance.
 
bobgeese said:
You're telling me after watching the last year in this country, where people burn down their neighbors homes and businesses over a myth of blacks being hunted by police, a year where people wouldn't even put on a mask to protect themselves and others, a year where people are still convinced Trump didn't actually lose the election,


You think we can fix these people?


<{cruzshake}>
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In my view it doesn't solve anything. Dumb people who wanna vote would learn to pass a test, self interested smart people who wanna vote will pass a test. It's not campaign finance reform. It's not funding education. It's not providing public infrastructure to poor areas. It's not rank choice voting. It's not adding more parties to the mix. It's not in any way encouraging the apathetic and disenfranchised to go to the ballot box, giving them a reason to care. It's an austerity measure that adds another layer of needless bureaucracy to the process of voting. It feels good, it'd be nice if we could do something so simple and watch the country change for the better of all citizens but I don't for a moment think this is it.

Again, and a point you've not addressed; anyone can pass a test and then still vote for a dumb asshole. I also find it strange that you'd not instead implement austerity measures for what kind of person can run for office. What if we do this, it works, and then we're stuck with nothing but dumb assholes to vote for? Then what?

As far as the last year in this country, a LOT went into it. The whole problem with this idea is that it attempts to treat a symptom but not the cause. The divided and ignorant nature of citizens in the US goes back to its inception and these divisions in our populace have been purposely stoked by politicians and business interests for hundreds of years.

As far as the protests and riots, they're par for the course in the US and pretty tame when you look throughout our history. Maybe BLM will chill when, ya know, the US demonstrates that black lives actually matter beyond simply paying lip service to basic human decency towards our fellow citizens.

These roots go deep, you're not gonna fix culture and the system with austerity measures and tweaks around the edges. It'll take generations and that's assuming the US experiment survives that long. I don't see this as the solution. You gotta dig into the meat of the system and address the rot at the core.

Just my 2 cents
 
deviake said:
Maybe BLM will chill when, ya know, the US demonstrates that black lives actually matter beyond simply paying lip service to basic human decency towards our fellow citizens.
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How fucking naïve can you possibly be? Criminal Black people don't value the lives of other Black people. 6 black CHILDREN have been shot within a few miles of my house in the past few months, two just last week.


And you motherfuckers pretend police are the problem. You're a goddamn embarrassment.
 
bobgeese said:
How fucking naïve can you possibly be? Criminal Black people don't value the lives of other Black people. 6 black CHILDREN have been shot within a few miles of my house in the past few months, two just last week.


And you motherfuckers pretend police are the problem. You're a goddamn embarrassment.
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Criminals killing people does not let crooked police off the hook, even if only 10% of cops are crooked that's 10% too many. Would you fly on an airline where 10% of the pilots flew drunk?
 
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bobgeese said:
How fucking naïve can you possibly be? Criminal Black people don't value the lives of other Black people. 6 black CHILDREN have been shot within a few miles of my house in the past few months, two just last week.


And you motherfuckers pretend police are the problem. You're a goddamn embarrassment.
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This is very emotional and reactionary. That's fine I guess, it happens.

I think you need to work on differentiating symptoms and causes.

And yeah, some people don't value the lives of others regardless of their immutable characteristics. That doesn't change the fact that there are some serious issues with the justice system.
 
Day Drinking said:
Perfect example. There is literally no difference between lawmakers and airline pilots. Literally none.
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Of course there are differences, since no two things in this universe are the same. That is why we resort to comparisons in the first place. What constitutes a valid comparison is the equality of compared things' (perceived) essences. Now you said that people should get a say in governance because it affects them. This implies you consider this particular trait to be essential, because you wouldn't have put it at the forefront otherwise. I merely pointed out that who gets to fly the plane also affects them.

So the comparison itself was more than valid.
 
Sohei said:
It would make more sense fur all states to split up into 50 separate countries that way they would have to fail or succeed on their own. But then smaller states wouldn't be able to leech off the economically bigger states.
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thats the while point of ec... smaller states would have no incentive to stay if overpopulated states make all decisions and impose their racial views on everybody else.
 
58miles said:
Please just try to be honest, we all know the reason why conservatives are now staunch defenders of the the EC and it doesn't have a damn thing to do with an overwhelming concern for states like Montana.

Btw you ever stop to think that maybe if the Republican party actually made an attempt to make more people vote for them then you would have to so head over heels in love with a completely ridiculous, outdated EC.
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so republicans should just try to appease voters in california and new york and forget about smaller states and their concerns?

they should just compete with democrats whos gonna be further left?
 
sickc0d3r said:
The idea that some people’s vote should matter more than others is hardly “fair”. The Senate already serves the purpose of giving all states an equal say in lawmaking. All the EC does is render the votes of around 40% of the people in 80% of the states meaningless, and give all the power to elect a president to the other 8 or 10 states. The winner take all format also helps to ensure a 3rd party never gets a real chance.
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and the house of REPRESENTATIVES serves the purpose of giving each state proportional representation in lawmaking.

ec is the middle ground.

bigger states have more of a say, and smaller states have a say as well. both get to choose the president of all the states, not just the more populated ones.
 
Harmonica said:
Of course there are differences, since no two things in this universe are the same. That is why we resort to comparisons in the first place. What constitutes a valid comparison is the equality of compared things' (perceived) essences. Now you said that people should get a say in governance because it affects them. This implies you consider this particular trait to be essential, because you wouldn't have put it at the forefront otherwise. I merely pointed out that who gets to fly the plane also affects them.

So the comparison itself was more than valid.
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I said the comparison was valid. Airline pilots are the same as politicians and should be chosen the same way. What are you even saying, I agree with you.
 
58miles said:
Criminals killing people does not let crooked police off the hook, even if only 10% of cops are crooked that's 10% too many. Would you fly on an airline where 10% of the pilots flew drunk?
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Your post is a fucking fantasy. 10% of cops are crooks. 10% of cops aren't killing people. More people are killed in a bad weekend in Chicago then have been killed by cops this year.

Fuck off with your excuses and your BS fantasy.
 
deviake said:
That doesn't change the fact that there are some serious issues with the justice system.
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<Dany07>



I tell you about six kids getting shot, and you go back to complaining about the justice system.

People like you are the reason these problems will never get solved.
 
bobgeese said:
<Dany07>



I tell you about six kids getting shot, and you go back to complaining about the justice system.

People like you are the reason these problems will never get solved.
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Another emotional outburst.

Your point is a non sequitur. I could explain why I guess but at this point I'm not sure you would (or care to) grasp it.

The only mildly funny part is you talking down about the intelligence of others being the problem in this country.

<puh-lease75><BC1>
 
Wow the votes are super close. I love it, thanks for your input folks.
 
deviake said:
Another emotional outburst.

Your point is a non sequitur. I could explain why I guess but at this point I'm not sure you would (or care to) grasp it.

The only mildly funny part is you talking down about the intelligence of others being the problem in this country.

<puh-lease75><BC1>
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^^^ Cope Post
 
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