Should Islam Makhachev get the next title shot?

[fightfan70]

You want his original opponent to fight with a broken leg? No commission would allow that and no sane fan would want to watch it either.

you honestly think anyone wants him to fight a guy with a broken leg??
whats wrong with you?
no need to be so defensive bro.
maybe a rematch when everyone is healthy??

 

[Osiris3657]

My only issue is how much this screws over Dariush. He's on a great streak as well, a title shot was on the line, and he got hurt. Now he has to wait for two fights (Gaethje and Islam) for his own shot or risk losing it by taking another fight in the meantime

 

[MEAN357]

Hasn't fought anyone but there's really no one else deserving of a title shot. Wouldn't make sense to match him with the top 5 guys who are all coming off losses to Olives.

Conor McGregor-esque run to the title shot but the way he's been murdering ppl its hard to argue

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

i dont know. justin was top 3 and actually beat another contender.
maybe islam could try that?
we can't all fight a real estate guy for the title.

He did try it. Lots of times. This time, Dariush fell out.

And Gaethje beat a contender? That's supposed to mean what exactly, when it's your only fight that you begrudgingly took only because you weren't getting your way kicking and sitting?

you honestly think anyone wants him to fight a guy with a broken leg??
whats wrong with you?
no need to be so defensive bro.
maybe a rematch when everyone is healthy??

Broken fibula.

Yeah, just put Islam on ice until we figure out when Ben's good to go

 

[sdpdude9]

10 fight dominant win streak. He may be missing that marquee win, but there’s really nobody else more deserving right now. The only guy that has an argument is Dariush, who also lacks that marquee win, is on a shorter win streak, and has not looked as dominant.

 

[fightfan70]

He did try it. Lots of times. This time, Dariush fell out.

And Gaethje beat a contender? That's supposed to mean what exactly, when it's your only fight that you begrudgingly took only because you weren't getting your way kicking and sitting?


Broken fibula.

Yeah, just put Islam on ice until we figure out when Ben's good to go

he took a year and a half off between ramos and dober, and almost a year off a couple fights before that.
whats the panic? is he going to lose his skills? who is scared he is going to lose his spot?

 

[Shaddows]

Fair enough,

He's ranked #4 with a 10 fight win streak. Yes he may have not beat anyone in the top 5. But of course it's not his fault he didn't fight Beneil. I think he earned it more than Conor or anyone else in the top 5 as we speak, besides Gaethje who's already scheduled to fight for the title.

I just don't see any other person in the top 5, who earned it more at this time. Poirier and Chandler just got their title shots fairly recently and lost. I can see Islam have one more fight, but I don't think it's necessary at this point. He's done enough for a TS. I've seen people who've done less get a title shot.

That's just my opinion. If he ends up fighting one more time before a TS, that's understandable as well. But I believe he's earned it at this point.

Ok.
But if we are being honest, I have two points:
1) the fact "others got it with less" is a bad excuse and will never change (the past). If we both want a better sport, then moving forward is what we have to fix... agreed?

2) While I do agree and understand that it is not his fault, let us remember that repetitive as it may be, the fact remains that he has no wins under top 10 that were not last second replacement... (both Hooker and Green were)... and those are the ONLY worthy fighter he fought.
And while I am not saying you are being dishonest, just try to think if a fighter you dislike came asking for a title shot. You would vehemently deny them!
WHat I mean above is that we do have out own bias system, and IMHO this does not trigger Islam fans, but that's because they are at the bandwagon. And fan would be more understanding, but the rules should be one you are comfortable giving to guys you hate as well, and most don't try to think that way.

For a Mature sport, rules have to be impersonal, and I don't see it from Islam fans. Well, not only Islam; there are many other fighters whose fans want to push for undeserving title shots... it happens all the time.

My perception is that if we make sure guys who keep winning move up, then this "desperation" for a fast title shot would decrease.
Unfortunately, out system as it is setup now allows for much abuse and because of that, we get this push.
We need to work to make a better system so this stops being an issue.

 

[10000yearsold]

He should already be fighting for it. Get Gaethje out of there.

 

[Rizzo]

I’m ok with it, really the only other guy you could put in over him is Dariush and they are kind of 1A and 1B right now.

Oliviera/Gathje in May
Winner vs Islam in Oct
Poirier/Diaz pointless money fight in Apr/May
Poirier vs Dariush in Oct for next title fight

 

[PurpleDrank]

He deserves it. Idc if his opponents were ranked or not. 10 wins in a row at lw is deserving. The argument being pro rankings or meritocracy is faulty. The rankings are subjective and the matchmakers arent always the best at doing their jobs. The idea that 1 win against Chandler trumps 10 in a row or even his last 3 wins cumatively is stupid as shit.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

No, this is the same thing Khabib did when he got an outstanding record in the lower end of the division, beat one top guy & then started a ridiculous "I'm owed the shot" campaign.

It worked out for Khabib, but way more often than not, the people who come on strong in the shallow end, get exposed in the deep end. imo...We have to give Makh the opportunity to show us at least a second time that he can hang against a top guy.

Makh... has a win over 1 single top competitor atm. Gaethje or Dariush would be a nice test.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Ok.
But if we are being honest, I have two points:
1) the fact "others got it with less" is a bad excuse and will never change (the past). If we both want a better sport, then moving forward is what we have to fix... agreed?

2) While I do agree and understand that it is not his fault, let us remember that repetitive as it may be, the fact remains that he has no wins under top 10 that were not last second replacement... (both Hooker and Green were)... and those are the ONLY worthy fighter he fought.
And while I am not saying you are being dishonest, just try to think if a fighter you dislike came asking for a title shot. You would vehemently deny them!
WHat I mean above is that we do have out own bias system, and IMHO this does not trigger Islam fans, but that's because they are at the bandwagon. And fan would be more understanding, but the rules should be one you are comfortable giving to guys you hate as well, and most don't try to think that way.

For a Mature sport, rules have to be impersonal, and I don't see it from Islam fans. Well, not only Islam; there are many other fighters whose fans want to push for undeserving title shots... it happens all the time.

My perception is that if we make sure guys who keep winning move up, then this "desperation" for a fast title shot would decrease.
Unfortunately, out system as it is setup now allows for much abuse and because of that, we get this push.
We need to work to make a better system so this stops being an issue.

Everything you said is fair and square. So who deserves the title shot than if not Islam?

 

[kalabula]

So only 22.6 percent of Sherdog are unreasonable. I thought it’d be higher.

 

[Shaddows]

Everything you said is fair and square. So who deserves the title shot than if not Islam?

To be perfectly honest, no one.
But what is the urgency?
Justin is already getting it. And it's not like they are fighting tomorrow, so we have to have someone else after! (Imagine if there are controversies, bad refereeing/judging or an accidental headbutt or eye poke, etc... and now they have to remake it? then what? Islam will be stuck waiting?)

That means there's time for Islam to fight someone else. With full camp.
Dariush will be healthy, DP needs to fight someone...
That's #1, #2 and #3.
I don't think Tony, Chandler or Hooker deserve it. I won't even waste my time on Conor.
RDA IMHO is not deserving as well... I wanted to see where he was against Fiziev, but now he's out... (It will be interesting to see if he fights Islam now, but come on... he's 2-4 in his last 6, inactive for 3 years... again, not the guy to propel you to a title shot)... as much as I love RDA!!

But there's Gillespie who is 14-1, and Mateusz Gamrot who is 20-1 and was a champion at KSW... for whatever this is worth
But they are all good guys climbing up the ladder that makes this division so good and exciting.
I mean, I just run through the top 12, and there are great opportunities here.

If we only concentrate more about the fighters than the belt...

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

To be perfectly honest, no one.
But what is the urgency?
Justin is already getting it. And it's not like they are fighting tomorrow, so we have to have someone else after! (Imagine if there are controversies, bad refereeing/judging or an accidental headbutt or eye poke, etc... and now they have to remake it? then what? Islam will be stuck waiting?)

That means there's time for Islam to fight someone else. With full camp.
Dariush will be healthy, DP needs to fight someone...
That's #1, #2 and #3.
I don't think Tony, Chandler or Hooker deserve it. I won't even waste my time on Conor.
RDA IMHO is not deserving as well... I wanted to see where he was against Fiziev, but now he's out... (It will be interesting to see if he fights Islam now, but come on... he's 2-4 in his last 6, inactive for 3 years... again, not the guy to propel you to a title shot)... as much as I love RDA!!

But there's Gillespie who is 14-1, and Mateusz Gamrot who is 20-1 and was a champion at KSW... for whatever this is worth
But they are all good guys climbing up the ladder that makes this division so good and exciting.
I mean, I just run through the top 12, and there are great opportunities here.

If we only concentrate more about the fighters than the belt...

If Islam fights RDA and beats him, does he earn it than?

 

[Shaddows]

If Islam fights RDA and beats him, does he earn it than?

ugh... i can't say he does, man...
But like I mentioned, I love RDA... but he is 2-4 in his last 6 and haven't fought in over a year.

Let me put it this way: If RDA beats Islam, I wouldn't think he deserved a title shot either...

edit: how long RDA has been out... (I thought it was 2 years).

 

[Chagaev]

Fighting for the title ain't that big of a deal.

If he doesn't deserve it, he'll lose and the next deserving guy will get the chance.

Iaquinta fought for this belt after a shit winning streak and a split over Masvidal, Masvidal got the chance twice for WW after a weak three wins streak etc.
But Islam should be held to a higher standard because...?

 

[maximus__]

If Islam fights RDA and beats him, does he earn it than?

Yes. They have been booked before and prepped so it takes away some of the short notice issues.

 

[CorninginChristianburg]

His wins aren't traditionally enough to get a TS but I think he should get it because we really need to discourage this ducking culture. RDA and Benny pulled out. RDA and Benny were the only 2 who were willing to take those fights in the first place. Others receive no criticism but didn't even consider fighting him.

We can't have a system where prospects never can progress their careers because they never have ranked opponents to face. And this is not only a problem at lightweight. Now I understand sometimes the prospects themselves are the ones dodging tough fights, but this is not that. Islam has been open and everyone else has been conveniently booked against each other.

 

[Kenny Powerth]

Yes, he does deserve it

But I wouldn’t mind him and Benny Dariush rescheduling either