Economy Should ENGLISH proficiency be a REQUIREMENT for migrants?

Yea man, that's what it is. Everyone around you just can't read. That's why someone found the same inconsistency in your logic.
Me: "I learned some of the language to make speaking with them easier"

Two brainless lemmings: "WHY DONT YOU LEARN THE LANGUAGE IF YOU WANNA TALK TO IMMIGRANTS SO BAD!!11!!!??¡¡?¿"


Kids, this is why paying attention in school is important. You gotta learn to read properly so that you dont look stupid online.
 
Is the answer German?
Haha, I was born there but only learned it in an English school for a couple of years so I know how to order food and an ash tray.
 
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Your English is better than mine.
- THank you my Steve Austin looking a like friend. You know how to make a girl happy.

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How the fuck are they gonna call 911 or talk to a doctor or talk to a cop
I lived in Amsterdam for 4 years and only knew very very basic Dutch, I knew how to dial 112, I spoke to doctors and would've been fine if I needed a cop. We have apps for this sort of thing now.
 
America has much higher levels of diversity and immigration throughout its history, and it stands almost alone as a country defined by creeds more than any specific cultural traits.

Case in point, America has never had a official language, whereas Canada does.

Why would I not point out that a conversation regarding whether English proficiency should be mandatory in America be viewed through the lens of the American experience? The TS ain't Canadian is he?

Further, you're the one who had the arrogance to apply your Canadian experience to America without ever actually having stepped foot in this ethnic enclaves in American and then act surprised when Americans call you out for being ignorant.
First off, Canada is bilingual and secondly we have higher levels of diversity. We are also home to the city most often cited as the most multicultural in the world, the place I currently live in, Toronto.

Also, I like how the goal posts are shifted from "you've never stepped foot in America" to "you've never stepped foot in one of these enclaves in America." The moment you discover I have actually stepped foot in America.

It's not arrogance to talk about immigration in a thread about immigration especially when it wasn't specified whether or not the TS was American himself or if this was Infact about America. That's a tactic your using to obfuscate any opinions you don't like. This is something you've repeatedly done when you don't have an actual argument.

The onus is on you to explain what makes the current, contemporary landscape in America so vastly unique where Canadians/Europeans/Australians ect cannot opine on matters of immigration or multiculturalism?



Me: "I learned some of the language to make speaking with them easier"

Two brainless lemmings: "WHY DONT YOU LEARN THE LANGUAGE IF YOU WANNA TALK TO IMMIGRANTS SO BAD!!11!!!??¡¡?¿"


Kids, this is why paying attention in school is important. You gotta learn to read properly so that you dont look stupid online.
You: immigrants shouldn't have to learn the primary language of the host nations to form meaningful connections.

Also you: I learn their languages to form more meaningful connections.

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I always presumed that, if I moved to another country, it would be seen as the height of disrespect if I didn't become conversationally proficient in the language by the time I moved there.
- I do agree. Isnt like english is hard to learn if you come from a latin language talking place.
 
You: immigrants shouldn't have to learn the primary language of the host nations to form meaningful connections.

Also you: I learn their languages to form more meaningful connections.
You just can't help but be dishonest on top of being wrong.

1) I've stated several times that I learn other languages because I simply like to. You keep trying to bring up this meaningful connection bs to avoid the actual topic which is "should they be allowed in the country if they can't speak English"

2) Again, I've said over and over that the only reason you should have total learn any language is for full citizenship, a specific job requirement, or because you feel like learning it.

3) you're desperately trying to distract from the numerous times you've been caught not reading, misreading, or generally just being dumb.

A desire to learn a Language and a need to learn a language are 2 entirely different things. Immigrants don't need to learn English if they dont want to unless it's for a job or full citizenship. If you just come here to work a job that doesn't require you to learn English, then it doesn't matter.

Take the L, dude.
 
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First off, Canada is bilingual and secondly we have higher levels of diversity. We are also home to the city most often cited as the most multicultural in the world, the place I currently live in, Toronto.
Correct, Canada has two official languages, America has zero. You're restating my original point, that a national language has never been as important to America as it is to countries like Canada.

Canada isn't really more diverse, it's more that Canadians are more likely to identity as ___ or smaller subgroups than Americans. Hence the America is much better at integrating immigrants over time.

To that point, America is about 59% white identifying versus almost 70% for Canada. After that, it's Hispanic Latino (19%, but some are also white), Black (13%), and then Asian (13%) for the US and then Asians (20%) and then indigenous (5%) and a bunch of small populations.

TLDR: The only groups where Canada over indexes against the US is Asians and indigenous people.
Also, I like how the goal posts are shifted from "you've never stepped foot in America" to "you've never stepped foot in one of these enclaves in America." The moment you discover I have actually stepped foot in America.
The goal posts didn't move, you're just terrible at reading.
Assuming you've been to the US, what insular diaspora communities that don't learn English did you spend time with?

What was your experience like?
It's not arrogance to talk about immigration in a thread about immigration especially when it wasn't specified whether or not the TS was American himself or if this was Infact about America. That's a tactic your using to obfuscate any opinions you don't like. This is something you've repeatedly done when you don't have an actual argument.
For someone convinced immigrants are ruining their country, you show little critical thinking.

The first post mentions English proficiency, which rules out Canada since it has two official languages. Then most of the posts on the first page refer to Spanish and Latino immigrants. What countries speak primarily English, but not French, and have a large migrant community of Spanish speakers?

Not to mention, statistically speaking, unless Canadians love Sherdog more than Americans, you're almost 10 times as likely to encounter Americans on Sherdog than Canadians.
 
Make getting a license to drive any kind of vehicle dependent on being able to use the English language.

Implemented by having the written part of the test in English only.

Not a good idea to have people driving who do not understand the traffic rules and regulations.
 
Make getting a license to drive any kind of vehicle dependent on being able to use the English language.

Implemented by having the written part of the test in English only.

Not a good idea to have people driving who do not understand the traffic rules and regulations.
Even if you took driving classes and tests in another language, you'd still know the regulations
 
Make getting a license to drive any kind of vehicle dependent on being able to use the English language.

Implemented by having the written part of the test in English only.

Not a good idea to have people driving who do not understand the traffic rules and regulations.
So people shouldn't drive when they visit a foreign country they don't know the language of? Avis and Enterprise would have a few things to say about that, lol.
Don't know about you but I've driven in heaps of countries where I don't speak their language and haven't caused a catastrophe.
 
Make getting a license to drive any kind of vehicle dependent on being able to use the English language.

Implemented by having the written part of the test in English only.

Not a good idea to have people driving who do not understand the traffic rules and regulations.
You don't need to be fluent in order to understand traffic rules and regulations. How do you think Western tourists drive in other countries? They sure as shit aren't fluent.
 
Even if you took driving classes and tests in another language, you'd still know the regulations
not at 60 mph, people, even natives dont even have time to see a lot of stuff on the road. Even with signs with diagrams and so on, it's not always clear. Even "25mph" isn't always clear, not when everyone else is going 45. Unless you're on the same roads every day you won't know a lot of things. I've been honked at taking 50mph literally. Going too slow for the locals.

Driving is dangerous as fuck, why people don't take it more seriously I guess is it's usually not them having the jaws of live taking them out of a piece of shredded metal. We just had 4 teens drive over an 80ft offramp here, I think we have laws prohibiting the speed as well as teens having a bunch of their moron buddies in the cars to pump them up, doesn't work. That's just ONE demographic that has issues with driving but there are many.
 
So people shouldn't drive when they visit a foreign country they don't know the language of? Avis and Enterprise would have a few things to say about that, lol.
Don't know about you but I've driven in heaps of countries where I don't speak their language and haven't caused a catastrophe.
don't people wreck in the uk for driving on the wrong side quite commonly, same language and all. People are stupid.
 
How the fuck are they gonna call 911 or talk to a doctor or talk to a cop
i came across a couple mexicans overturned on a 25 mph road about 6 years ago. It looked bad and one guy was on the road pleading for drivers to stop, it was 3 am and no one but me did. They didn't sound fluent, by the time I got to the car after parking, the other driver was out, both unhurt, screaming, drunk and begging me to call police, just wierd. Truth is, if I knew no one was hurt I'd have never stopped. Couple idiots who I don't know what the story ended like but I got the hell out of there before the cops came, i'm sure they had to answer some questions. drove the same road in the morning and the car was cleared. But, they had no phone, or maybe they couldn't find it if they did and looked desperate. Again, only reason i stopped was I thought someone may have been hurt.

How the fuck do you overturn a car on a 25 mph road? Idiots.
 
Nah. There are a significant portion of immigrants who do just fine without knowing English. Especially Mandarin Chinese speakers. They all have apps that are pretty easy to use to translate. Eventually they’ll be comfortable with it. Until then, obviously their employment opportunities would be limited but not nonexistent by any means.
those folks have their own communities to help/exploit/hire/use whatever you want to call it. We have them all over in my town, people who can't understand a single sentence, just folks trying to survive. Chinese, Ethiopians, middle easterners, often times hire their own. Americans doing some of those gigs would just be a pain in the ass culturally too. I go to a coffee shop that just recently replaced all their white girls with asian men and women, not sure what happened but I could take a pretty good guess.
 
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