Opinion As a westerner, would you be pro-migrants or be anti-migrants, what are you ? [2025-Edition]

[Brampton_Boy]

The research actually said that exact opposite if you measure overtime. Those groups all speak english today ALL of them. There are multi generational immigrants today in the US from south america that don't speak a lick of english.

Yes. Let me know when the Irish and the Chinese refuse to participate in anything that isn't their own culture.

Many people are, and you know they are just like you are playing games with your line of questioning

The Term “Melting Pot” Was Once Used as a Tool to Promote Cultural Assimilation

In conversations about diversity in the United States, we often hear the term “Melting Pot” being used to refer to the mix of cultures and practices throughout regions. You may hear someone referring to a populous city as a Melting Pot. This term, commonly seen as a positive display of cultural...

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"Melting Pot" a Derogatory and Incorrect Phrase - The Occidental

Author: Daina Solomon Think back to your childhood. Have you heard this song: “You simply melt right in/It doesn’t matter what your skin/where you’re from or your religion/You jump right in to the great American melting pot.”This song is from Schoolhouse Rock, the classic educational children’s...

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It's not as bad as the US but ask anyone in the UK or Canada that question and you will get sickening answers.

By claiming asylum in Canada you will get more than any veteran gets, more than anyone on disability gets, more than anyone on CPP which is the Canadian pension fund.

Your second sentence is just not true. The RAP (Resettlement Assistance Program) program has very clear rules surrounding the assistance that asylum seekers get, and the assistance is limited to one year maximum.

The current RAP payment rates are listed on the provincial website. It is nowhere near as much as you are suggesting it is: https://www.rstp.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Ontario-RAP-rates-revised.pdf

 

[lowlife]

Anti migrant, everyone should go back to their country/continent of original origin and give America back to the natives.

 

[shunyata]

Same BS people complained about with Irish, Italian, and German immigrants in the late 18 and early 1900s.

Goddamn cheap Irish bastards are takin all the good jobs!

 

[avenue94]

The research actually said that exact opposite if you measure overtime. Those groups all speak english today ALL of them. There are multi generational immigrants today in the US from south america that don't speak a lick of english.

OK, show me this research that indicates higher English literacy rates among immigrants in the 19th century.

And where are these multi generation immigrants in the US who don't speak of lick of English? You're from fucking Canada, have you ever even spent time in the American Southwest?

Yes. Let me know when the Irish and the Chinese refuse to participate in anything that isn't their own culture.

Who are these modern immigrants refusing to participate in cultures outside of their own?

Many people are, and you know they are just like you are playing games with your line of questioning

The Term “Melting Pot” Was Once Used as a Tool to Promote Cultural Assimilation

In conversations about diversity in the United States, we often hear the term “Melting Pot” being used to refer to the mix of cultures and practices throughout regions. You may hear someone referring to a populous city as a Melting Pot. This term, commonly seen as a positive display of cultural...

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The first article covers the history of the term melting pot and proposes salad bowl as a more accurate metaphor. I don't see any accusation that using the term in the modern context is racist, quote me where that pops up.
" Ironically, instead of being a negative descriptor of the problems plaguing American society, this term is used to promote and advertise the complex and diverse cultures within the United States. "

The second article are the musings one a college student writing in their school newspaper. Wow, what a credible source that provides insight into millions of Americans. And again, nowhere does it refer to melting pot as a racist term.

It's not as bad as the US but ask anyone in the UK or Canada that question and you will get sickening answers.

By claiming asylum in Canada you will get more than any veteran gets, more than anyone on disability gets, more than anyone on CPP which is the Canadian pension fund.

Be specific, what programs do immigrants get that other Canadians don't.

 

[avenue94]

I don't disagree. I'm all for legal migration - I just wanted to emphasize the point that skilled migration is the key to innovation and growth in the West.

I'm a professor at a major university in Toronto, and I would estimate that 70% of our graduate students are immigrants. If you go to the STEM disciplines, they are almost exclusively Indian/Asian/Arab students in the PhD programs.

People who are anti-immigration think that this is some sort of conspiracy to prevent Canadian/American born students from pursuing graduate studies/professional programs, but the hard truth is, it's often immigrant students (or the children of immigrants) that perform the best.

I didn't really think you did, but skilled immigrants are useless without "unskilled" ones as well. The US has historically relied more on the latter, with the former being a more recent intentional policy that before that was mostly bycatch so to speak.

 

[Lycandroid]

OK, show me this research that indicates higher English literacy rates among immigrants in the 19th century.

Apparently you are not smart enough to understand what the words "Measure over time" mean.

And where are these multi generation immigrants in the US who don't speak of lick of English? You're from fucking Canada, have you ever even spent time in the American Southwest?

Why did you ask me this question only to immediately answer it yourself ? Yes I have been to every southern US state that borders Mexico, I have family from AZ and my wife is from there.

Who are these modern immigrants refusing to participate in cultures outside of their own?

Come to Canada go hang out with east indians, enroll your kid in public school where you see christmas celebrations are cancelled because they offend muslims.

The first article covers the history of the term melting pot and proposes salad bowl as a more accurate metaphor. I don't see any accusation that using the term in the modern context is racist, quote me where that pops up.
" Ironically, instead of being a negative descriptor of the problems plaguing American society, this term is used to promote and advertise the complex and diverse cultures within the United States. "

The second article are the musings one a college student writing in their school newspaper. Wow, what a credible source that provides insight into millions of Americans. And again, nowhere does it refer to melting pot as a racist term.

There are plenty more examples try googling some shit yourself, I gave you two examples out of thousands of search results

Be specific, what programs do immigrants get that other Canadians don't.

They are all listed on the service Canada website, public information. But there are many different programs and payments to both refugees and new immigrants. From living allowances to government subsidized wages newcomers are treated like royalty compared to Canadians who are in need, and they laugh in our faces for it.

 

[TheMoa]

If Brazil was in the west and if you were it's president, you would accept migrants to live there as long as they respect the law end are beneficial to society, but you would not accept parasites, rapists and thugs.

You have more common sense than most western politicians.

The thing is... migrants that are rapists an thugs wouldn't last here. We have enough brazilian born cornering this market and they protect their territory lol

BTW most brazilians consider themselves westerners, since we are mostly a christian country. The idea of "global south" is kind of new here, it isnt in the minds of most people (tough Trump's actions are kind of bringing it to surface).
Brazil actually gets migrants from Africa, they're generally accepted and well behaved. Occasionally we do have news of a random one showing up dead.
In the past we had Cuban doctors too, it worked out all right.. the problem was mostly politicians from the opposition and brazilian doctors complaining, but the program worked well.

But Brazil is a really different place in terms of ethnicities, we had huge italian, german, japonese, lebanese, syrian and pole communities in the country formation, some ukranians too. Plus the portuguese and spanish who started the colonization, we also got millions of africans from the slave trade and the native population with a ton of interbreeding so we are racists in a different way than the rest of the world.

So we are genneraly all right with migration, if they can make it here means they're worthy

 

[avenue94]

Apparently you are not smart enough to understand what the words "Measure over time" mean.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't stupid enough to try and argue that immigrants who arrived in the 19th century speak more English because they've only had 150 years to assimilate. Apparently I was too generous.

Again, the research we have indicates that modern immigrants speak English at higher rates than historical US immigrants.

Why did you ask me this question only to immediately answer it yourself ? Yes I have been to every southern US state that borders Mexico, I have family from AZ and my wife is from there.

And the vast majority of immigrants, legal or not, speak English. Yet you seem unaware of this and intent on honing in only on outliers.

Come to Canada go hang out with east indians, enroll your kid in public school where you see christmas celebrations are cancelled because they offend muslims.

Oh the horror of Happy Holidays. Guess Canada is only a couple decades behind the wedge issue curve. I'll agree that the US is far better at assimilating immigrants than most countries, but that's a Canada/Europe needs to do better problem. It's not like the US has a magical pool of migrants that other countries don't access.

Apparently you are not smart enough to understand what the words "Measure over time" mean.

Why did you ask me this question only to immediately answer it yourself ? Yes I have been to every southern US state that borders Mexico, I have family from AZ and my wife is from there.

Come to Canada go hang out with east indians, enroll your kid in public school where you see christmas celebrations are cancelled because they offend muslims.

There are plenty more examples try googling some shit yourself, I gave you two examples out of thousands of search results

They are all listed on the service Canada website, public information. But there are many different programs and payments to both refugees and new immigrants. From living allowances to government subsidized wages newcomers are treated like royalty compared to Canadians who are in need, and they laugh in our faces for it.

And yet I don't see Democrats or liberals en mass attacking the use of the term melting pot. Touch grass instead of rage porn, my northern neighbor.

They are all listed on the service Canada website, public information. But there are many different programs and payments to both refugees and new immigrants. From living allowances to government subsidized wages newcomers are treated like royalty compared to Canadians who are in need, and they laugh in our faces for it.

Link it, not tik tok garbage. Or are you unable to do your own thinking for yourself?

 

[avenue94]

But Brazil is a really different place in terms of ethnicities, we had huge italian, german, japonese, lebanese, syrian and pole communities in the country formation, some ukranians too. Plus the portuguese and spanish who started the colonization, we also got millions of africans from the slave trade and the native population with a ton of interbreeding so we are racists in a different way than the rest of the world.

So we are genneraly all right with migration, if they can make it here means they're worthy

Brazil is actually one of the most similar countries to the US as far as racial divisions and troubled pasts integrating everyone. Except ya'll chose a more durable caste system unfortunately, and that's harder to break down.

 

[TheMoa]

Brazil is actually one of the most similar countries to the US as far as racial divisions and troubled pasts integrating everyone. Except ya'll chose a more durable caste system unfortunately, and that's harder to break down.

We got more africans from the slave trade than any country in the world and we killed less native americans because of the catholic church.
Plus most portuguese man didnt come with family, so they either married or raped their way to a more mixed country. And I dont think it was a conscious choice, since we were the last country of the Americas to abolish slavery
There's actually some funny shit like a portuguese noble marrying different woman from various tribes as a form of political alliance and later the mixed kids leading militias against Dutch invasors (the portuguese crown wouldnt ever be able to defend the territory here)

 

[Sturm]

This is one of the biggest lies on this forum lol

We have people complaining about doctors coming in now

Just say the truth and stop hiding behind bs

Naw dude. I'm still pro immigration. I'm complaining about the current model. You're the liar if you're claiming there is no difference between late 90s/early 2000s and today in how it's being handled

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Pro legal migration within certain boundaries that take into consideration first and foremost the well-being of the native population. Culture is more important than GDP.
Against illegal immigration that needs a 100% return rate.

 

[cooks1]

American. 100% Pro immigrant.

The notion they are lazy is laughable. Most went through more travail just to get here than 90% of Americans will endure in their lives. They do the jobs we won't deign to do. Americans are the lazy ones.

They are criminals? Some may be, but less so than Americans. Aside from being here illegally, the immigrant crime rate (both legal and illegal) is lower than the citizen crime rate in virtually every category.

Make coming here LEGALLY fast, easy and as close to free as possible. The more the merrier. Check them out, give everyone a work ID # when they get here. And watch the cash rain in. Immigrants (legal and illegal) pay over $200 into social security for every dollar paid out to them. I don't know about you, but I like the idea of immigrants funding my retirement.

 

[Bubzeh]

I don't get where this "legal migration is fine" notion has come from all of a sudden. Cringeworthy saying that the media has worked everyone up into saying and agreeing to. "Let's still wipe out our culture JUST AS LONG AS THEY'RE PAYING THEIR TAXES. "

Anyway, I'm good with any kind of migration, don't care if they hop on the back of a ford escort, just as long as it's females of a certain age, from certain nations and of a certain age group.

 

[badascan]

Individuals with integrity in the west have to bypass the labels and avoid emotional thinking to affect a positive society as it relates to third world emigration and multiculturalism on a macro scale. Migrants are great and offer tons of beneficial things for a country, within reason, but these migrants have to assimilate to a broad (in the states) cultural identity or maybe a much more specific (European) one, and a national identity otherwise we develop the problems we're seeing in every western nation...