Economy Should ENGLISH proficiency be a REQUIREMENT for migrants?

[Scerpi]

Peru, Mexico, Ecuador, Colombia, Guatemala, Bolivia.

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Worth it

 

[Cajun]

Then clarify your point instead of repeating the idea that you're so misunderstood.

Go on, explain where the confusion and try to not contradict yourself.


This all started because I had an issue with people living here for decades without caring enough to learn a word of English and it being easy because they live in these insular communities. These are citizens we are talking about.

He's switching the goal posts because he realizes how fucking stupid his position of us needing to sign language with one another sounds.

Yeah temporary is a relative term. Obviously if you are talking years and years then yeah. Living in texas obviously I see it a lot. It is easy to isolate with other Spanish speakers and never have to speak english. Learning any language in a country you move to should be an expectation. In certain places in the states though its incredibly easy without it.

 

[avenue94]

They work cheaper than citizens

Read into that what you will

Right, so why are you not mad at the employer for cheaping out then? In this case, the employee is just doing the job they're hired for.

It's like getting upset at a nurse for not being a doctor because the hospital was cheap.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I already did doofus and responded to all of it.

Lol you literally responded saying you ignored what I said. But ok bud.

You don't have the ability to illustrate where I went wrong so you're dancing around the request.

Its already been illustrated where you went wrong goofy. Learn. To. Read.

To be a citizen, it is already required to learn English. Others residents dont need this requirement. People can and do make a good living in the States without good English.
Unless they need it for their full citizenship or a specific job, they should not be forced to learn it.

Learning languages is good. It shouldn't be a requirement.

Simple enough for ya?

 

[Rob Battisti]

Feels like America is the only country on the planet where a significant part of the population sees it as nothing more than an economic zone.

no culture, no nothing. just work, in the best case, or an opportunity to leech off at worst.
of course those that have no culture don't have an issue with others with no respect or interest for the culture to keep coming in.

it's from this group you also see the "food is enough culture" argument. it's a retarded, ignorant position, but it's where we are at the moment. reading is hard.

I’ve argued with so many over the incredibly basic concept of national identity. It boggles my mind that people believe that there is no such thing.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I’ve argued with so many over the incredibly basic concept of national identity. It boggles my mind that people believe that there is no such thing.

people with no culture think like that.
cultural orphans that will burn the village because they don't recognize the need for cultural community.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I’ve argued with so many over the incredibly basic concept of national identity. It boggles my mind that people believe that there is no such thing.

National identity is a thing. It just isn't the same as National homogeny. Multiculturalism isn't in conflict with having a national identity. Growing up, thats how I saw America. Being a melting pot was part of the identity to me

The question is what do you want the national identity to look like.

 

[OaklandIsMyCity]

Why should I care? People act as if they interact with these different communities on a daily basis. Nine times out of ten unless you work in a public environment you interact with the same people everyday.

 

[Thrawn33]

I always presumed that, if I moved to another country, it would be seen as the height of disrespect if I didn't become conversationally proficient in the language by the time I moved there.

Same.

Hell I try to learn very basic language if I'm only visiting.

 

[PBAC]

A lot of English speakers living abroad don't speak the native language

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

Lol you literally responded saying you ignored what I said. But ok bud.

Its already been illustrated where you went wrong goofy. Learn. To. Read.

To be a citizen, it is already required to learn English. Others residents dont need this requirement. People can and do make a good living in the States without good English.
Unless they need it for their full citizenship or a specific job, they should not be forced to learn it.

Learning languages is good. It shouldn't be a requirement.

Simple enough for ya?

These are all things I already touched on previously and I also pointed out the inherent contradiction In your logic.

You're playing stupid now making the distinction between temporary vs permanent immigrant as if you weren't arguing this entire time for these socially isolated ethno-linguistic enclaves that are more or less permanently situated.

Learning languages is good, now apply some consistency where it matters and stop projecting your stupidity onto everyone because you were able to to sign language your empanada order once upon a time.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

These are all things I already touched on previously and I also pointed out the inherent contradiction In your logic.

Lol no you didn't. You just kept responding with strawman arguments that had nothing to do with what I said or "hur dur how do talk with no English "

You're playing stupid

I've been nothing but straightforward. You on the other hand are just being stupid.

apply some consistency

Been consistent this whole time. You'll see that once you let yourself calm down some bud

 

[Khaosan]

National identity is a thing. It just isn't the same as National homogeny. Multiculturalism isn't in conflict with having a national identity. Growing up, thats how I saw America. Being a melting pot was part of the identity to me

The question is what do you want the national identity to look like.

I have a feeling that I know exactly how this question would be answered by a lot of posters here.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

Lol no you didn't. You just kept responding with strawman arguments that had nothing to do with I said or "hur dur how do talk with no English "

I've been nothing but straightforward. You on the other hand are just being stupid.

Been consistent this whole time. You'll see that once you let yourself calm down some bud

There's nothing indicating im freaking out. Your basically at the point where you have to throw anything and everything at the wall in hopes something sticks.

But let's cut the shit, do YOU think immigrants hoping to become citizens should be forced to learn English? A yes or no will suffice.

 

[My Spot]

It should according to Nobel peace prize winner Barack H. Obama.

 

[AWilder]

There's nothing indicating im freaking out. Your basically at the point where you have to throw anything and everything at the wall in hopes something sticks.

But let's cut the shit, do YOU think immigrants hoping to become citizens should be forced to learn English? A yes or no will suffice.

you cant even make an argument in good faith. thanks for the public meltdown

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

There's nothing indicating im freaking out.

Whatever you gotta tell yourself.

But let's cut the shit

Been waiting for you to do that this entire time.

do YOU think immigrants hoping to become citizens should be forced to learn English? A yes or no will suffice.

You've literally quoted my answer to this half a dozen times now. Read. It won't kill you to try it.

 

[Natural Order]

Of course, what a silly question.

 

[Rob Battisti]

National identity is a thing. It just isn't the same as National homogeny. Multiculturalism isn't in conflict with having a national identity. Growing up, thats how I saw America. Being a melting pot was part of the identity to me

The question is what do you want the national identity to look like.

I’m glad we agree. Multiculturalism can be a national identity.

My problem was smart asses claiming national identity didn’t exist.

Americas identity is one of accepting those, and integrating those, of different cultures into AMERICAN culture.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I’m glad we agree. Multiculturalism can be a national identity.

My problem was smart asses claiming national identity didn’t exist.

Americas identity is one of accepting those, and integrating those, of different cultures into AMERICAN culture.

Yup yup. Fully agree