Crime Shooting at University of Nevada, Multiple Victims Suspected (Shooter Deceased)

[DiddlyDoodly]

I also like how people who bring up that guns are present in gang infested urban areas never want to discuss how they got there. Would be far less gubs floating around Chicago used in gang violence were it not for Indiana.

There are 300 million illegal guns in the country. It's not hard to get one. Blaming Indiana is silly.

 

[SandisLL]

CCW in case if you have alarm period before attack is excellent stuff, open carry too. While if you will get well prepared attack then ....vuala will happen.

Criminals also doesn't care about law on paper and sometimes are using as threat tool submachine guns in countries where pepper sprays are banned for casuals....as tools to commit robbery by using firearms as threats. Drugs too are awailable, likes this or no real life is real life.

 

[spamking]

personal gun ownership was ALWAYS heavily regulated even in times after the 2nd amendment was ratified.

Saying it was always heavily regulated is a stretch to me . . . Background checks weren't even required for dealer sales until 1998.

 

[spamking]

I also like how people who bring up that guns are present in gang infested urban areas never want to discuss how they got there. Would be far less gubs floating around Chicago used in gang violence were it not for Indiana.

Yes and no . . .

ATF Trace data shows the top five states where guns recovered in Illinois were originally purchased from are Illinois (49.8%), Indiana (16.7%), Missouri (5.4%), Wisconsin (3.9%) and Kentucky (2.6%). Federal agents at the ATF identified the source state of 11,708 traced firearms in 2020.

 

[andnowweknow]

No one thinks this way, you just want to show the opposition in the poorest light possible. You don’t have a genuine interest in having a conversation; you are an absolute hypocrite that can’t separate their feelings from facts, logic , and reason.
We are witnessing cultural decay. Your mentality would only be effective if you removed all the guns from private ownership. The only way this happens is door to door gun confiscation (by men the government decided we’re responsible with guns)
Great plan Gestapo Bro

Good grief. Shocking you'd go full extreme and suggest going door to door ala Nazis is the only way gun restriction and availability could work. You're talking to yourself in the mirror and pretending the reflection is someone else.

As I said, the difference between the United States and other countries regarding mass shooting gun violence is quantifiable...you can weigh it, count it and measure it. And it's obvious.

All you're saying is that you care more about your right to get a gun as easily as possible more than responsible momentum towards saving people's lives. I'm not saying you don't care about the lives of kids in schools...I'm just saying that you care about it less than your "right" to own a thousand guns and get them with ease because you aren't the problem. I understand it's frustrating to have to sacrifice your "rights" for the sake of others, I definitely wish all gun owners were as responsible as you appear to be.

 

[Sinister]

Yes and no . . .

ATF Trace data shows the top five states where guns recovered in Illinois were originally purchased from are Illinois (49.8%), Indiana (16.7%), Missouri (5.4%), Wisconsin (3.9%) and Kentucky (2.6%). Federal agents at the ATF identified the source state of 11,708 traced firearms in 2020.

Right, less than half the guns actually come from Illinois. Then you also have the problem of stolen guns from legal owners, happens quite a bit. I used to train a CO whose gun was stolen out of his car, he never reported it because he didnt want to get fired, well that gun is probably floating around Vegas right now doing all sorts of fun stuff.

 

[My Spot]

No one thinks this way, you just want to show the opposition in the poorest light possible. You don’t have a genuine interest in having a conversation; you are an absolute hypocrite that can’t separate their feelings from facts, logic , and reason.
We are witnessing cultural decay. Your mentality would only be effective if you removed all the guns from private ownership. The only way this happens is door to door gun confiscation (by men the government decided we’re responsible with guns)
Great plan Gestapo Bro

Why waste your time arguing with someone who thinks certain guns should be banned based on how they look?

 

[Sinister]

Saying it was always heavily regulated is a stretch to me . . . Background checks weren't even required for dealer sales until 1998.

That's because you seem to have a hard time with relative terms, sometimes. Early American colonies had fairly anti-capitalist gun laws against selling arms to Natives at the penalty of being held a traitor. Conditions and restrictions on gun ownership and carrying have been in place since guns have been here. Stating otherwise is just plain nonsense, there was no period of US History with completely unhindered gun ownership, despite there also being opposition to that regulation (meaning some people considered it "heavy".)

 

[Belaya Smert]

No. It's not black and white. And it's not a situation that will be resolved when the gun lobby and gun advocacy portion of the populace is interested in conflating dissimilar issues JUST so their side doesn't have to compromise.

What 2nd ammendment advocates really want to say is "sorry for the loss of your kid...omelets require eggs, sorry yours broke"...instead, we hear "but what about the black people in Chicago!!!

Good grief. Shocking you'd go full extreme and suggest going door to door ala Nazis is the only way gun restriction and availability could work. You're talking to yourself in the mirror and pretending the reflection is someone else.

As I said, the difference between the United States and other countries regarding mass shooting gun violence is quantifiable...you can weigh it, count it and measure it.

All you're saying is that you care more about your right to get a gun as easily as possible more than responsible momentum towards saving people's lives. I'm not saying you don't care about the lives of kids in schools...I'm just saying that you care about it less than your "right" to own a thousand guns and get them with ease because you aren't the problem. I understand it's frustrating to have to sacrifice your "rights" for the sake of others, I definitely wish all gun owners were as responsible as you appear to be.

I know an awful lot of people that own guns; I am by no means an exception in that regard.
The Nazi thing is actually not real far off; we have more guns than citizens and when given the opportunity of compliance with legislation that is passed. We choose to ignore it in mass. Giving up legal property for the sake of perceived safety is simply not gonna fly on any level. I don’t give up my ability to drive a car or drink a beer because people die in DUI related car crashes. I think we should promote encouraging the legal responsibilities gun owner and not vilify and attack his position because he can’t be guilted into compliance with unjust laws that adversely effects those who’s are part of the solution.

 

[Sinister]

There are 300 million illegal guns in the country. It's not hard to get one. Blaming Indiana is silly.

Suggesting that poor people in Chicago have the means to get to 300 million guns across the entire Country is sillier. Looking at the proximity of Chicago to Gary is significantly less silly.

 

[Sinister]

I know an awful lot of people that own guns; I am by no means an exception in that regard.
The Nazi thing is actually not real far off; we have more guns than citizens and when given the opportunity of compliance with legislation that is passed. We choose to ignore it in mass. Giving up legal property for the sake of perceived safety is simply not gonna fly on any level. I don’t give up my ability to drive a car or drink a beer because people die in DUI related car crashes. I think we should promote encouraging the legal responsibilities gun owner and not vilify and attack his position because he can’t be guilted into compliance with unjust laws that adversely effects those who’s are part of the solution.

For what it's worth, the change is possible when the means and infrastructure of change are implemented. You are not going to give up beer or driving despite DUI deaths because it doesnt make much sense to. The US is car-dependent in our infrastructure. Other Countries have easier and less expensive means of traveling than cars, thus, people use them because they're faster and cheaper. Gun buy-back programs are wildly popular, even here. Events held in California and Texas that were giving out vouchers were overwhelmed with response and ran out of vouchers hours before they anticipated they would. This was also very popular when gun legislation tightened in Australia. There was no need to confiscate if you paid people.

These measures can be combined with better gun education and common sense laws similar to what Switzerland has. When this becomes impossible is when the "I should be able to do whatever I want" mentality is pushed to the forefront.

 

[Belaya Smert]

Why waste your time arguing with someone who thinks certain guns should be banned based on how they look?

If I stopped at every erroneous and incorrect assertion made by the civilian disarmament camp we wouldn’t be able to have the conversation. I enjoy pointing out the statistical inaccuracies in their ideology and poor results of their intended policy in relation to gun control.

 

[Belaya Smert]

For what it's worth, the change is possible when the means and infrastructure of change are implemented. You are not going to give up beer or driving despite DUI deaths because it doesnt make much sense to. The US is car-dependent in our infrastructure. Other Countries have easier and less expensive means of traveling than cars, thus, people use them because they're faster and cheaper. Gun buy-back programs are wildly popular, even here. Events held in California and Texas that were giving out vouchers were overwhelmed with response and ran out of vouchers hours before they anticipated they would. This was also very popular when gun legislation tightened in Australia. There was no need to confiscate if you paid people.

These measures can be combined with better gun education and common sense laws similar to what Switzerland has. When this becomes impossible is when the "I should be able to do whatever I want" mentality is pushed to the forefront.

That’s a lot of what I mean when i say culturally we need to get better. We have an entire population of new and first time gun owners often with little to no training in their backgrounds. Grow up around guns and you don’t see the same instances of mishandling and misuse. Cultivating the respect and responsibility in owning a firearm is something growing up around responsible gun owners instills. Respect and responsibility are two things we should seek as a society to instill in our citizens.

 

[Sinister]

That’s a lot of what I mean when i say culturally we need to get better. We have an entire population of new and first time gun owners often with little to no training in their backgrounds. Grow up around guns and you don’t see the same instances of mishandling and misuse. Cultivating the respect and responsibility in owning a firearm is something growing up around responsible gun owners instills. Respect and responsibility are two things we should seek as a society to instill in our citizens.

No real objection to this. Although I do think that gun manufacturers see the chaos as an opportunity to profit and that is a hugely unaccounted-for factor in the discussion.

 

[My Spot]

For what it's worth, the change is possible when the means and infrastructure of change are implemented. You are not going to give up beer or driving despite DUI deaths because it doesnt make much sense to. The US is car-dependent in our infrastructure. Other Countries have easier and less expensive means of traveling than cars, thus, people use them because they're faster and cheaper. Gun buy-back programs are wildly popular, even here. Events held in California and Texas that were giving out vouchers were overwhelmed with response and ran out of vouchers hours before they anticipated they would. This was also very popular when gun legislation tightened in Australia. There was no need to confiscate if you paid people.

These measures can be combined with better gun education and common sense laws similar to what Switzerland has. When this becomes impossible is when the "I should be able to do whatever I want" mentality is pushed to the forefront.

Of course people like gun buy-backs, they can get money for inoperable guns or guns nobody wants.
What "common sense" laws are you talking about?

 

[Deleted member 585708]

I know an awful lot of people that own guns; I am by no means an exception in that regard.
The Nazi thing is actually not real far off; we have more guns than citizens and when given the opportunity of compliance with legislation that is passed. We choose to ignore it in mass. Giving up legal property for the sake of perceived safety is simply not gonna fly on any level. I don’t give up my ability to drive a car or drink a beer because people die in DUI related car crashes. I think we should promote encouraging the legal responsibilities gun owner and not vilify and attack his position because he can’t be guilted into compliance with unjust laws that adversely effects those who’s are part of the solution.

Are DUI related car crashes homicides and suicides in most cases?

Because I'm pretty sure when people are shot and killed in America, it's usually either homicide or suicide, with some accidents of course. DUI related car crashes also aren't often self defence, unlike with guns.

Guns are weapons. Cars generally are not, with exceptions.

 

[Belaya Smert]

No real objection to this. Although I do think that gun manufacturers see the chaos as an opportunity to profit and that is a hugely unaccounted-for factor in the discussion.

So would the federal government when you see gun sales surge. (Usually around proposed legislation) there is a 10% tax added onto any completed/assembled firearm.

 

[My Spot]

So would the federal government when you see gun sales surge. (Usually around proposed legislation) there is a 10% tax added onto any completed/assembled firearm.

I think it's 12% now.

 

[spamking]

That's because you seem to have a hard time with relative terms, sometimes. Early American colonies had fairly anti-capitalist gun laws against selling arms to Natives at the penalty of being held a traitor. Conditions and restrictions on gun ownership and carrying have been in place since guns have been here. Stating otherwise is just plain nonsense, there was no period of US History with completely unhindered gun ownership, despite there also being opposition to that regulation (meaning some people considered it "heavy".)

Wow. Okay. I guess our idea of restrictions and conditions are different. We used to be able to order guns from a catalog and have them shipped directly to our home. That's less restriction than today and pretty unhindered to me. But whatever.

 

[Belaya Smert]

Are DUI related car crashes homicides and suicides in most cases?

Because I'm pretty sure when people are shot and killed in America, it's usually either homicide or suicide, with some accidents of course. DUI related car crashes also aren't often self defence, unlike with guns.

Guns are weapons. Cars generally are not, with exceptions.

If you have ill intent anything within arms each can be used as a weapon. Suicides account for over 60% of deaths involving firearms. They will add these to the total number of deaths and relay them only as total homicides. I don’t find it surprising people don’t generally know this. You are being lied to intentionally.