shogun gets BJJ BB from shembri

[kimurense]

Shogun got his black belt in the dressing room of pride GP after his fight with arona. the guy that awarded him his BB as non other then antonio "nino" shembri.

sorce and photos in tatame.co.uk

http://www.tatame.com.br/index1.htm

just thought you guys would like to know..

 

[grecoguy43]

that is fuckin' cool

 

[Jason Pair]

I suppose it's deserved.

 

[Jason Pair]

Even though the asshole cost me 100 dollars by knocking out Arona.

 

[Kuroi Kaze]

eh? is this shit honorary (like silva's BS belt) or actually earned?

 

[tudor_bjj]

I'm sure honorary... But not that honorary as in Silva's case...

 

[Foolkiller]

Considering he won none of his fights via submission, I don't understand how he gets a BB in BJJ for his win.

 

[kimurense]

it's not about winning via submission, he grappled with two of the best the world has to offer (minotouro and arona) and was victoriouse, plus shembri says he is the real deal, thats good enough for me...

kimo has a bb by the way, who do you thing is better on the ground

 

[Sauron]

The difference is that shogun has actually showed good BJJ when he fights.

 

[Waxwingslain]

That omoplata against Arona was wicked.

Shogun would batter most jiu jitsu black belts.

 

[mmahamzah]

he didnt deserve it but he deserved it more than wand

 

[Deleted member 3729]

Considering he won none of his fights via submission, I don't understand how he gets a BB in BJJ for his win.

Maybe they were just waiting for a good moment to present it.

 

[alexgncw]

Considering he won none of his fights via submission, I don't understand how he gets a BB in BJJ for his win.

its not all about submissions though he showed great ground control against one of the best bjj fighters in the world (arona) along with others

 

[Bubble Boy]

Maybe they were just waiting for a good moment to present it.

That's what I was thinking. The same thing happens at Judo tournaments occasionally: a guy has demonstrated everything he needs to in the gym, and then he goes out and beats the best black belts in his division; thus he's presented with his black belt at the tournament, usually at the same time he's awarded the gold medal on the podium. I think it's a classy way to go about it.

 

[Foolkiller]

Arona got his ribs fucked up in the last minute of the Wand fight and was not 100% against Shogun. He didn't go to the ground with Minotauro for very long at any point, adopting more of a Fedor vs Nog gameplan. I think this is much like Wand getting his black belt for KOing and decisioning guys for 4 years, it's merely watering down BJJ by giving black belts to average grapplers with great striking who are in prominent positions in MMA. It's bullshit. I don't deny both Shogun and Wand are competent grapplers with great striking, but great grapplers with great striking? No.

 

[Darwinist]

Yeah, Shogun has showed really good BJJ skills, far better than Silva and also keep in mind that diffrent people interpret Jiu-Jitsu in diffrent ways. Some people feel that winning MMA bouts no matter whether it

 

[Foolkiller]

How exactly does a KO indicate jiujitsu ability?

 

[Darwinist]

Like I said, some people think that the highest level of BJJ ability is to consistently win Vale Tudo matches. As long as said competitor is affiliated with a BJJ school, how he goes about winning is irrelevant.

Remember that although BJJ is heavily ground-oriented many old-school BJJ

 

[aaron_mag]

Doesn't he train BJJ regularly? Was it his BJJ coach who awarded him the BB? And what was his rank before?

From what I've seen he has a great sub defense (seen him get out of triangles with Babalau and the guilloteen from Overeem). Plus he almost got an omoplata. But if he just got the award of the BB from someone who hasn't seen him training and just said, "Well he won the GP after all" then I've got to agree with Superbeast. Guys work hard and go to BJJ gi tournaments to prove themselves worthy of the BB honor. To just give it out to someone who doesn't follow that path seems like a bit of a slap in the face...

And I don't train BJJ. So this is just an outsider perspective...

 

[tudor_bjj]

BB means you know almost every fucking detail about JJ, not that you pull an omoplata in a vale-tudo fight. Now if Wand has great hands, can he train an elite boxer? If I pull a leg lock in competition does that make be a sambo specialist?