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Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by kimurense, Sep 7, 2005.

  1. kimurense

    kimurense Brown Belt

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    Shogun got his black belt in the dressing room of pride GP after his fight with arona. the guy that awarded him his BB as non other then antonio "nino" shembri.

    sorce and photos in tatame.co.uk

    http://www.tatame.com.br/index1.htm

    just thought you guys would like to know..
     
  2. grecoguy43

    grecoguy43 Blue Belt

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    that is fuckin' cool
     
  3. Jason Pair

    Jason Pair Amateur Fighter

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    I suppose it's deserved.
     
  4. Jason Pair

    Jason Pair Amateur Fighter

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    Even though the asshole cost me 100 dollars by knocking out Arona.
     
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    Kuroi Kaze Blue Belt

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    eh? is this shit honorary (like silva's BS belt) or actually earned?
     
  6. tudor_bjj

    tudor_bjj Purple Belt

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    I'm sure honorary... But not that honorary as in Silva's case...
     
  7. Foolkiller

    Foolkiller You have meddled with the primal forces of nature!

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    Considering he won none of his fights via submission, I don't understand how he gets a BB in BJJ for his win.
     
  8. kimurense

    kimurense Brown Belt

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    it's not about winning via submission, he grappled with two of the best the world has to offer (minotouro and arona) and was victoriouse, plus shembri says he is the real deal, thats good enough for me...

    kimo has a bb by the way, who do you thing is better on the ground :)
     
  9. Sauron

    Sauron Red Belt

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    The difference is that shogun has actually showed good BJJ when he fights.
     
  10. Waxwingslain

    Waxwingslain oiseau rebelle

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    That omoplata against Arona was wicked.

    Shogun would batter most jiu jitsu black belts.
     
  11. mmahamzah

    mmahamzah Sheeeeit

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    he didnt deserve it but he deserved it more than wand
     
  12. Cojofl

    Cojofl Brown Belt

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    Maybe they were just waiting for a good moment to present it.
     
  13. alexgncw

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    its not all about submissions though he showed great ground control against one of the best bjj fighters in the world (arona) along with others
     
  14. Bubble Boy

    Bubble Boy Black Belt

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    That's what I was thinking. The same thing happens at Judo tournaments occasionally: a guy has demonstrated everything he needs to in the gym, and then he goes out and beats the best black belts in his division; thus he's presented with his black belt at the tournament, usually at the same time he's awarded the gold medal on the podium. I think it's a classy way to go about it.
     
  15. Foolkiller

    Foolkiller You have meddled with the primal forces of nature!

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    Arona got his ribs fucked up in the last minute of the Wand fight and was not 100% against Shogun. He didn't go to the ground with Minotauro for very long at any point, adopting more of a Fedor vs Nog gameplan. I think this is much like Wand getting his black belt for KOing and decisioning guys for 4 years, it's merely watering down BJJ by giving black belts to average grapplers with great striking who are in prominent positions in MMA. It's bullshit. I don't deny both Shogun and Wand are competent grapplers with great striking, but great grapplers with great striking? No.
     
  16. Darwinist

    Darwinist Super Simian

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    Yeah, Shogun has showed really good BJJ skills, far better than Silva and also keep in mind that diffrent people interpret Jiu-Jitsu in diffrent ways. Some people feel that winning MMA bouts no matter whether it
     
  17. Foolkiller

    Foolkiller You have meddled with the primal forces of nature!

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    How exactly does a KO indicate jiujitsu ability?
     
  18. Darwinist

    Darwinist Super Simian

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    Like I said, some people think that the highest level of BJJ ability is to consistently win Vale Tudo matches. As long as said competitor is affiliated with a BJJ school, how he goes about winning is irrelevant.

    Remember that although BJJ is heavily ground-oriented many old-school BJJ
     
  19. aaron_mag

    aaron_mag Purple Belt

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    Doesn't he train BJJ regularly? Was it his BJJ coach who awarded him the BB? And what was his rank before?

    From what I've seen he has a great sub defense (seen him get out of triangles with Babalau and the guilloteen from Overeem). Plus he almost got an omoplata. But if he just got the award of the BB from someone who hasn't seen him training and just said, "Well he won the GP after all" then I've got to agree with Superbeast. Guys work hard and go to BJJ gi tournaments to prove themselves worthy of the BB honor. To just give it out to someone who doesn't follow that path seems like a bit of a slap in the face...

    And I don't train BJJ. So this is just an outsider perspective...
     
  20. tudor_bjj

    tudor_bjj Purple Belt

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    BB means you know almost every fucking detail about JJ, not that you pull an omoplata in a vale-tudo fight. Now if Wand has great hands, can he train an elite boxer? If I pull a leg lock in competition does that make be a sambo specialist?
     

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