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Sherdog POTWR: Round 2: The Debate

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So who's leading?
This has been fun, for as much as I've paid attention.
I've got too many good choices aside from myself to vote for from many political P's OV.
 
I have Cable on ignore so this whole thing looks really weird.

Not much of difference to be honest. Some actual light hearted humor and then you have his knuckle dragging barely OT level stuff. "Ha ha good one I'm fucking your wife right now I win ha ha ha".
 
I don't formally recognize a VP. The ticket on the ballot will say Palis.

Hans has done some good posts. The wikileaks angle has been hilarious.
@Lead looks to be recruiting a base for a "Not My Vice-President" movement.

The @Palis/Dr J ticket expected some resistance from the establishment, but we will continue to fight the good fight.

@Palis/Dr J 2016
 
You might be the dumbest poster on this forum and that's a fuckng highly competitive race.
Your name is in piss yellow. Suits you. Almost time for you to join your previously banned names.

Wonder who you were? Aww it doesn't matter, you'll return again even more angry at the world.
 
Our campaign does not support the silencing of the opposition's opinions. We appreciate open discussion and will not be building a wall to keep a particular end of the spectrum out of the War Room.

However...

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@Palis/Dr J 2016

I think we need to see a response from the top of the ticket

Neither side of the top ticket has responded actually.

@Palis @JDragon

Edit actually pails responded to the general question but not in particular to bow hunter. @JDragon seems to be avoiding the press in clintonian fashion.
 
All I know is I'll accept the result of this election...... IF I WIN!!!!

If not, expect multiple recounts and legal battles. I hope you have a good lawyer Lead!
 
@BOWHUNTER wants a wall paid for by the heavies to keep liberals out? Will you build the wall?

The Wall will be built. It will keep out liberal and conservative shitposters out alike.

Regarding your earlier question whether I want more or less discussion, I think I already answered that in my response to irish_thug a few pages back:

The thing is, consider the following.


A big problem in the political discourse today is that we're all living in filter bubbles: regarding the information we consume and regarding the political discussions that we have. Think about it. Facebook is only going to show you the news you want to see. People unfriend each other on Facebook over political issues, and even if you're not one of them, you still may end up in homogenous circles. Discussing politics with friends usually either is a bad idea or pointless if they have the same opinion anyway. Same with family: you likely have a wide range of political opinions there, but arguing politics with family can be a horrible idea. Arguing politics at parties? Bad idea.

But if there is no discussion, no direct interaction between the two (or many) opposing sides, how can there be actual political discourse? How can we understand each other? How can we learn where others may have a point and how can we sharpen our own arguments?

Enter the War Room. The War Room is a great place because we have pretty open discussion and a good mix of posters, even if it is with a clear tilt to the right-wing side. I think that's what people come back here for. We don't need the War Room to be a conservative circle jerk, a right-wing echo chamber - enough of those out there. We also don't need the War Room to be a SJW forum. We need it so that the arguments of all sides clash.

@Jack V Savage has promised to confine himself to his POTWR thread and only post there, essentially creating a safe space for conservatives. That's just ridiculous and the opposite of what the forum needs. People hate him, but they actually benefit from getting exposed to him even if they don't realize they do and disagree with him 100% of the time.

@Palis has promised exactly nothing he can keep except pics. Electing him would only be a political statement, a demonstration of the right wing in the War Room. That's what his campaign is trying to do: make this about US or world politics.

I am the only candidate who actually is invested in making the War Room a better place. I like it the way it is, but we need to get shitposting under control. I will make the War Room great again and I ask for your vote.
 
I think we need to see a response from the top of the ticket

Neither side of the top ticket has responded actually.

@Palis @JDragon

Edit actually pails responded to the general question but not in particular to bow hunter. @JDragon seems to be avoiding the press in clintonian fashion.
I think I made my case pretty clear in regards to @BOWHUNTER and what he would like. This isn't some Communist regime that will be the first WR President.

Besides, the President isn't a Dictator regardless, there are checks and balances in play. The other legislature of Government (Mods) are here so I do not exactly have full ultimate power. My Presidential thread is going to be a wonder for all. Sections devoted to a variable of things, some will be very personal, some will immortalize people on this forum for good or bad, but nonetheless these people immortalized will come from all walks of life, both sides of the coin.

As for @JDragon, I can't necessarily speak for him, but the guy comes from a land that is controlled by Angela Merkel. Silencing her own people all the while having her own people's culture invaded and rebranded is something that is ingrained in him. No doubt JDragon is a smart fellow, but in the back of all our minds is that feeling of; Do we really want to risk it?

I am WR Presidential candidate @Palis and I approve this message.

Palis/@Dr J 2016!
 
You might be the dumbest poster on this forum and that's a fuckng highly competitive race.
You're my write in vote. The way you unify the WR is quite masterful. True, the unity comes from universal condemnation of you, but it's truly inspiring. Keep up the good work sir!

A vote for Dat Left Crossdresser fellow is a vote for peace and unity! Ask yourselves, do we need a president, or a professional scape goat? "Thanks Crossdresser!"
 
Your name is in piss yellow. Suits you. Almost time for you to join your previously banned names.

Wonder who you were? Aww it doesn't matter, you'll return again even more angry at the world.
You fucking scrub.
 
Vote for me guys. The War Room is garbage and your lives are shitty. What do you have to lose? @Palis has experience, but it's bad experience. He's one nasty woman.
 
@panamaican

How will you balance your spending on your somewhat fiscally conservative approach to economics while tending to your liberal social agenda/policy. military/medicare/SS/education/etc

Please show your math.

Even though you have gone to far left on social issues, You are still the best for the job.

CABLEANDTHANOS IS LEANING TOWARDS ENDORSING PAN.

With my endorsement you pretty much have it wrapped up.

I'll just have to make sure my friends at wikileaks don't have anything on you and we are good to go.

I have almost no new spending goals. My goals are a reduction in government via increased efficiency.

First, I support free public universities. The math is straight forward, excluding loans, the federal government pays ~$69 billion in college fees via grants, deductions, etc. The cost of funding said universities would be ~$63 billion. We could stop funding private universities and for profit colleges with our free money. It wouldn't eliminate private loans so people who wanted to go private because they couldn't get into public schools could still find funding.

Myy other liberal policy, it's the universal basic income. I admit up front that I'm not sure how to fund it but I'm also nt sure how much it should be. So, that's a policy proposal that's far more theoretical.

The cost issue however leads us to the GAO report on redundancy: http://www.gao.gov/duplication/overview#t=0

There are literally billions of dollars wrapped up in redundant programs across the fed. If we can kill of those programs then between the savings on the programs, the reduced number of federal employees, the reduction in future pensions and benefits to those employees, etc. we might find that we have enough cash to pay some universal figure to adults making less than $40k or households making less than $75k (approximately 150% of current median individual or household incomes).

Other than that, I do think the fed should centralize k-12 education but that's just a reallocation of funds, not a creation of new costs. Moreover, if we centralized education, even at the cost of more overhead, we can offset it by reducing contributions that we spend on other state level programs. Shift those costs to the states to represent the increased federal controbution to education.

That's the extent of my liberal policy. People tend to misunderstand me when I say I'm socially liberal. Just because I'm socially liberal doesn't mean I think there's a role for government in the social space. Unlike many conservatives who claim they're socially conservative but want the government to enforce their ideas of socially acceptable behavior (the religious right for example), I expect society to work out it's problems without the government dictating right vs. wrong. So long as the government maintains the tenets of equality under the Constitution, everything else doesn't require government. And I apply that opinion to liberals and conservatives alike.

Although these days conservatives seem to have the biggest issue with it, probably because liberals can admit to themselves that they want government to enforce their opinions while conservatives want the same thing but don't want to admit it out loud.
 
I have almost no new spending goals. My goals are a reduction in government via increased efficiency.

First, I support free public universities. The math is straight forward, excluding loans, the federal government pays ~$69 billion in college fees via grants, deductions, etc. The cost of funding said universities would be ~$63 billion. We could stop funding private universities and for profit colleges with our free money. It wouldn't eliminate private loans so people who wanted to go private because they couldn't get into public schools could still find funding.

Myy other liberal policy, it's the universal basic income. I admit up front that I'm not sure how to fund it but I'm also nt sure how much it should be. So, that's a policy proposal that's far more theoretical.

The cost issue however leads us to the GAO report on redundancy: http://www.gao.gov/duplication/overview#t=0

There are literally billions of dollars wrapped up in redundant programs across the fed. If we can kill of those programs then between the savings on the programs, the reduced number of federal employees, the reduction in future pensions and benefits to those employees, etc. we might find that we have enough cash to pay some universal figure to adults making less than $40k or households making less than $75k (approximately 150% of current median individual or household incomes).

Other than that, I do think the fed should centralize k-12 education but that's just a reallocation of funds, not a creation of new costs. Moreover, if we centralized education, even at the cost of more overhead, we can offset it by reducing contributions that we spend on other state level programs. Shift those costs to the states to represent the increased federal controbution to education.

That's the extent of my liberal policy. People tend to misunderstand me when I say I'm socially liberal. Just because I'm socially liberal doesn't mean I think there's a role for government in the social space. Unlike many conservatives who claim they're socially conservative but want the government to enforce their ideas of socially acceptable behavior (the religious right for example), I expect society to work out it's problems without the government dictating right vs. wrong. So long as the government maintains the tenets of equality under the Constitution, everything else doesn't require government. And I apply that opinion to liberals and conservatives alike.

Although these days conservatives seem to have the biggest issue with it, probably because liberals can admit to themselves that they want government to enforce their opinions while conservatives want the same thing but don't want to admit it out loud.

Tl;dr

No offense.
 
I think I made my case pretty clear in regards to @BOWHUNTER and what he would like. This isn't some Communist regime that will be the first WR President.

Besides, the President isn't a Dictator regardless, there are checks and balances in play. The other legislature of Government (Mods) are here so I do not exactly have full ultimate power. My Presidential thread is going to be a wonder for all. Sections devoted to a variable of things, some will be very personal, some will immortalize people on this forum for good or bad, but nonetheless these people immortalized will come from all walks of life, both sides of the coin.

As for @JDragon, I can't necessarily speak for him, but the guy comes from a land that is controlled by Angela Merkel. Silencing her own people all the while having her own people's culture invaded and rebranded is something that is ingrained in him. No doubt JDragon is a smart fellow, but in the back of all our minds is that feeling of; Do we really want to risk it?

I am WR Presidential candidate @Palis and I approve this message.

Palis/@Dr J 2016!

Don t drink the cool aid.

@JDragon is very critical of the Mad Cow.

Do your research.
 
I have Cable on ignore so this whole thing looks really weird.
If'n you be in the race (card), you isn't supposed to have no ignore list.
Or, as I like to call it, the list for fucking worthless shitbags who cry about people using the ignore list.
 
@ all :

I think it s pretty clear at this point that voting for @JDragon is the only real option.

Between the cool Sportsbar guy who doesn t give a shit about us....

......to the relativist cucks

.......to the candidates who couldn't tell you which sides they are on to save their lives......

........I endorse Jdragon for total commitment and credibility.
 
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