Sherdog PC Build/Buy Thread, v5: Stop Thinking of Your Router as a Peripheral

[560ti]

980m is about equal to a 770. .

Third party 960 is neck and neck with a stock 770 so my guessimate wasn't far off (pretty embarrassing considering the desktop 960 was considered a HUGE flop even at lower midrange prices).

Paired with a weak CPU and GPU throttling (which alot of bench-markers don't even consider) it would be in the ballpark of a 920/760 combo which gives him a clear message on bang for your buck (expensive laptop almost 2000 dollars is comparable to a 7 year old processor and a card that was midrange over 2 years ago).

I'm not saying laptops are a complete joke or don't have there place, I was quoting the portion of his quote in which is seemed very confused as to why people say desktop gives you more for your back

 

[Cygnus A]

Show me that build that includes a screen, keyboard and OS for that price

You can build a tower with monitor/keyboard/mouse that will destroy the gaming laptops you are looking at for the same budget.

Get a laptop to take without if you must, but they are just not worth it for gaming. IMO.

 

[Minnja]

I'm helping my brother build his PC. He already has this case linked below and already has a monitor and keyboard and stuffs. Pretty much need everything else new because his build is old as fug

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hc4Q4D

CPU
AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor


Motherboard
Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard

Memory
G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory

Storage
Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

Video Card
Sapphire Radeon R9 380 4GB Nitro Video Card

Case
NZXT Gamma Classic (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case

Power Supply
EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply

Might be a retarded question, but does he need a new harddrive if he's getting a new mobo and everything else?

 

[560ti]

I'm helping my brother build his PC. He already has this case linked below and already has a monitor and keyboard and stuffs. Pretty much need everything else new because his build is old as fug

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hc4Q4D



Might be a retarded question, but does he need a new harddrive if he's getting a new mobo and everything else?

Parts are compatable and everything is priced well.

If he liked his old harddrive (no crashes, enough storage) then he can keep it and put it in the new build (when he reinstalls windows there will be an option to reformat the harddrive which will wipe it clean, he can reformat the old drive and install windows on it)

 

[Minnja]

Parts are compatable and everything is priced well.

If he liked his old harddrive (no crashes, enough storage) then he can keep it and put it in the new build (when he reinstalls windows there will be an option to reformat the harddrive which will wipe it clean, he can reformat the old drive and install windows on it)

Alright that's what I thought. I already told him he could transfer the old harddrive stuff onto an external or something and then use the old one to install the OS. Thnaks

Just a random thought I had recently. What are the Xbone and PS4 most comparable to in terms of their PC counterparts? Like is a R9 280/GTX 960 pretty much as strong/stronger than the consoles? What about the processor, is it basically at an i5 level?

 

[dAfTiE]

Alright that's what I thought. I already told him he could transfer the old harddrive stuff onto an external or something and then use the old one to install the OS. Thnaks

Just a random thought I had recently. What are the Xbone and PS4 most comparable to in terms of their PC counterparts? Like is a R9 280/GTX 960 pretty much as strong/stronger than the consoles? What about the processor, is it basically at an i5 level?

The consoles are running custom AMD APUs (a cpu with a gpu on the chip and shared memory, basically).
Wouldn't worry too much about it, any reasonably new i5 will be a better choice than AMD for CPU, and their video card drivers are bad. Have been since they were called ATi.

As for computing power, I'm pretty sure it's about an A8 with the 7850 or something like that? With some optimizations for memory etc thrown in, I'm sure.
That's for the PS4 by the way. not sure about the equivalent xbox one gpu. 7750 maybe? It's got 40% less cores, but I'm not all that familiar with the 7 series amd chips.

 

[Cygnus A]

I'm helping my brother build his PC. He already has this case linked below and already has a monitor and keyboard and stuffs. Pretty much need everything else new because his build is old as fug

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hc4Q4D



Might be a retarded question, but does he need a new harddrive if he's getting a new mobo and everything else?

I would go with an i5 build for gaming over the FX-8xxx CPU. You are gaining pretty much nothing from the 8-cores. Spend just a tad more for an i5 and you will be much happier.

 

[560ti]

Just a random thought I had recently. What are the Xbone and PS4 most comparable to in terms of their PC counterparts?

This is the first generation where the consoles where outdated on release (when the ps4 released a $140 graphics card was offering twice the performance and both consoles use a CPU found in low end laptops).

In terms of technical specs the ps4 is somewhere around a downclocked 7850 where the xboxone is near a 7790

CPU is a joke. They have 6 usable cores clocked at a whooping 1.6ghz. Whats even more of a bummer is its only about 30 percent faster clock for clock then the AMD processors of 10 years ago (any modern CPU is going to blow it away both in raw speed and clock for clock).

 

[Minnja]

The consoles are running custom AMD APUs (a cpu with a gpu on the chip and shared memory, basically).
Wouldn't worry too much about it, any reasonably new i5 will be a better choice than AMD for CPU, and their video card drivers are bad. Have been since they were called ATi.

As for computing power, I'm pretty sure it's about an A8 with the 7850 or something like that? With some optimizations for memory etc thrown in, I'm sure.
That's for the PS4 by the way. not sure about the equivalent xbox one gpu. 7750 maybe? It's got 40% less cores, but I'm not all that familiar with the 7 series amd chips.

Cool, thanks. Reason I have the AMD processor is because that's what my own build uses and my bro is looking for a budget build like mine.

I would go with an i5 build for gaming over the FX-8xxx CPU. You are gaining pretty much nothing from the 8-cores. Spend just a tad more for an i5 and you will be much happier.

I can suggest that to him, but as mentioned above it was based off my build and meant to be cheap.

This is the first generation where the consoles where outdated on release (when the ps4 released a $140 graphics card was offering twice the performance and both consoles use a CPU found in low end laptops).

In terms of technical specs the ps4 is somewhere around a downclocked 7850 where the xboxone is near a 7790

CPU is a joke. They have 6 usable cores clocked at a whooping 1.6ghz. Whats even more of a bummer is its only about 30 percent faster clock for clock then the AMD processors of 10 years ago (any modern CPU is going to blow it away both in raw speed and clock for clock).

Thanks for the info. Just wondering how much stronger that type of build (or with an r9 280 cuz that's what I use) is compared to consoles.

My bro is debating between getting one of those nice Xbone deals or getting a new PC. I think he's gonna head towards the Xbone since it's cheaper but he said he'll keep that build I sent him as a reference for if he does go for it

 

[560ti]

Cool, thanks. Reason I have the AMD processor is because that's what my own build uses and my bro is looking for a budget build like mine.



I can suggest that to him, but as mentioned above it was based off my build and meant to be cheap.



Thanks for the info. Just wondering how much stronger that type of build (or with an r9 280 cuz that's what I use) is compared to consoles.

My bro is debating between getting one of those nice Xbone deals or getting a new PC. I think he's gonna head towards the Xbone since it's cheaper but he said he'll keep that build I sent him as a reference for if he does go for it

Even if you stay with the 8320 it's going to be over 3x faster than the consoles CPU.

The R9 280 is a renamed 7950 (same card).

What happened what when the 7950 came out (Jan 2012) they where trying to beat nvidia in terms of gettings cards out first so the production yields on the chips where pretty bad and AMD struggled with stock coolers at the time (as a result the 7950 was only clocked at 800mhz due to bad chip yields and bad stock coolers).

Once yields and coolers got better they released the 7950 boost edition and eventually the R9 280 (most of the good 280s are clocked anywhere from 975 to 1100mhz).

It's about twice as fast as the consoles GPU

 

[Cygnus A]

I think he's gonna head towards the Xbone since it's cheaper

This is pretty bad logic (or rather uneducated logic). PC gaming is far cheaper in the long run than consoles (not even long run.. maybe a few months in you are saving money). You can build a PC for ~500 that will run circles around any console. Then, you can buy games for much, much less than on the consoles. The only time where you cant save money on games close to release. Soon after it is easy to find deals on game. Steam is like crack. It is so addicting.

Consoles have their place, but saving money is not a reason to buy one.

 

[OnionKnight86]

Saw this on reddit

 

[xcvbn]

Where are you guys at with monitors? I'm seriously considering a 34" Curved Ultrawide 1440p IPS. Dell, HP, and LG all have tempting choices for around $800

I'm just waiting for these black Friday deals but curious if any of you have one

 

[Blayt7hh]

Third party 960 is neck and neck with a stock 770 so my guessimate wasn't far off (pretty embarrassing considering the desktop 960 was considered a HUGE flop even at lower midrange prices).

Paired with a weak CPU and GPU throttling (which alot of bench-markers don't even consider) it would be in the ballpark of a 920/760 combo which gives him a clear message on bang for your buck (expensive laptop almost 2000 dollars is comparable to a 7 year old processor and a card that was midrange over 2 years ago).

I'm not saying laptops are a complete joke or don't have there place, I was quoting the portion of his quote in which is seemed very confused as to why people say desktop gives you more for your back

I mean the only reasoon I wrote that though is because you quite literally did say laptop gaming was a joke I just wrote that because while they are a bad value, they are quite capable machines still and anyone that really wants/needs the mobility should be given legitimate buying advice over trying to shut them down.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Where are you guys at with monitors? I'm seriously considering a 34" Curved Ultrawide 1440p IPS. Dell, HP, and LG all have tempting choices for around $800

I'm just waiting for these black Friday deals but curious if any of you have one

I was actually going to post about this. I am torn, there are 2 monitors I really want (probably won't buy either, but I keep daydreaming about it.

1. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...SNC-YouTube-_-NETV-_-qzGKgyfowFo-_-24-009-869
3440x1440, curved ultra wide up to 100hz refresh IPS with gsync
$1300

or

2. http://www.anandtech.com/show/9710/asus-announces-two-new-rog-gaming-monitors
4k 27' flat 60hz IPS with gsync
estimated $800

 

[xcvbn]

That Acer is the absolute business right now but $1300 dollars is $1300 fucking dollars. 100hz is obviously nice but iirc there are gsync models for $1000 or less that will still make things look pretty at 60hz. You're looking at a mortgage and car payment between this monitor and a GPU to max games on it.

I considered 4k but we're just not quite there yet. Although I'd just snag a 40-43" 4k TV and deal with the input lag.

 

[Blayt7hh]

That Acer is the absolute business right now but $1300 dollars is $1300 fucking dollars. 100hz is obviously nice but iirc there are gsync models for $1000 or less that will still make things look pretty at 60hz. You're looking at a mortgage and car payment between this monitor and a GPU to max games on it.

I considered 4k but we're just not quite there yet. Although I'd just snag a 40-43" 4k TV and deal with the input lag.

Hahah I know I am having a hard time convincing myself that it would be ok to buy that. I could definitely afford it and it won't really effect me in the long run, but 1300 for a monitor does just feel irresponsible. Definitely would not admit to my wife how much I paid for it...

I do have a rig that could handle it, though maybe not 100fps. Realistically, I'll either pick up the 4k model or just wait another year and see what is out then. I would hate to buy that 1440 model only to have the same thing come out for the same price a year later

 

[Minnja]

Even if you stay with the 8320 it's going to be over 3x faster than the consoles CPU.

The R9 280 is a renamed 7950 (same card).

What happened what when the 7950 came out (Jan 2012) they where trying to beat nvidia in terms of gettings cards out first so the production yields on the chips where pretty bad and AMD struggled with stock coolers at the time (as a result the 7950 was only clocked at 800mhz due to bad chip yields and bad stock coolers).

Once yields and coolers got better they released the 7950 boost edition and eventually the R9 280 (most of the good 280s are clocked anywhere from 975 to 1100mhz).

It's about twice as fast as the consoles GPU

Thanks for the info!

This is pretty bad logic (or rather uneducated logic). PC gaming is far cheaper in the long run than consoles (not even long run.. maybe a few months in you are saving money). You can build a PC for ~500 that will run circles around any console. Then, you can buy games for much, much less than on the consoles. The only time where you cant save money on games close to release. Soon after it is easy to find deals on game. Steam is like crack. It is so addicting.

Consoles have their place, but saving money is not a reason to buy one.

I have a PC I already am familiar with the process

But to be fair, the xbone deals are pretty good (I'm thinking about picking one up as well). And I think he probably ends up with both anyways. He has Steam and stuff too but he doesn't really buy/play a bunch of different games

 

[Drunken Blindness]

Critique this build please. Power/performance/cost ratio? How to improve it for same cost or lower cost but still pack a punch?

Thanks.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Pcrg6h

 

[Tigger]

I am sooooo close to saying screw this 280X and buying a Gigabyte 4G 970. I've had driver problems from day one with this thing.