Sh------ on "poor" fight cards...

[usernamee]

u're on amphetamines or something bro?

 

[usernamee]

The things you mention--the blood, the 'crinkle toes' etc--those are enough to redeem a thin card based on your preferences. That's great for you, but doesn't necessarily mean fuck all for the rest of us.

If people want to complain about cards with weak line ups (for the record, I didn't care enough about this card to even complain about it), that shouldn't bother you as much as it seems to.

The fact that you ended up enjoying this card despite the fact that other people complained about is not a moral victory for you, get over yourself.

I felt the card would suck when I read the initial line up and after having seen it, I haven't changed my mind. It did not interest me. That's fine too because obviously people have different tastes.

I foreshadowed this yesterday

it might be exciting fights and then you'll have schmucks talking about "people were crying about this card and now look!"

fuck me

I want world class matchups

not bottom of the barrel scratched together to create a card

 

[Hellowhosthat]

But it wasn't really free tho was it? You have to pay for your subscription to ESPN+ or thee network you watch on, and many do that in hopes the UFC will put on a quality of product that we are used to. After all, they are paying out like at a 90-10% split, so they have money to burn. The advertisers also pay to advertise their products to a certain demographic of people, and if we do not watch, they will stop paying.

Only if people stopped watching and voted with their viewership, UFC would get the message and sign fighters like Minakov, Rumble, Davis, McKee, Pitbull, MVP, Lima, mighty Mouse, sign guys like Gable Stevenson, make fights like Jones vs Ngannou, and instead of Dern vs Rodriguez co-mained by Randy Brown vs Jared Gooden we could have Minakov vs Rumble. If we keep lapping up inferior product, we will keep on getting regional circuit MMA.

They can't sign everyone because of the anti trust lawsuit, they need to leave viable competition out there.

 

[GrantB13]

Got any cards left? Trying to rebuild my collection

I ended up selling mine a long time ago. I kinda wish I would've kept them for nostalgia because me and my friends played a lot when we were kids in boy scouts and stuff. I don't care for the cards after about Mirrodin when I stopped actively playing so all of mine were older than that were are like relics to me

 

[SooBahkDo]

/wave

I'm just a fan man. Look at my history, I love fights.

It really didn't answer "what else would you be doing". My options are bar, board / card games, PC competition, chess, the bar, the bar WITH fights, a movie with the woman, we already had a pot roast started 5 hours ago....

It's just an honesty question. Even if I'm doing anything around the house or my work from home, why not just throw the event on in the background? I mean I know everyone ain't got multiple screen setups, but i'd venture to say that most do.

I'm hardwired though, so normally posting here, fiights on one screen, was playing Trials Fusion of all things on the 3rd heh.... but why say you're going to boycott or avoid it when in 2021 you can easily just have it on in the background at the very least? Too elite? I don't understand that aspect of it is all.

Cause I already have a $200 cable bill, and refuse to pay for ESPN+ just to watch fights that used to be shown on ESPN2. Screw the UFC and their ESPN deal. Espn doesn't even show the prefight shows anymore. They list past UFC fights on guide, then show high school football games that are in states I don't live in.

 

[SokoudjouFanboy]

Just because the card ends up having entertaining fights doesn't absolve it of being a bad, poorly matched card on paper. This is supposed to be the UFC, the "only promotion that matters" in the minds of a lot of people. The promotion who's forum on sherdog has 20x the posts of the rest of them combined. They're supposed to be far and away better then the competition and most cards they put out these days (certainly anything they aren't charging $70 for) are not that.

 

[SakurabasEar]

Anyone who seriously follows the UFC knew this card was going to be good, and it was. I was looking forward to almost every fight except the first one, and even that was good.

Whoa now, I can understand the skepticism when you look at this card on paper. It did end up being really good but that was due in part to the lack of skill at times during the fights.

 

[SooBahkDo]

But it wasn't really free tho was it? You have to pay for your subscription to ESPN+ or thee network you watch on, and many do that in hopes the UFC will put on a quality of product that we are used to. After all, they are paying out like at a 90-10% split, so they have money to burn. The advertisers also pay to advertise their products to a certain demographic of people, and if we do not watch, they will stop paying.

Only if people stopped watching and voted with their viewership, UFC would get the message and sign fighters like Minakov, Rumble, Davis, McKee, Pitbull, MVP, Lima, mighty Mouse, sign guys like Gable Stevenson, make fights like Jones vs Ngannou, and instead of Dern vs Rodriguez co-mained by Randy Brown vs Jared Gooden we could have Minakov vs Rumble. If we keep lapping up inferior product, we will keep on getting regional circuit MMA.

Agreed. I'm not paying extra to see fights that would have been free on Spike.

 

[BEATDOWNS]

I want my money back...

 

[Hleef23]

Over 1100 fighters under contract, 11 divisions, and has been pumping out content past few years almost weekly, and people complain. Overall, matchmaking has been solid for the UFC.

 

[GeneTunney7]

They can't sign everyone because of the anti trust lawsuit, they need to leave viable competition out there.

They can certainly sign alot more.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

They can certainly sign alot more.

A lot of those guys are under contract elsewhere anyway, the main issue in terms of having all the best guys is the quota they have on Russians which means Kerimov and Mineev don't fight there despite being probably top 5 in their weight class.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Just because the card ends up having entertaining fights doesn't absolve it of being a bad, poorly matched card on paper. This is supposed to be the UFC, the "only promotion that matters" in the minds of a lot of people. The promotion who's forum on sherdog has 20x the posts of the rest of them combined. They're supposed to be far and away better then the competition and most cards they put out these days (certainly anything they aren't charging $70 for) are not that.

Just out of interest to Fight Matrix it seeing as it's probably the most objective ranking system we have..

This weekend was

#4 Marina Rodriguez Vs #6 Mackenzie Dern
#44 Randy Brown Vs #186 Jared Gooden
#6 Matheus Nicolau Vs #15 Tim Elliott
#37 Sabina Mazo Vs #58 Mariya Agapova
#48 Chris Gutierrez Vs #96 Felipe Colares
#37 Alexander Romanov Vs #76 Jared Vanderaa
#49 Damon Jackson Vs #87 Charles Rosa
#63 Lupita Godinez Vs #71 Silvana Gomez Juarez
#159 Steve Garcia Vs #516 Charlie Ontiveros

 

[SokoudjouFanboy]

Just out of interest to Fight Matrix it seeing as it's probably the most objective ranking system we have..

This weekend was

#4 Marina Rodriguez Vs #6 Mackenzie Dern
#44 Randy Brown Vs #186 Jared Gooden
#6 Matheus Nicolau Vs #15 Tim Elliott
#37 Sabina Mazo Vs #58 Mariya Agapova
#48 Chris Gutierrez Vs #96 Felipe Colares
#37 Alexander Romanov Vs #76 Jared Vanderaa
#49 Damon Jackson Vs #87 Charles Rosa
#63 Lupita Godinez Vs #71 Silvana Gomez Juarez
#159 Steve Garcia Vs #516 Charlie Ontiveros

Extremely weak outside of the second and third fights. I also don't personally believe Nicolau & Eliott should be ranked as highly as they are.

Fightmatrix is definitely the most objective and I am a longtime fan it doesn't always paint the most accurate picture of how good certain fighters are. More-so outside of the UFC then inside of it because it effectively works like a ladder, meaning you have to beat someone to get the points to climb the ladder. Problem is at one point in time UFC had absorbed so many competitors the rankings were (deservedly) like 90% UFC. Ever since then other promotions have been signing fighters but their ecosystems do not have enough weight to accurately depict their skill level. Guys can get one or two wins in the UFC and be higher regarded then guys who they absolutely aren't better then. I reference them often nonetheless.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Extremely weak outside of the second and third fights. I also don't personally believe Nicolau & Eliott should be ranked as highly as they are.

Fightmatrix is definitely the most objective and I am a longtime fan it doesn't always paint the most accurate picture of how good certain fighters are. More-so outside of the UFC then inside of it because it effectively works like a ladder, meaning you have to beat someone to get the points to climb the ladder. Problem is at one point in time UFC had absorbed so many competitors the rankings were (deservedly) like 90% UFC. Ever since then other promotions have been signing fighters but their ecosystems do not have enough weight to accurately depict their skill level. Guys can get one or two wins in the UFC and be higher regarded then guys who they absolutely aren't better then. I reference them often nonetheless.

I think Nicolau is probably about top 10 at flyweight tbh. Maybe 6 is a bit high but I think top 10 is fair. Agree on the weighting a little bit and it does mean you get the odd guy ranked way higher than they should be because they caught an opponent at the right time (Andrew Kapel and Clay Collard stick out to me as examples of this).

 

[xhaydenx]

Whoa now, I can understand the skepticism when you look at this card on paper. It did end up being really good but that was due in part to the lack of skill at times during the fights.

I can only understand the skepticism if it's coming from fans who only watches main fighters and doesn't watch the rest.

When I looked at this card, from both a gambler and fan perspective, I was pumped. I was looking forward to Mazo/Agapova, Romanov, Jackson/Rosa, Loopy, Guti, Nicolau, and Rodriguez.

I watch every fight, so of course I'm going to know who all these fighters are. Most of these fighters I've researched for gambling as well, meaning I've gone back and watched all their fights outside of the UFC as well.

To people like me this card looked good on paper, and it delivered as well. Only fight I had no idea about was the first one, and that was exciting as fuck even so.

 

[1BadMF]

/wave

I'm just a fan man. Look at my history, I love fights.

It really didn't answer "what else would you be doing". My options are bar, board / card games, PC competition, chess, the bar, the bar WITH fights, a movie with the woman, we already had a pot roast started 5 hours ago....

It's just an honesty question. Even if I'm doing anything around the house or my work from home, why not just throw the event on in the background? I mean I know everyone ain't got multiple screen setups, but i'd venture to say that most do.

I'm hardwired though, so normally posting here, fiights on one screen, was playing Trials Fusion of all things on the 3rd heh.... but why say you're going to boycott or avoid it when in 2021 you can easily just have it on in the background at the very least? Too elite? I don't understand that aspect of it is all.

what are you babbling about? lol

 

[Prologue]

As much as I love MMA it's really hard to get into it without some mental/emotional investment in the fighters. Yes some of these no name cards have lots of action but so does World Star Hip Hop. I just can't watch fights, or any sport, for the sake of the sport. Like, imagine watching a hockey game that isn't your hometown without being in some kind of fantasy league. What's the point?

There needs to be stakes, there needs to be those reasons for me to cheers one fighter over another, and most importantly, there needs to be some value in the best fighting the best. I just can't get into watching fighters I've never heard of in squash matches knowing even a 4 fight winning streak won't get them in the top 15 anymore.

There's just too many fighters and too many events. And even though many of them are free, they still weaken the quality of all cards overall. And yes there's the "don't like, don't watch" argument, which if I'm being honest, I really don't watch many of the free ones anymore.

All of this said though, the PPVs in the sort of post covid era are getting better. Most likely because they have to sell tickets to arenas now.

 

[MetalMilitia]

what are you babbling about? lol

Jesus Christ, why bother.

1. I don't like people bashing cards, saying they won't watch. Why be a fucking fan then? I won't watch a.... NY mets game. I will goto a baseball forum before every game and post and say "I'M NOT WATCHING"... lol ... I mean do they think they are special by stating they won't watch? Calling it garbage? Shitting on their own sport on a message board dedicated to said sport? Does this make sense?
   
2. I asked, for the 87th time... WHAT THE FUCK ELSE ARE YOU DOING ON AN EARLY SATURDAY AFTERNOON CARD THAT IS SO FUCKING SPECIAL YOU WON'T WATCH.... yet for some reason, still unexplained by most that shit on it, have time to POST ABOUT IT AND SHIT ON IT.

I mean is this so complicated?

I already said if ya got better things to do : Cool beans! Spending time with family! Fishing! Reading a book! Getting laid! Building a shed! -- Point being, a lot of these douche bags that go OUT of their way, and WASTE time to SHIT on fighters and events -- are ONLINE DURING THE EVENTS. These are the morons that said they wouldn't watch, then post in the PBP with *YAWN*.

Do you not see the hilarity in this? Cost and accessibility aside, I wouldn't goto your fishing forum and shit on fishing that day because fights were on. A lot of MMA fans are fickle, bandwagon assholes, and cards like this -- and many more than I can count that are always "GARBAGE" for weeks and weeks on the front page of the forums before the fights -- turn out to be really fucking good entertainment.

If you don't get the message behind what I'm saying, I can't help you.

 

[SokoudjouFanboy]

I think Nicolau is probably about top 10 at flyweight tbh. Maybe 6 is a bit high but I think top 10 is fair. Agree on the weighting a little bit and it does mean you get the odd guy ranked way higher than they should be because they caught an opponent at the right time (Andrew Kapel and Clay Collard stick out to me as examples of this).

I forgot it doesn't count the ONE guys. I suppose 6 is more fair now that I realize that as I would have 3 guys in their flyweight division over Nicolau (Moraes, Wakamatsu & obviously DJ). Even then I'd have him more like 8 or 9, but it's fine. Solid second tier.

I agree on your second part. It lacks the context to understand where both guys are at in their career.