Sergei Pavlovich would KO Jon Jones in Round 1.

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DS66 said:
Cool. Rampage, Shogun, Lyoto, Rashad, Vitor, DC, Gus, Glover couldn't hurt him at all. But Sergei Pavlovich would definitely KO him in round 1. For sure.
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Hold on a second here.....you're bringing up LHWs and fights at LHW. There is a difference here when you have guys like Rampage, Machida, Shogun, DC, Rashad, Vitor who are far smaller than Jones when it comes to height and reach and pack less power. Half those guys went down to MW. Jon in those fights manages the distance so well that it's very hard to hit him clean.

Pavovich who matches Jon in height and reach and comes in at 255lbs and is solid HW with big power and great boxing is gonna have a far easier time hitting the mark. Gustaffson who was the tallest and longest fighter Jon fought landed clean on Jones many times and so did Reyes, and those guys aren't power punchers. You don't think a guy who packs a much heavier punch has a better chance to KO Jon at HW? And you gotta consider Jon in 2022, is not Jon of 2011 to 2015, time has passed, he's been inactive and chances are he's not gonna come back in the same shape.
 
JKS said:
Hold on a second here.....you're bringing up LHWs and fights at LHW. There is a difference here when you have guys like Rampage, Machida, Shogun, DC, Rashad, Vitor who are far smaller than Jones when it comes to height and reach and pack less power. Half those guys went down to MW. Jon in those fights manages the distance so well that it's very hard to hit him clean.

Pavovich who matches Jon in height and reach and comes in at 255lbs and is solid HW with big power and great boxing is gonna have a far easier time hitting the mark. Gustaffson who was the tallest and longest fighter Jon fought landed clean on Jones many times and so did Reyes, and those guys aren't power punchers. You don't think a guy who packs a much heavier punch has a better chance to KO Jon at HW? And you gotta consider Jon in 2022, is not Jon of 2011 to 2015, time has passed, he's been inactive and chances are he's not gonna come back in the same shape.
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You raise some good points and might in fact be right. There's of course a possibility of a HW like Pavlovich landing a KO shot on Jon.

I was just pointing out that it's ridiculous to confidently assert that Sergei Pavlovich would for sure KO Jon Jones in the first round as TS did. Pavlovich has been in there with just two high level fighters in his career- One was Alistair Overeem who destroyed Sergei and finished in the first round. The other was Derrick Lewis and it was a weird fight that ended in under 1 min in a controversial stoppage. He has very very limited experience, he's a pretty unknown commodity at this point. Whereas Jon has obviously been in there with everyone and beat them all. He would have a huge speed advantage vs Sergei and a much more diverse striking attack. It's very possible that Jon would stay out of Sergei's range and cruise to a decision win or get the finish after Sergei gasses in the later rounds (we've never seen him out of the first round in the UFC). The biggest variable is one you pointed out- Which is that Jon has been out for awhile and we have no idea how he'll look now that he's older and had a long layoff. But it still doesn't seem very smart to bet on an inexperienced fighter like Pavlovich over him.
 
DS66 said:
You raise some good points and might in fact be right. There's of course a possibility of a HW like Pavlovich landing a KO shot on Jon.

I was just pointing out that it's ridiculous to confidently assert that Sergei Pavlovich would for sure KO Jon Jones in the first round as TS did. Pavlovich has been in there with just two high level fighters in his career- One was Alistair Overeem who destroyed Sergei and finished in the first round. The other was Derrick Lewis and it was a weird fight that ended in under 1 min in a controversial stoppage. He has very very limited experience, he's a pretty unknown commodity at this point. Whereas Jon has obviously been in there with everyone and beat them all. He would have a huge speed advantage vs Sergei and a much more diverse striking attack. It's very possible that Jon would stay out of Sergei's range and cruise to a decision win or get the finish after Sergei gasses in the later rounds (we've never seen him out of the first round in the UFC). The biggest variable is one you pointed out- Which is that Jon has been out for awhile and we have no idea how he'll look now that he's older and had a long layoff. But it still doesn't seem very smart to bet on an inexperienced fighter like Pavlovich over him.
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I’ve honestly never looked at Jon jones as a fast fighter. I don’t believe his speed will be that noticeable compared to some of the heavy weights.
 
OK TS. You *thinking* something, and all of us *knowing* something are not the same thing. And NO, I don't *think* that happens. Next time I want to hear your opinion on this matter TS, We'll tell it to you.
 
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Randy Fandy Fo Fanders said:
Idk about that. Sergei got TKOd by Overeem…who will most likely closely resemble the movement and fight style of a HW Jon Jones.

I pick Jones in ANY HW fight until I’m given reason to believe the contrary.
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240 lb Stipe boxes jones up and takes him down, bank on it.
 
DS66 said:
Cool. Rampage, Shogun, Lyoto, Rashad, Vitor, DC, Gus, Glover couldn't hurt him at all. But Sergei Pavlovich would definitely KO him in round 1. For sure.
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In TS' defense, none of the guys you mentioned a) had as much reach as Pavlovich and b) were nearly as big as him either. Now, reach and size aren't everything, but they're cruelly underrated on these boards, especially when it comes to speculation on Jones' success at HW. Most folks on here seem to literally think he could just run over the whole fucking top 5 at HW with one hand tied behind his back, which is fucking ridiculous.
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I’ve honestly never looked at Jon jones as a fast fighter. I don’t believe his speed will be that noticeable compared to some of the heavy weights.
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That's a very good point. Unorthodox with his strikes? Yes. Particularly fast with them? Nope.
 
JKS said:
Hold on a second here.....you're bringing up LHWs and fights at LHW. There is a difference here when you have guys like Rampage, Machida, Shogun, DC, Rashad, Vitor who are far smaller than Jones when it comes to height and reach and pack less power. Half those guys went down to MW. Jon in those fights manages the distance so well that it's very hard to hit him clean.

Pavovich who matches Jon in height and reach and comes in at 255lbs and is solid HW with big power and great boxing is gonna have a far easier time hitting the mark. Gustaffson who was the tallest and longest fighter Jon fought landed clean on Jones many times and so did Reyes, and those guys aren't power punchers. You don't think a guy who packs a much heavier punch has a better chance to KO Jon at HW? And you gotta consider Jon in 2022, is not Jon of 2011 to 2015, time has passed, he's been inactive and chances are he's not gonna come back in the same shape.
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Finally! Someone who's not living in fantasy land! What a rarity on these boards when it comes to Jones' move to HW.
 
Pavlovich's knees would be very easy targets for teep kicks that would noticeably hamper his movement.

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Pavlovich can also be taken down with very little resistance.



From there, it isn't difficult to finish him.

 
JKS said:
Hold on a second here.....you're bringing up LHWs and fights at LHW. There is a difference here when you have guys like Rampage, Machida, Shogun, DC, Rashad, Vitor who are far smaller than Jones when it comes to height and reach and pack less power. Half those guys went down to MW. Jon in those fights manages the distance so well that it's very hard to hit him clean.

Pavovich who matches Jon in height and reach and comes in at 255lbs and is solid HW with big power and great boxing is gonna have a far easier time hitting the mark. Gustaffson who was the tallest and longest fighter Jon fought landed clean on Jones many times and so did Reyes, and those guys aren't power punchers. You don't think a guy who packs a much heavier punch has a better chance to KO Jon at HW? And you gotta consider Jon in 2022, is not Jon of 2011 to 2015, time has passed, he's been inactive and chances are he's not gonna come back in the same shape.
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Woah there, you're using logic in a Jon Jones thread. This will confuse some folk
 
Johnnny said:
Pavlovich's knees would be very easy targets for teep kicks that would noticeably hamper his movement.

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Funny, no footage from any of his last three fights (i.e., nearly the last 5 years). Jones is a shell of his former self at this point. This isn't 2012 anymore.

And none of the opponents in this gif nearly have as much reach as Pavlovich. That's something to consider when throwing these teep kicks. If Gus countered him and landed when he threw those, imagine a guy with more reach and more power.

You're right to say that Pavlovich got taken down pretty easily by Reem, and couldn't do anything when he was on his back. But prior to that takedown, Overeem didn't look like a man who wanted to stand and trade with that monster, who showed so much power, it was getting through his guard.
 
Pilo said:
Funny, no footage from any of his last three fights (i.e., nearly the last 5 years). Jones is a shell of his former self at this point. This isn't 2012 anymore.

And none of the opponents in this gif nearly have as much reach as Pavlovich. That's something to consider when throwing these teep kicks. If Gus countered him and landed when he threw those, imagine a guy with more reach and more power.

You're right to say that Pavlovich got taken down pretty easily by Reem, and couldn't do anything when he was on his back. But prior to that takedown, Overeem didn't look like a man who wanted to stand and trade with that monster, who showed so much power, it was getting through his guard.
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DC landed that didn't really hurt jones at all
 
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