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We generally shy away from language like that.Can a lefty here please clear this up for me and call me a retard
If it helps, You are not smart.
We generally shy away from language like that.Can a lefty here please clear this up for me and call me a retard
Probably cuz its too wordy and not really funny.Its alright I was was a heavies asshole. But I'm surprised how little humor the mods found with my "GSP maple syrup lubricated log ride" thread.
Didn't he completely fail the rust belt with a net loss of manufacturing jobs?How am I lacking nuance in understanding rust belt voters? Just because I didn't mention every single kind of Trump voter doesn't mean I was implying that those three positions I mentioned were the only good faith reasons to vote for Trump.
I'm well aware that rust belt voters liked Trump because of his protectionism and that this helped flipped the rust belt for him, in fact this is common knowledge and has been talked about ad nauseum. If anything its given far too much weight in explaining Trumpism but sure, it exists. I didn't mention it because truthfully I think those rust belt voters are wrong to believe that Trump can save those dying industries which is why I wanted to focus on pro-Trump positions that hold up to scrutiny better but of course I understand the underlying sentiment.
How exactly? And why are we assuming that Trump thought he won? What if he was lying?
Assignation lolthey even trotted out Hillary Clinton to try and gaslight everyone in to blaming Trump for his own assignation attempts.
...another Trump hater:
Its alright I was was a heavies asshole. But I'm surprised how little humor the mods found with my "GSP maple syrup lubricated log ride" thread.
Did you do any research into Jan 6? The words he said that day were among the least offense thing he’s done. How about all of the things he did leading up to that day like planning fake electors? How he pressured Mike Pence to steal the election? Nothing about that?
A Trump apologist at this point is the same as a Trump supporter.
This enlightened centrist bit isn’t going to work on anyone except people already voting for Trump.
The problem is that people like you who aren't plugged into politics don't follow all the nitty gritty details about things like Jan 6th so of course you don't think its that bad.
Look dude, we’ve interacted before (in the Heavies) and I like you just fine, and think your posts there are good.
After the exchange last night, I did question whether I came in a bit hot.
But whether you realize it or not, your post came off as quite self-righteous.
You also specifically mentioned that you were taking issue with people who think Trump is a serious threat to democracy, which I do.
If that gave you the impression I’m some huge asshole, I’m sorry. But this is the War Room. It’s not the “Buy You Dinner and Try and Make You Love Me” Room. Sort of like you said about the OT, I wouldn’t post there and then say “Gee willickers these fellows are mean!” It’s the OT. This is the War Room, it says “War” right on the front door when you walk in.
...another Trump hater:
Or how about giving millions in tax breaks to carrier, going to carrier and talking about how he's saving their jobs, and then the majority of jobs getting outsourced anyway.Didn't be completely fail the rust belt with a net loss of manufacturing uring jobs?
Our boy CuckFox has been struggling mightily to get a grasp on the difference between "defiantly" and "definitely" for like 3 years now. Don't overburden him now, or his brain might overheat.Assignation lol
Great joke but I know it wasn't intentional
Looks like the point about the deep state went right over your head. They're fearing Trump so much because he's learned his lesson and he's definitely gonna go after the corrupt CIA and FBI this time.
Imagine the glory when RFK Jr becomes head of CIA and exposes the truths behind the JFK assassination, 9/11 and all kinds of other shit.
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Trump is a threat to democracy though and we have to speak the truth about that. If we want to stop inspiring people to shoot Trump (assuming that is even what happened), then Trump could stop being a threat to democracy. Meanwhile, the best we can do is denounce that kind of terrible inexcusable divisive behavior while still calling Trump out for the threat to democracy that he is.
You can't use the violence of certain actors as an argument for not telling the truth about people. In the case, where the threat that Trump poses or the positions that he holds are exaggerated or lied about? to that extent, yes, people should stop all of that kind of thing.
I don't often post in here, and after posting yesterday I had to log off and do real-world work stuff, but I just wanted to shout-out the people who liked my posts and complimented me/my posts. This place has a worse reputation than the old OT did, but I appreciate those of you who appreciated what I had to say. As for @Islam Imamate and @BFoe, I don't really know you two, so I'm not going to impute to/project onto you beliefs or behaviors of which I'm unsure. Instead, I'll just point out that while you guys were making jokes to one another at my expense and liking each other's posts, all around you there were dozens of people liking and complimenting my posts; it might be worth taking some time to step back from your keyboards and examine whether you're as right(eous) as you think you are and whether people who don't think what and as you think might still have good points worth considering.
Again, it's not about not "holding him accountable," it's about not freaking out and shrieking like lunatics about how he's the most evil entity that humanity has ever known. It's the wildly dialed-up rhetoric that's the problem, not the reasonable people who listen to him talk and watch how he conducts himself and point out that he's a stupid and shitty person. In any event, I do know and respect you, so we can just agree to disagree. Just promise me that if he wins, you won't be in here doing the "How could this have possibly happened?!" thing with the Looney Tune anti-Trumpers who are laying out the orange carpet for him by pushing so many Americans right into his scummy hands.
Haha, nice movie reference to boot
What "evidence" are you referring to? This may be true (though I confess to not really even understanding what the point is that you're trying to make much less understanding what data or whatever you're referring to) and if it is I'd like to know it, I'm just not clear enough on your points here to offer anything in response. But I'm eager to converse with anybody who uses words like "evidence" and who has any facts to provide.
Right or left, derp or non-derp, I don't consume media, and if I do I ironically/sadly go to the BBC before I go to CNN or Fox.
That's because he's an idiotic, egotistical sore loser. He's also a sore winner. He's just a sore person. Not sure what this proves or disproves.
As it happened after the first assassination attempt, with people ironically noting/complaining about how American media outlets were so much worse at covering and discussing the facts, this is a solid piece on what Trump actually said and what he did and didn't (intend to) do.
Capitol riots: Did Trump's words at rally incite violence?
Donald Trump was accused of inciting violence that left five people dead. So what did the president say?www.bbc.com
If I'm going to be put in some alt-right MAGA box because I don't think that his words or actions on January 6th should be viewed as akin to Spartacus leading an attack on Rome, fine. I absolutely think that his words were stupid and irresponsible, but I wouldn't elevate them to the level of a crime. In much the same way, I think that a lot of anti-Trumpers have said and are continuing to say stupid and irresponsible things, not least the abundance of comments about wishing he'd actually be assassinated (while at the same time wondering why anyone would even suggest that this might have something to do with people trying to assassinate him), but I wouldn't elevate those to the level of a crime either. We need to keep the transitive property in mind, even when it comes to our cherished political beliefs. To keep beating this drum, it goes both ways: People on the left can't lose their shit over Trump's words on January 6th and then act like words have no consequences and that the supercharged anti-Trump rhetoric has nothing whatsoever to do with the current climate just like people on the right can't lose their shit over anti-Trump rhetoric and then pretend like Trump's words had nothing whatsoever to do with what happened on January 6th.
Why can't we all agree on these very simple and obvious facts? When did we lose/abandon common sense? Where does it say that supporting a side entails ignoring anything and everything that in any way, shape, or form makes your side look even the tiniest bit bad? This is such a juvenile mindset, and it can't be the way that we function as a country.
And I say that you thinking that there's none whatsoever is madness.
I don't drink Kool-Aid. Too much sugar
Anyone that will not follow the Establishment / Democrat Globalist Marxism line will be called such a threat by the MSM and Democrats and you will fall for it like a good little sheepal.
Here are the Democrats calling for violence over and over and over again.
Democrats / Leftists in their own actions and words
- Kathy Griffin with Trump’s bloody head
- Snoop Dog shoots Trump in video
- When was the last time an actor assassinated a president? – Johnny Depp
- If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun' – Barack Obama
- I would beat the hell out of Trump if in high school – Joe Biden
- We’re done talking about the debate, it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye. – Joe Biden less than a week before the assassination attempt
- They’re not going to be able to go to a restaurant, they’re not going to be able to stop at a gas station, they’re not going to be able to shop at a department store, the people are going to turn on them, they're going to protest, they’re going to absolutely harass them. – Maxine Waters
- I threaten Trump supporters all the time – Maxine Waters
- I will go and take Trump out tonight – Maxine Waters
- It’s our patriotic duty to eliminate an existential threat to the nation. – Ajama Baraka
- We should fight Trump in the streets – Congressman Joaquin Castro
- You have to punch Trump in the face – Senator Jon Tester
- I have thought a lot about blowing up the White House – Madonna
- I’d like to punch him (Trump) in the face – Robert Dinero
- People need to start taking to the streets, this is a dictator – Donny Deutsch
- Trump and supporters are enemies of the state – Nancy Pelosi
- Our enemies to our voting system and constitution are at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue – Nancy Pelosi
- Where is John Wilks Booth when you need him – Carole Cooke
- Maybe someone in his camp can gently give him a shiv. I mean, shove – Bette Midler
- Show me where protestors are supposed to be polite and peaceful – Chris Cuomo
- When they go low, we kick them – Eric Holder
- If you have read anything about the rise of the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler you will see the parallels. – Jane Fonda
- I want to send the military to the White House to get him – Rosie O’Donnell
- There still going to have to go out an put a bullet in Donald Trump and that’s a fact – Rick Wilson
- The biggest threat to this country is radicalized White Men… to the right – Don Lemon
- I thought he should have punched him (Trump) in the face – Nicolle Wallace
- there’s always the hope that Trump will be treated worse than Lincoln – Keith Olbermann
- He got off the escalator and called Mexicans rapists and murderers – Nicole Wallace
- A person in a crowd cheering for and supporting a traitor to this country caught a stray? I’m so sad, please. – Destiny
- Trump’s character is stabbed to death in the play – Shakespeare in the Park
- Barbra Streisand posted a bloody image to Twitter showing Trump being impaled to death by one of Pelosi’s high heels.
- Comedian George Lopez shared an illustration of drug lord El Chapo decapitating Trump.
- Jim Carrey drew Donald Trump burning at the stake
- I don’t condone violence but please get you some shooting lessons so you don’t miss next time ooops that wasn’t me talking – Jacqueline Marsaw Field Director for Congressman Bennie Thompson – He’s the same Congressman that tried to defund Trump’s Secret Service detail
- What a glorious day this could have been – Dr. Karen Pinder (hours after assassination attempt)
- Jack Black and band - "Don't miss Trump next time." - Their tour just got "postponed" as Australian leaders want them out of the country after the remark.
This is how Democrats protect Democracy.
Anyone that will not follow the Establishment / Democrat Globalist Marxism line will be called such a threat by the MSM and Democrats and you will fall for it like a good little sheepal.
Here are the Democrats calling for violence over and over and over again.
Democrats / Leftists in their own actions and words
- Kathy Griffin with Trump’s bloody head
- Snoop Dog shoots Trump in video
- When was the last time an actor assassinated a president? – Johnny Depp
- If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun' – Barack Obama
- I would beat the hell out of Trump if in high school – Joe Biden
- We’re done talking about the debate, it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye. – Joe Biden less than a week before the assassination attempt
- They’re not going to be able to go to a restaurant, they’re not going to be able to stop at a gas station, they’re not going to be able to shop at a department store, the people are going to turn on them, they're going to protest, they’re going to absolutely harass them. – Maxine Waters
- I threaten Trump supporters all the time – Maxine Waters
- I will go and take Trump out tonight – Maxine Waters
- It’s our patriotic duty to eliminate an existential threat to the nation. – Ajama Baraka
- We should fight Trump in the streets – Congressman Joaquin Castro
- You have to punch Trump in the face – Senator Jon Tester
- I have thought a lot about blowing up the White House – Madonna
- I’d like to punch him (Trump) in the face – Robert Dinero
- People need to start taking to the streets, this is a dictator – Donny Deutsch
- Trump and supporters are enemies of the state – Nancy Pelosi
- Our enemies to our voting system and constitution are at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue – Nancy Pelosi
- Where is John Wilks Booth when you need him – Carole Cooke
- Maybe someone in his camp can gently give him a shiv. I mean, shove – Bette Midler
- Show me where protestors are supposed to be polite and peaceful – Chris Cuomo
- When they go low, we kick them – Eric Holder
- If you have read anything about the rise of the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler you will see the parallels. – Jane Fonda
- I want to send the military to the White House to get him – Rosie O’Donnell
- There still going to have to go out an put a bullet in Donald Trump and that’s a fact – Rick Wilson
- The biggest threat to this country is radicalized White Men… to the right – Don Lemon
- I thought he should have punched him (Trump) in the face – Nicolle Wallace
- there’s always the hope that Trump will be treated worse than Lincoln – Keith Olbermann
- He got off the escalator and called Mexicans rapists and murderers – Nicole Wallace
- A person in a crowd cheering for and supporting a traitor to this country caught a stray? I’m so sad, please. – Destiny
- Trump’s character is stabbed to death in the play – Shakespeare in the Park
- Barbra Streisand posted a bloody image to Twitter showing Trump being impaled to death by one of Pelosi’s high heels.
- Comedian George Lopez shared an illustration of drug lord El Chapo decapitating Trump.
- Jim Carrey drew Donald Trump burning at the stake
- I don’t condone violence but please get you some shooting lessons so you don’t miss next time ooops that wasn’t me talking – Jacqueline Marsaw Field Director for Congressman Bennie Thompson – He’s the same Congressman that tried to defund Trump’s Secret Service detail
- What a glorious day this could have been – Dr. Karen Pinder (hours after assassination attempt)
- Jack Black and band - "Don't miss Trump next time." - Their tour just got "postponed" as Australian leaders want them out of the country after the remark.
The reason I said that is because you said this earlierNo, the problem is that you think that you're uniquely positioned to understand everything, and that the only reason that anyone could even possibly think other than what/as you think is because they "aren't plugged in." It's an easy and comforting position to take ("Other people just don't get it, if they knew what I knew then they'd think what/as I think," from which it follows that if someone doesn't think what/as you think then they're just wrong and there's no reason for you to even listen to them, much less consider that they could possibly have something interesting to say, let alone could possibly be right) but it's an immature position that refuses to countenance genuine differences of opinion. Talking to someone who proceeds as you do is like talking to a brick wall, which is why I stopped talking to you: It didn't seem like it'd go anywhere as you didn't seem like you'd budge a millimeter on a single point. What's the point of conversing when genuine conversation is impossible?
So naturally I assumed that if you don't talk politics often, don't post in the WR much, and according to your own words are often too busy to posts here in general that might mean you are not plugged into politics very much. Is that really a crazy assumption? Certainly I think I've been more charitable to you here than you to me(e.g. calling me a parrot).This is the most I've talked politics in years and I'm already annoyed.
An incredibly uncharitable first impression if I do say so myself.That was a first impression, though. I'm always happy to be proven wrong. If you think that I've "dodged" stuff or obfuscated or evaded or whatever, please feel free to put direct questions to me. I'll answer whatever you want and then we'll see where we are. Fair enough?
I just heard both assassins have something in common. They have both been in BlackRock commercials.
Can a lefty here please clear this up for me and call me a retard because this is your opportunity to wake the fk up if you can't.
Even if all of this is true and it isn't and you know it because you're a liar and an exaggerator, it doesn't change that Trump is a threat to democracy and that it really needs to be discussed that he's a threat to democracy.
He tried to send the election back to fake elector slates man... and he has openly spoken about abolishing the constitution and he practices double speak and manipulative speech patterns purposefully designed to troll people and create divisive and chaotic emotional reactions in various people and groups in the country. In this respect, he is the worst leader I have ever seen in politics in my lifetime. He is a genuinely despicable human being on every single level and totally and completely unfit to be the president.
I know of no equivalent Democrat who holds high office...
People could be a threat to the system in many different ways. Some really good ways and some terrible ways and its situation dependent.
Trump is a threat to democracy because he serves no one, not country, not his constituents
.. no one but himself and he's unstable and could easily make radically important decisions based on emotion or ego or the need for approval.
You have lost your way and you defend a villain.
lol We? speak for yourself darling, you are either full of shit or naive afWe generally shy away from language like that.
If it helps, You are not smart.
Cool story, are you one of the people who posted Biden tied up in the back of the truck painted on the back of people's tailgates, something I have seen in person since it's apparently hilarious and sold online? It's ok though because they also made a trump one... and a Kamala one.)Anyone that will not follow the Establishment / Democrat Globalist Marxism line will be called such a threat by the MSM and Democrats and you will fall for it like a good little sheepal.
Here are the Democrats calling for violence over and over and over again.
Democrats / Leftists in their own actions and words
- Kathy Griffin with Trump’s bloody head
- Snoop Dog shoots Trump in video
- When was the last time an actor assassinated a president? – Johnny Depp
- If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun' – Barack Obama
- I would beat the hell out of Trump if in high school – Joe Biden
- We’re done talking about the debate, it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye. – Joe Biden less than a week before the assassination attempt
- They’re not going to be able to go to a restaurant, they’re not going to be able to stop at a gas station, they’re not going to be able to shop at a department store, the people are going to turn on them, they're going to protest, they’re going to absolutely harass them. – Maxine Waters
- I threaten Trump supporters all the time – Maxine Waters
- I will go and take Trump out tonight – Maxine Waters
- It’s our patriotic duty to eliminate an existential threat to the nation. – Ajama Baraka
- We should fight Trump in the streets – Congressman Joaquin Castro
- You have to punch Trump in the face – Senator Jon Tester
- I have thought a lot about blowing up the White House – Madonna
- I’d like to punch him (Trump) in the face – Robert Dinero
- People need to start taking to the streets, this is a dictator – Donny Deutsch
- Trump and supporters are enemies of the state – Nancy Pelosi
- Our enemies to our voting system and constitution are at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue – Nancy Pelosi
- Where is John Wilks Booth when you need him – Carole Cooke
- Maybe someone in his camp can gently give him a shiv. I mean, shove – Bette Midler
- Show me where protestors are supposed to be polite and peaceful – Chris Cuomo
- When they go low, we kick them – Eric Holder
- If you have read anything about the rise of the Third Reich and Adolf Hitler you will see the parallels. – Jane Fonda
- I want to send the military to the White House to get him – Rosie O’Donnell
- There still going to have to go out an put a bullet in Donald Trump and that’s a fact – Rick Wilson
- The biggest threat to this country is radicalized White Men… to the right – Don Lemon
- I thought he should have punched him (Trump) in the face – Nicolle Wallace
- there’s always the hope that Trump will be treated worse than Lincoln – Keith Olbermann
- He got off the escalator and called Mexicans rapists and murderers – Nicole Wallace
- A person in a crowd cheering for and supporting a traitor to this country caught a stray? I’m so sad, please. – Destiny
- Trump’s character is stabbed to death in the play – Shakespeare in the Park
- Barbra Streisand posted a bloody image to Twitter showing Trump being impaled to death by one of Pelosi’s high heels.
- Comedian George Lopez shared an illustration of drug lord El Chapo decapitating Trump.
- Jim Carrey drew Donald Trump burning at the stake
- I don’t condone violence but please get you some shooting lessons so you don’t miss next time ooops that wasn’t me talking – Jacqueline Marsaw Field Director for Congressman Bennie Thompson – He’s the same Congressman that tried to defund Trump’s Secret Service detail
- What a glorious day this could have been – Dr. Karen Pinder (hours after assassination attempt)
- Jack Black and band - "Don't miss Trump next time." - Their tour just got "postponed" as Australian leaders want them out of the country after the remark.
This is how Democrats protect Democracy.