Social Punk rock band kicks out drummer because of refusal to take vaccine

[HereticBD]

Too many people in both industries in it more for the revenue potential than the love of the craft, unfortunately.

Sure, but I think that if you want your vision for whatever to be seen by as many people as possible, you have to make concessions as an artist. There are very, VERY few artists who get to tell the industry to march to the tune of their drum.

There's a clear stagnancy and lull in creativity going on in both industries that I perceive.

I think that has more to do with politics these days. It was hard enough before to get your unfiltered vision out there. Now you have to run it through a million PR firms that search for "problematic" content, and no matter how good you are, millions of people are constantly looking to cancel you for stepping out of line ever so slightly, like with a tweet or whatever. Walls are certainly closing in.

Plateaus in creativity are a hard thing for capitalism to deal with and I think you're seeing it now.

It's 50/50, I'd say. Sometimes it's great, if the artists are just feeding the beast. I think the thing today, though, is that the ceiling has gotten smaller...mostly due to politics. Less and less people are willing to go against the machine. Before, they'd kind of have to wrangle the artists in to due their bidding. Now the artists are going "Whatever you say, money man!"

There is a sever lack of balls in artistic industries today.

Combine a plateau in creativity with an opening of media so wide anybody can market themselves anywhere in the world at any moment in time and you have a recipe for disaster as far as I can tell.

When they figure out how to corporatize social media(FAR more than it is now), it will truly be the end.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Music is supposed to be self expression, are you really expressing anything meaningful when you are doing the same thing for the 500th time ? How many times can you make the same point over and over and it still have an impact ?

They are absolutely forced. If you don't fit the formula you lose funding, you lose fans you lose contracts, you lose the ability to make a living unless you pander to the whims of people who want to hear nothing more than a 3 minute I V IV.

For major musicians making a living isn't really a problem though. If the Rolling Stones decided they wanted to make an avant garde album rather than play the old hits it's not going to make a difference to Mick Jagger's quality of life.

 

[Stump]

I saw offspring at a concert like 17 years ago and I thought they looked a bit ridiculous on stage, too old to be up there flying this rebelious, dyed hair youth flag as old men.

They look even more ridiculous now.

That said, vaccines were an important aspect of covid management, though it sucks they strong armed this guy and he had a legit reason not to vax. The kind of legit reason that means that its even more important for others who can, to get vaccinated.

 

[Lycandroid]

For major musicians making a living isn't really a problem though. If the Rolling Stones decided they wanted to make an avant garde album rather than play the old hits it's not going to make a difference to Mick Jagger's quality of life.

it depends what your definition of major musician is. There are plenty of bands that are just as popular as they were 20 30 years ago when they were selling records and getting played on mtv but now have to have side jobs or are operating at overall loss.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

it depends what your definition of major musician is. There are plenty of bands that are just as popular as they were 20 30 years ago when they were selling records and getting played on mtv but now have to have side jobs or are operating at overall loss.

My point is that there are hundreds of musicians who could have just decided to do what the fuck they wanted when they were older that didn't.

 

[Lycandroid]

My point is that there are hundreds of musicians who could have just decided to do what the fuck they wanted when they were older that didn't.

well the Rolling Stones aren't exactly a great example for that argument. Especially when you consider what they have done outside of the band.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

well the Rolling Stones aren't exactly a great example for that argument. Especially when you consider what they have done outside of the band.

Other than Scott Walker and Bowie (who was like that when he was young anyway), who's getting older and making radically different music that risks alienating their fanbase?

 

[Lycandroid]

Other than Scott Walker and Bowie (who was like that when he was young anyway), who's getting older and making radically different music that risks alienating their fanbase?

Plenty but going with ones that I enjoy particularly

Gary Moore
Miles Davis
Joni Mitchel
Ulver
Devin Townsend
Beck
Corrosion of Conformity
Gary Numan
Darius Rucker
Darkthrone
George Benson
John Mayer
Steven Wilson/Porcupine Tree
Dallas Green
Depeche Mode
Opeth

 

[Hellowhosthat]

Plenty but going with ones that I enjoy particularly

Gary Moore
Miles Davis
Joni Mitchel
Ulver
Devin Townsend
Beck
Corrosion of Conformity
Gary Numan
Darius Rucker
Darkthrone
George Benson
John Mayer
Steven Wilson/Porcupine Tree
Dallas Green
Depeche Mode
Opeth

Hmm, idk about Beck, he's been doing the same album rotation he's always done.

Ulver sure, but again moved away from black metal when they were still pretty young.

Depeche Mode I'm not sure I agree with. Don't really agree with Opeth either.

Gary Numan yes but his nu-metal phrase was embarrassing although it definitely fits the mould of alienating your fans because it certainly alienated me.

Miles sure, I think in jazz people play more freely anyway though.

 

[Hellowhosthat]

@Lycandroid I guess a different question would be which artists released their best album after they were 40?

I can only think of Scott Walker (52 when he made Tilt)
Miles Davis (late 40s when he did Dark Magus I think)
Charles Mingus (41 when he did black saint and the sinner lady)
Duke Ellington (68 when he did Far East suite)

Hmm, seems much more prevalent in jazz.