Elections Second Assassination Attempt of Trump at his Florida golf course

[Islam Imamate]

Stolen or rigged / illegitimate? You do realize there is a difference?

Rigged / illegitimate means to people that having late votes counted, using drop boxes, having vote harvesting, having no voter ID required, and sending Mail In ballots to those that didn't request them is rigged or illegitimate. I would agree those people have a solid case. The changes in our election process with the poor chain of custody, terrible verification process, inability to re-check, etc... makes the election completely questionable. To hear that pipes burst in Georgia causing a stop and having Republican monitors sent home only to see counting resume at records paces does not mean people should just blindly accept the results. (Note: No pipes burst... they lied.) Having Pennsylvania count late votes. Having Nevada filled with un-requested Mail In ballots sent all over the state to bad addresses does not mean people should just blindly accept the results. Having virtually all the lawsuits tossed on standing so no evidence can be heard / seen doesn't help.

You are mischaracterizing people. Thinking 2020 was rigged or illegitimate is a valid view, just like thinking CV-19 was a lab leak.

I didn't even get into the FBI and CIA getting involved in the 2020 election, which both happened.

@MMAisGod This is exhibit A of Trump's corrosive influence on our democratic norms and institutions. Many people still believe Trump's lies about the 2020 election and that hurts confidence in our elections, you don't see how undermining confidence in the vote is a threat to democracy?

 

[Bullitt68]

His detractors need to shut up?

Yes. How effective has the whining and inflating of his comic book villain-esque evil prowess been over the last 10 years? If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, what else should we call the "strategy" of shrieking about how he's worse than Hitler and Stalin and Mussolini rolled into one? The only power that that orange doofus has is the power we give him, and we've given him so much power that we've created a fucking medieval golem out of a demented TV personality. Have you ever tried arguing with a deranged person on the street? Do you hold conversations with elderly relatives with Alzheimer's? The strategy should've always been - and it's WAY past the time when the strategy should've become - to focus on policy and talk to the voters and let that moron shout himself into irrelevance. From The Twilight Zone to Home Alone, this has been the simple solution to fear.

its only Trump and his followers who demand special treatment.

I'm not Trump, I'm not one of his followers, and I'm not advocating for special treatment. Your "arguments" are that easy to refute.

 

[BFoe]

Yea, exactly, which is why I don't think we actually disagree "that" much. I'll use an analogy to explain in another way.

Yesterday I watched a lot of football. My wife was making dinner and realized I had to go to the store. Me, I'm like come on now the game starts in 30mins etc. She's like well you gotta go I'm cooking. So I said something like alright I'm gonna run like Barry Allen and be back. I went as fast as I could and got back before the game. Now in reality, did I run as fast as The Flash and return in a millisecond? Of course not. But I did return much faster than I would have if not speeding back for the game.

In Trump's "smoking gun dictator" comment, he made a comment about being a "dictator for 1 day" to Hannity. The media, mainstream media, ran with this to the moon. More proof that he's going to "make himself a dictator". If you look at the actual exchange, he's jokingly telling Hannity he won't be a dictator but will be one only for a day because he's gonna close the border and drill oil then he's not a dictator. It's a casual exchange between two friends that meant literally nothing, but, this exchange is still used to this day as proof that he's going to actually be a dictator when he takes over.

This is what I mean when I talk about nonsense. To me, this does MORE HARM than good, because it minimizes the things he actually does wrong or things he may ruin and replaces it with nonsense like this that makes it easier for his supporters to say he's being unfairly targeted. In the rage and dislike for Trump, things like this actually HELP HIM, which is the opposite of what should be happening.

@Islam Imamate for you too.

I understand the comparison you’re trying to make.
But your Flash comment has no underlying threatening connotation, and it was said as a stand-alone comment, “in a vacuum,” so to speak. And what I mean by that when a guy who caused 140 police to be assaulted and one of his own supporters to be shot and killed because he lost an election says “if I lose the election, it’ll be a bloodbath” that should be taken seriously. He’s not going to get any chuckles from me.
I saw the entire clip with Hannity, and I didn’t find his “dictator on day 1” comment to be a light-hearted exvhange. AFAIC, no presidential candidate should be “joking” about that, and one who has done the things Trump has done gets NO pass at all. None.

I also wanted to respond to something else you said:

Feel like I've repeated the same thing 5x already. Of course you can point all of that out, talk about it, anything. What I'm saying is pretending that it's going to happen is the issue.

X- Trump says he'll suspend the Constitution

I expect responsible people to talk about what he wishes he could do and how it's an insight to his character. What I don't like is playing ignorant like saying "If Trump wins he'll suspend the Constitution and become a dictator". No, he won't. You know it. I know it. If Trump says he can run 15 miles straight with no break, we'll pretty quickly call out how foolish and nonsensical his comment would be, right? So when he makes a comment about suspending the Constitution or something we should equally call out how ridiculous that is while also calling him out for saying it.

I don't feel this position is difficult to understand.

I push back hard on this idea that it just can’t happen here. I know some people like to believe that while history is full of other governments that fell, including other republics that fell, ours never can and never will and we have these infallible institutions because “Murica” or whatever, and it’s just not true.

Democracy is fragile, it’s important, and it has to be protected. Someone who has done the things Trump has done, the things he claims he’s going to do (mass deportations, rooting out vermin, etc), and the the things he *could* do as evidenced by Project 2025, we should absolutely keep that person and movement from gaining power. It’s the height of hubris to think that it’s impossible for our democratic institutions to crumble, or at least weaken.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Same shit as always lmao.

Yeah man people on Sherdog are gonna have the full conspiracy figured out and give you all the details the day after it happened.

Maybe look into some of the inconsistencies and things that don't make sense and go from there.

I’d settle for a theory. A literal theory. Haven’t seen one yet

 

[HomeCheese]

Is it really rhetoric when democrats are going on air literally calling for Donald Trump to be shot and to be eliminated?

Huh? I'll need some examples before I will buy this. Trump has by far espoused the most negative, dangerous rhetoric of any American politician in my lifetime. His team is the last one that should be complaining about this.

 

[Whippy McGee]

@MMAisGod This is exhibit A of Trump's corrosive influence on our democratic norms and institutions. Many people still believe Trump's lies about the 2020 election and that hurts confidence in our elections, you don't see how undermining confidence in the vote is a threat to democracy?

Tell me where there is a lie in my post?

Clown.

 

[Loiosh]

The fact that they are not embarrassed to try to turn that accusation around on the left just shows how despicable naive and sometimes stupid these people are.

When conservative parents made death threats and bomb threats, the GOP accused Democrats of weaponizing the FBI when they offered their assistance.

In you know, investigating death threats and bombs threats.

 

[Whippy McGee]

The media interference (some of it because of pressure by the deep state alphabet agencies) definitely played the biggest role. That's how they got all these people so brainwashed in the first place.

When we see 90%+ positive reporting for Democrats and 90%+ negative reporting for Republicans.... the fix is in. This has been the case for a long time. I wonder how many more elections the Republicans would have won with a Free and Fair Press?

 

[Loiosh]

I think you have absolutely no clue who the Nazi's were. Because your educators failed you I'll help you out, the Nazi's were a political party in Germany headed by Adolf Hitler from 1933-1945. I have no clue who this Blood Tribe is but I can guarantee you that not one single person affiliated with that group was part of the Nazi party in Germany. This is why no one takes democrats seriously, all they do is spread lies and disinformation.

Is it your contention that Nazism ended with WWII?

 

[HOLA]

Yes. How effective has the whining and inflating of his comic book villain-esque evil prowess been over the last 10 years? If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results,

Wait...you're all fucked up here...for starters, did he not win in 2016 and then lose to Joe Biden's corpse in 2020?

what else should we call the "strategy" of shrieking about how he's worse than Hitler and Stalin and Mussolini rolled into one? The only power that that orange doofus has is the power we give him, and we've given him so much power that we've created a fucking medieval golem out of a demented TV personality. Have you ever tried arguing with a deranged person on the street? Do you hold conversations with elderly relatives with Alzheimer's? The strategy should've always been - and it's WAY past the time when the strategy should've become - to focus on policy and talk to the voters and let that moron shout himself into irrelevance.

Yes, that would stop him!

From The Twilight Zone to Home Alone, this has been the simple solution to fear.







I'm not Trump, I'm not one of his followers, and I'm not advocating for special treatment. Your "arguments" are that easy to refute.

Last time I remember you posting in the War Room you were going on about how Jordan Peterson was this great philosopher. That aged like milk, huh? Your rhetoric does not appear to have improved in the ensuing time period.

 

[jamel]

So wait…

Dude didn’t have a line of sight nor did he fire???

 

[Striderxdj]

Except this isn't what happens. Trump says plenty worth criticism, yet the overwhelming majority of quotes attributed to him by leftists are taken out of context or outright lies. This has been going on for 8+ years now and is the reason why legitimate criticism of him gets ignored. You guys go way too crazy with the rhetoric.

We've heard it before, he can be criticized for "mean tweets" because that is apparently all he has ever done wrong.

If you want to say people have taken some of his stuff out of context (such as the bloodbath comment being about the economy) I won't disagree with you. I used "the poisoning the blood of the country/nation" as an example because he said it multiple times, and there is no ambiguity about the language. Compare that to stuff Hitler said:

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This descent occurred by the original sin of blood poisoning, or the contamination of the Aryan blood (soul) by an inferior race: The Aryan gave up the purity of his blood and, therefore, lost his sojourn in the paradise which he had made for himself. He became submerged in the racial mixture, and gradually, more and more, lost his cultural capacity, until at last, not only mentally but also physically, he began to resemble the subjected aborigines more than his own ancestors.... Thus cultures and empires collapsed to make place for new formations. Blood mixture and the resultant drop in the racial level is the sole cause of the dying out of old cultures; for men do not perish as a result of lost wars, but by the loss of that force of resistance which is contained only in pure blood. All who are not of good race in this world are chaff.

Or what about this gem:

"We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country,"

Then go read up on something called Volksschädling or literally any of the nazi leadership using the verbiage to describe the same groups.

Where is the context in what he meant? There was a brief period where people on the right were saying the left use of the phrase "joy" was tied to the Nazis... which compared to the examples above is completely laughable.

 

[KOByFootStomp]

Huh? I'll need some examples before I will buy this. Trump has by far espoused the most negative, dangerous rhetoric of any American politician in my lifetime. His team is the last one that should be complaining about this.

Here is one of Kamala's surrogates calling for Trump to be shot on live TV



Here is a democrat congressman calling for Trump to be eliminated.

When has Trump called for the murder of his political opponents like democrats? He has never said anything in the same realm of dangerous rhetoric that democrats do. You just can't see it because you are in a cult and will do anything to defend your cult leaders.

 

[kflo]

Only easily led cattle people honestly believe this mf flew from Hawaii to Florida and laid in a bush for 12 hours on a hunch. Democrats are a terrorist party have been since Lincoln. These people literally trying to turn us into Mexico or Russia...

They must be stopped!!!!!

 

[KOByFootStomp]

Is it your contention that Nazism ended with WWII?

Yes the Nazi party was eliminated at the end of World War II. If they are still in power in some country that I am not aware of feel free to fill me in.

 

[fingercuffs]

We've heard it before, he can be criticized for "mean tweets" because that is apparently all he has ever done wrong.

If you want to say people have taken some of his stuff out of context (such as the bloodbath comment being about the economy) I won't disagree with you. I used "the poisoning the blood of the country/nation" as an example because he said it multiple times, and there is no ambiguity about the language. Compare that to stuff Hitler said:

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This descent occurred by the original sin of blood poisoning, or the contamination of the Aryan blood (soul) by an inferior race: The Aryan gave up the purity of his blood and, therefore, lost his sojourn in the paradise which he had made for himself. He became submerged in the racial mixture, and gradually, more and more, lost his cultural capacity, until at last, not only mentally but also physically, he began to resemble the subjected aborigines more than his own ancestors.... Thus cultures and empires collapsed to make place for new formations. Blood mixture and the resultant drop in the racial level is the sole cause of the dying out of old cultures; for men do not perish as a result of lost wars, but by the loss of that force of resistance which is contained only in pure blood. All who are not of good race in this world are chaff.

Or what about this gem:

"We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country,"

Then go read up on something called Volksschädling or literally any of the nazi leadership using the verbiage to describe the same groups.

Where is the context in what he meant? There was a brief period where people on the right were saying the left use of the phrase "joy" was tied to the Nazis... which compared to the examples above is completely laughable.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Anybody heard a source for this one?

 

[Scerpi]

Yes. How effective has the whining and inflating of his comic book villain-esque evil prowess been over the last 10 years? If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, what else should we call the "strategy" of shrieking about how he's worse than Hitler and Stalin and Mussolini rolled into one? The only power that that orange doofus has is the power we give him, and we've given him so much power that we've created a fucking medieval golem out of a demented TV personality. Have you ever tried arguing with a deranged person on the street? Do you hold conversations with elderly relatives with Alzheimer's? The strategy should've always been - and it's WAY past the time when the strategy should've become - to focus on policy and talk to the voters and let that moron shout himself into irrelevance. From The Twilight Zone to Home Alone, this has been the simple solution to fear.







I'm not Trump, I'm not one of his followers, and I'm not advocating for special treatment. Your "arguments" are that easy to refute.

Well said...

It could be argued the media handed the 2016 election to him with their 24/7 coverage... even if it was 99% negative.

The worst thing Democrats and Biden have done since Biden took office was constantly talk about him... even if they were blaming for everything bad that was happening... Should have just ignored him and never talked about him ever... He does an appearance... Nothing. He makes a dumb statement, nothing. Like ghosting an X girlfriend. Take away their power.

Which got to be funny after Biden had been in office going three years plus.

Time to take accountability

 

[Striderxdj]

When we see 90%+ positive reporting for Democrats and 90%+ negative reporting for Republicans.... the fix is in. This has been the case for a long time. I wonder how many more elections the Republicans would have won with a Free and Fair Press?

When pretty much 95% of what Trump says is negative, is it tallied as negative to have a story that is just quoting him saying primarily negative stuff, or is that considered positive coverage since it's just quoting him and talking about what he said?

 

[Bullitt68]

Wait...you're all fucked up here...for starters, did he not win in 2016 and then lose to Joe Biden's corpse in 2020?

What do you think you've proven here?

Yes, that would stop him!

My mistake, I should've clarified that when I said "talk to the voters" I didn't mean alienate them by calling them deplorable. You really do need to spoon-feed common sense to the rabid anti-Trumpers. Does he make people so mad that they lose their ability to reason or are the people who hate him the most people who never had the ability to reason? An interesting chicken-or-the-egg question...

Last time I remember you posting in the War Room you were going on about how Jordan Peterson was this great philosopher. That aged like milk, huh? Your rhetoric does not appear to have improved in the ensuing time period.

And here I am not remembering you at all. By your post here, I gather that you consider Peterson only slightly less evil and dangerous than Trump for thinking that postmodernism is the idiot philosophy that goes along with the idiot political theory of Marxism. If so, then I'm sure you'd be delightful to talk to.

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