Seattle passes minimum wage of $15.

[Matt4786]

I'm a PM now and I've always made significantly more than 15 an hour.

I just don't think 15 dollars an hour is a lot of money. Minimum wage has not been raised to deal with inflation over the years.

I was actually paid significantly less than all the other PMs. Like 2 to 3 times less. They paid me shit because I was fresh out of school and they knew they could get away with it.

$15/hr isn't a lot, but it's still enough to get a small apartment, pay your bills, and have a small amount of spending money left over. I was able to manage this in NYC, which is probably the most expensive city in the US. I just think that's a bit too much capital for unskilled labor and that cost is largely going to be passed onto the consumer. I personally don't think it's fair for me, as a consumer, to pay to support that artificially high standard of living.

 

[Bay Area]

Well that's why I had the forsight to make an investment in myself and pursue a career in medicine. The world always needs doctors. A minimum wage job should serve as a wake-up call. If you have no marketable skills, it probably makes sense that you should be living in an apartment with 4 other people. And if you don't like it, then you need to take the time to learn new skills.

Great. But the time it takes to learn more skills is what we need to be focusing on. During that "time", should anyone be making $7 an hour?

 

[NRFC]

$15 Bic Mac incoming.

Single cheeseburger combo going to $12.99

mom and pop businesses get fucked

 

[Matt4786]

Great. But the time it takes to learn more skills is what we need to be focusing on. During that "time", should anyone be making $7 an hour?

Yes because that's what unskilled labor is worth. If someone is making $7/hr and doesn't like it, I suggest he/she gets his butt back into school and deals with it.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

I was actually paid significantly less than all the other PMs. Like 2 to 3 times less. They paid me shit because I was fresh out of school and they knew they could get away with it.

$15/hr isn't a lot, but it's still enough to get a small apartment, pay your bills, and have a small amount of spending money left over. I was able to manage this in NYC, which is probably the most expensive city in the US. I just think that's a bit too much capital for unskilled labor and that cost is largely going to be passed onto the consumer. I personally don't think it's fair for me, as a consumer, to pay to support that artificially high standard of living.

Maybe instead of passing the cost on to the consumer, that companies could *gasp* just put less in the pockets of billionaire CEOs?

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Yes because that's what unskilled labor is worth. If someone is making $7/hr and doesn't like it, I suggest he/she gets his butt back into school and deals with it.

Who is going to "pay for them to get their butt back in school"? Will you?

 

[Matt4786]

Maybe instead of passing the cost on to the consumer, that companies could *gasp* just put less in the pockets of billionaire CEOs?

Firstly, that's never gonna happen no matter what law you enact. Secondly, you aren't accounting for small businesses at all. Thirdly, you always seem to come at me in a completely hostile nature, so I have no interest in talking with you. Ignored.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Firstly, that's never gonna happen no matter what law you enact. Secondly, you aren't accounting for small businesses at all. Thirdly, you always seem to come at me in a completely hostile nature, so I have no interest in talking with you. Ignored.

You sound gotten to and I've never heard of you. If I "come at you" maybe its because you say stupid stuff and blend in with the rest of the jerk offs on Sherdog that say stupid stuff.

And to the question at hand. Maybe it shouldn't take laws to make rich people act more responsibly. But since it obviously does, maybe there should be caps placed on how much positions of companies can pay their executives in comparison to what they pay their workers.

And I doubt you were a project manager. I work in IT as a test engineer, and I dropped out of community college after 2 semesters. You mad? I certainly make a lot more than $15 an hour. My project managers make six figures EASILY.

 

[NRFC]

I was doing project management, which is a fancy word for admin assist. Yeah...the pay was shit and I did feel like a failure so I went back to school. I'm at the top of my class and I'll be taking the MCATs later this year.

I think that's the point: if your job is ass, it should be on you to make the change rather than some overly paternalistic lawmakers.

Depends what field you are in. PMs in IT are making 6 figures. Plus if you have your PMP certification... it can be more.

Also depends on your market and where you are located. Maybe you should move.

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[Matt4786]

Depends what field you are in. PMs in IT are making 6 figures. Plus if you have your PMP certification... it can be more.

Also depends on your market and where you are located. Maybe you should move.

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I'm actually back in school. Will be applying to med school next cycle. Even if the pay was better, it wasn't a job that I enjoyed and I didn't want to make a career out of it.

Anyways, this convo seems to be heating up, so I need to get out of the kitchen and write my lab report before I have to head downtown for my internship. Won't be fielding any more responses. Sorry.

 

[Execute]

I was actually paid significantly less than all the other PMs. Like 2 to 3 times less. They paid me shit because I was fresh out of school and they knew they could get away with it.

$15/hr isn't a lot, but it's still enough to get a small apartment, pay your bills, and have a small amount of spending money left over. I was able to manage this in NYC, which is probably the most expensive city in the US. I just think that's a bit too much capital for unskilled labor and that cost is largely going to be passed onto the consumer. I personally don't think it's fair for me, as a consumer, to pay to support that artificially high standard of living.

PM is such an unforgiving job to be low balled.

*bro-fists"

 

[Bay Area]

Who is going to "pay for them to get their butt back in school"? Will you?

ATTENTION TO ALL THE MILLIONS OF POOR PEOPLE IN AMERICA:


Get your butt back to school.



Thank you.

 

[NRFC]

PM is such an unforgiving job to be low balled.

*bro-fists"

"PM" poster was using was a broad term. A "PM" installing flooring in a house is not going to be getting paid the same as this guy:

Basic Qualifications & Interests
*Bachelors Degree and at least 5 years of experience in the IT business or industry.
*At least 5 years of IT Project Management experience.
*Experience in managing a project budget of more than $500,000 to plan.
*Knowledge of project management best practices, including knowledge of waterfall and agile methodologies.
*Experience Identifying and mediating risk.
*Experience in the indirect management of team members, including assisting in the development, training and assignment of work/projects to other members of a team.
*Willing to travel up to 10% of the time for business purposes (within state and out of state).

Preferred Qualifications & Interests
*Bachelors Degree in Information Technology * Computer Science.
*Advanced level skill in Microsoft Project, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint.

 

[NRFC]

ATTENTION TO ALL THE MILLIONS OF POOR PEOPLEIN AMERICA:

Get your butt back to school.

Thank you.

Wasn't Obama promising free college?!

 

[Bay Area]

Wasn't Obama promising free college?!

I don't know, and people shit on Obama for being a socialist, but maybe what we need to reverse this 1% vs the 99% is a little socialism.

 

[sub_thug]

Raising the minimum wage leads to inflation and higher prices. It's not going to do what they want it to do, establishing a "living wage." Truthfully, there's no such thing. This will hurt the middle class, however. Those folks making under $200k a year are going to feel it, giving them less disposable income due to increased spending on necessities. Those households making over $200k a year won't really notice the changes as much, as their level of disposable income was already such to where the inflation that you're going to see won't be able to have a drastic effect. Very simply put, Seattle is just going to start be a lot more like NYC, where making $80k a year means that you can barely afford food, a small studio apartment, and public transportation.

 

[sub_thug]

This discussion totally belongs in the War Room btw.

 

[Tigerknee]

Raising the minimum wage leads to inflation and higher prices. It's not going to do what they want it to do, establishing a "living wage." Truthfully, there's no such thing. This will hurt the middle class, however. Those folks making under $200k a year are going to feel it, giving them less disposable income due to increased spending on necessities. Those households making over $200k a year won't really notice the changes as much, as their level of disposable income was already such to where the inflation that you're going to see won't be able to have a drastic effect. Very simply put, Seattle is just going to start be a lot more like NYC, where making $80k a year means that you can barely afford food, a small studio apartment, and public transportation.

Well if the whole nation adopted this we would certainly see inflation, prices will be higher for everyone but only those making minimum wage would have received a raise

 

[ThinkGreen]

Wow, I can't see this working out well for Seattle. How does something like this pass? Is everyone making less than $15/hr going and voting? Damn democracy.

 

[sub_thug]

Well if the whole nation adopted this we would certainly see inflation, prices will be higher for everyone but only those making minimum wage would have received a raise

I agree with everything you wrote after the comma. Prior to it, I would suggest that you consider the local economy as well, instead of just the national macro. I offer my point about NYC again for consideration.