Seattle Foolishly Sues Trump Administration Over Sanctuary Cities

[oldshadow]

If they don't want to cooperate with the feds the feds should not cooperate with them.

Like NCIC checks and other law enforcement cooperation there is no fedural law requiring them to. They can and should also cut funds.

Let the city sue and let the feds fight every detail and make the suit as long as costly as possible. Take every detail all the way to the Supreme Court, all the while holding up funds.

Since Republicans control the Congress they can make news laws to force these cities or make it legal to cut other funds.

 

[Rational Poster]

Make sure then that welfare pays less than farm jobs. Problem solved. No need then to import poverty and crime from Mexico and beyond.

 

[Rational Poster]

If they don't want to cooperate with the feds the feds should not cooperate with them.

Like NCIC checks and other law enforcement cooperation there is no fedural law requiring them to. They can and should also cut funds.

Let the city sue and let the feds fight every detail and make the suit as long as costly as possible. Take every detail all the way to the Supreme Court, all the while holding up funds.

Since Republican control the Congress they can make news laws to force these cities or make it legal to cut other funds.

The only funds that can be cut are those funds specifically earmarked for enforcement of federal laws that the state is refusing to enforce, otherwise it is in violation of the 10th Amendment.

 

[glennrod]

STATES HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO ENFORCE FEDERAL LAWS OR MANDATES.

10th Amendment.

Again, you're wrong.

The US Constitution also applies to foreign nationals, specifically migrants and asylum seekers. This has been in the Supreme numerous times, as recently as 2008.

Probably am...doesn't change the fact that protecting illegal aliens isn't a "good" thing to do..and it also does nothing to change the fact that the only people cheering on sanctuary cities, are unpatriotic cunts

 

[vespasian]

How so? Imagine the vast inner city populations productively workign the fields instead of engaging in crime...

 

[Rational Poster]

How so? Imagine the vast inner city populations productively workign the fields instead of engaging in crime...

Because, as already stated, these people weren't welfare recipients, just laid off during the recession.

Your premise is fabricated.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

Lol at the Trump crowd not understanding states rights lol.

Very conservative lol

 

[oldshadow]

The only funds that can be cut are those funds specifically earmarked for enforcement of federal laws, otherwise it is in violation of the 10th Amendment.

Sure you are correct and any law has to met the requirements of the 10th.

But the feds are not required to help local law enforcement also.

Things like NCIC and many other things.

So you are now a states rights supporter, or just on issues you Like?

 

[vespasian]

Because, as already stated, these people weren't welfare recipients, just laid off during the recession.

Your premise is fabricated.

so chronic welfare recipients didnt even bother to show up?

 

[Gunny]

States have no obligation to enforce federal laws.

Thank you private

 

[Rational Poster]

so chronic welfare recipients didnt even bother to show up?

I was talking specifically about the swell of unemployed during the recession. Please focus.

 

[Rod1]

Sure!, why not!, that's what i'm saying..tell you what, you take over from here...you just have this conversation by yourself

Arent you saying that the federal government should ignore the 10th when it comes to illegals yes or no?

Why dont you make a solid statement, instead of playing the fucking Trump-a-Dope and saying incredibly ambiguous shit and never mean what you meant

1.- The Federal Executive itself cant decide where dollars will be spent of not, thats a power of Congress.

2.- Federal Congress still cant attach strings that are a) Not related to the spending in question b) Not coercive c) It must be clear

So the DOJ witholding funds is 100% unconstitutional and an overreach of the federal government and Seattle is going to win this easily. So again, whats your point?

 

[Rational Poster]

Sure you are correct and any law has to met the requirements of the 10th.

But the feds are not required to help local law enforcement also.

Things like NCIC and many other things.

So you are now a states rights supporter, or just on issues you Like?

I'm probably more of a fan of central planning to be honest, I'm just trying to teach you dullards crying for states rights all the time what that actually means.

My stances on states rights doesn't mean much since we live in a country that has very empowered states and that's unlikely to change.

 

[Rod1]

In the United States, the pardon power for federal crimes is granted to the President of the United States under Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution which states that the President "shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States

What does this means when it comes to taxes and abortion clinics?

 

[Rod1]

How is it a violation of the Constitution to deport criminals from another country?, i thought the U.S constitution only applied to U.S citizens?

Its not, and US Constitution applies to all persons under US jurisdiction, otherwise you would be able to enslave foreigners for which the US had recently fought a massive war.

 

[vespasian]

Lol at the Trump crowd not understanding states rights lol.

The funny thing is that even in liberal CA, my neighborhood is firmly against our sanctuary status. States 'rights' -- its supposed to be about things that benefit the citzens of that state, not gangbangers from El Salvador.

 

[PolishHeadlock]

The funny thing is that even in liberal CA, my neighborhood is firmly against our sanctuary status. States 'rights' -- its supposed to be about things that benefit the citzens of that state, not gangbangers from El Salvador.

Ok

 

[nostradumbass]

What does this means when it comes to taxes and abortion clinics?

Someone wants to blow up an abortion clinic, they can be pardoned.

 

[Rod1]

Sure you are correct and any law has to met the requirements of the 10th.

But the feds are not required to help local law enforcement also.

Things like NCIC and many other things.

So you are now a states rights supporter, or just on issues you Like?

The federal executive doesnt has a say on which funds are going to be allocated, only congress has that capacity and it has to be quite explicit about it.

 

[Rod1]

Someone wants to blow up an abortion clinic, they can be pardoned.

Can only pardon federal crimes, im pretty sure bombing an abortion clinic is going to violate a lot of State laws.