Se7en (1995) movie discussion

[Clear Winner]

I got in a debate with someone in the Jessica Jones thread about Kilgrave and how I didn't find him creepy enough. Spacey nailed creepy in this film. No super powers, just a messed up dude.

 

[BVG]

Sorry to be the guy but I must.

I love this movie, I own it and watched it many times.

The big flaw with this movie is that John Doe put so much time and effort into everything right, like he had a guy tied to a bed for a whole year barely keeping him alive and then in his grand master plan he just goes ohh i'll opportunistically kill this cops wife and do all that, surely a killer that meticulous wouldn't just change his whole plan or whatever in the space of a few days

Since you say you've watched it many times, I'm surprised you've missed this each time;

After mills and sommerset break into doe's apartment, doe explains on the phone call that he's had to alter his plans...

So there is no big flaw. It's a well written, well executed movie, and one of my personal favourites.

 

[Coffee79]

The 'guy in the apartment' scene scared the living hell out of me the first time.

 

[Matt M]

"He's experienced about as much pain and suffering as anyone I've encountered, give or take, and he still has Hell to look forward to."

 

[Matt M]

The big flaw with this movie is that John Doe put so much time and effort into everything right, like he had a guy tied to a bed for a whole year barely keeping him alive and then in his grand master plan he just goes ohh i'll opportunistically kill this cops wife and do all that, surely a killer that meticulous wouldn't just change his whole plan or whatever in the space of a few days

Well he killed the wife to finish off the final two sins - Envy and Wrath.
Envy for the life that they had, wrath being the victims loved one exacting revenge.
So it makes fine sense that he would see that as an opportunity to finish it all off, especially as he probably wasn't planning on them finding where he lived.

 

[Matt M]

Top 5 fav movie of all time for me. I still remember when I watched it for the first time. It freaked me the fuck out. My gf had never seen it until last year; it was quite fun watching it with her.

Yeah it's great watching it with someone who has never seen it, also gives me a good reason to watch it again

 

[wlu29]

Tremendous movie

I can't say anything bad about it

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

I don't remember who but Denzel or W Smith was suppose to play Freemans character but took another role instead. I haven't see this movie in a long time.

I like Denzel, but Will Smith is a fucking idiot.. glad it worked out the way it did. The dynamic between Freeman and Pitt worked well and added to the flick imo. Denzel may have been a bit too young to be the grizzled vet in that film. Morgan was perfect.

 

[Matt M]

Yeah Denzel Washington turned down Brad Pitt's role.
Guillermo del Toro turned down the chance to direct.
Al Pacino turned down the role of Somerset.

I even heard that Michael Stipe was at one point considered for John Doe!

 

[clashnat]

I thought it was one of the rare times Pitt nailed it performance wise.

I agree ...I'm thinking about the scenes where Pitt's character showed anger and antipathy towards Freeman's character.
I don't think Denzel could've done it that convincing, because he would've been too gentleman like to come across as genuinely pissed off ...Brad Pitt is more punkish, so it worked out perfectly.

 

[Matt M]

Something genius about it is you don't see any of the murders, just the aftermath.
I find it hard to fault, it's certainly a 10/10 for me. The only thing I can think of fault wise is probably the Lust murder with the killer strap-on.
It just seemed a bit rushed to me like it was just stuck in there because they couldn't think of anything else or develop it further.

 

[toph]

It's one of my favorite movies, but it has some serious flaws.

Besides the fact that they never turn on a light, the movie insults your intelligence and is borderline racist.

They shove the fact that Freeman is highly empathetic and intelligent down the viewers throat. Like we couldn't possibly believe a black man could have these qualities. I mean it's Morgan fucking Freeman!

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Yeah Denzel Washington turned down Brad Pitt's role.
Guillermo del Toro turned down the chance to direct.
Al Pacino turned down the role of Somerset.

I even heard that Michael Stipe was at one point considered for John Doe!

Man, it's like they wanted to fuck it up.

 

[Chesten_Hesten]

So I watched Se7en a few days ago. The movie was released twenty years ago out of curiosity I was searching the internet on alternate theories of the ending. Low and behold I read John Doe makes an appearance at the staircase of the crime scene as the photographer/reporter. I have seem Se7en at least five times before and never picked up on Doe being the photographer. So now I will have to see the movie, again. The finer details make you appreciate classic movies like this even more.

ALREADY 20 years ago!

Fucking Yikes!

Time is raging on like a rampant river.

 

[method115]

Never caught Doe being the photographer nice catch. Not sure if my GF has seen this movie maybe will watch it this weekend.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

what??? you're kidding me ... next thing you will tell me is bruce willis is dead for most of the sixth sense ...


kidding .. yeah man, they mention it in the movie ...

 

[clashnat]

what??? you're kidding me ... next thing you will tell me is bruce willis is dead for most of the sixth sense ...


kidding .. yeah man, they mention it in the movie ...

Odd comparison. Everyone knows that the little boy from "The 6th Sense" is a freak.

 

[Prime Ang]

It is a great film, a masterpiece, but some of the content is to brutal and real for me to enjoy. Trainspotting is another, so good yet so brutal.

Great post.

 

[rearnakedchoke]

i never understood this .. was this guy a lazy bastard? or he just took forever to die?

 

[minute bull]

i never understood this .. was this guy a lazy bastard? or he just took forever to die?

He didn't die, the only one who didn't. Doe forced him to waste away by confining him to bed. Stopped feeding I think three days before leading the cops to him. Timing was a little off.