Sanda a better base for mma that muay thai?

[NoSmilez]

And im very sure a Muay Thai fighter would struggle much, much more in a Sanda rules fight, than a Sanda fighter under MT rules.

Not really. It depends who is the fighter. Where the fight is hosted matters even more.

 

[Bearknuckle]

Those Chinese Sanda guys from the UFC converted to Muay Thai when they came to the UFC. Professional Sanda isn't that popular in China anymore. Those Sanda guys make the conversion to kickboxing nowadays.

Its probably because of money, im just talking strictly stylistically which one translates better for mma.

I love muay thai but sanda from what ive seen resembles more like mma standup, the more in and out to close the distance vs muay thai’s less footwork pocket exchange style. Plus the addition of takedowns, while darting in is ideal for mma.

 

[Bearknuckle]

why post this under "ufc discussion"?

If powerslap can be in “ufc discussion” so can this.

also, its relevant becaused i named several current ufc fighters in OP. No current ufc fighters are in powerslap…Dana

 

[Greg House]

Many chinese fighters with Sanda background have fought on ONE. In MMA, Muay Thai and Kickboxing rules. They seem to not do as good as Thai and Dutch fighters. I don't think is that effective.

All the fighters you mentioned don't seem to have a different style than most MMA fighters, I guess they may have started as "sanda" but they transitioned to the Muay Thai based striking style that MMA has.

It's been 30 years, you are not going to reinvent the wheel. All the different styles of martial arts have been tested in MMA by most gyms. The most efficient styles are the ones that remain, the ones we are seeing now. Sanda is simply another variation of kickboxing, but there is no proof after 30 years that is a more efficient one. Good fighters may come from it just like they may come from Karate, but is not the martial art but the talent of the fighter that makes them succeed in MMA after they adjust to it.

 

[Pechan]

There are TDs and throws in MT.

 

[NoSmilez]

Its probably because of money, im just talking strictly stylistically which one translates better for mma.

I love muay thai but sanda from what ive seen resembles more like mma standup, the more in and out to close the distance vs muay thai’s less footwork pocket exchange style. Plus the addition of takedowns, while darting in is ideal for mma.

Those Sanda base people in the UFC. They train MT nowadays. Weili's manager talks about how hard it was for her to convert her training style from Sanda to MT suitable for MMA. Weili is by all means is a MT fighter. I would even argue Yadong's style doesn't resemble Sanda competition style either. He is just a guy who competed in everything from MT, Sanda and MMA in China.

Sanda is an amateur sport. They wear bodyshield and shinpads along with a helmet. Of course there are different variations but majority of the competition is amateur style. More or less Sanda is seen as kickboxing in China. There is no real distinction between MT and kickboxing there. Even in professional Sanda some fighters from China wear MT shorts with Thai script on it. Sanda itself is an amalgam of different martial arts. It is more of a competition ruleset favoring a distinct way to score. You can argue everything in Sanda can be found in some Chinese textbook but it's more or less kickboxing with elements of wrestling.

 

[GordoBarraBJJ]

Muay Thai has sweeps and and throws as well.

 

[Quietus]

The reason Muay Thai is better isn't on technicality, its just that more people train it so you can get better teachers and training partners, and not to mention Thailand is the combat sports PED capital of the world so it's quite convenient for 50%+ of the top UFC fighters go to chill there for a few months each year, cycle up on the sauce and train Muay Thai.

 

[DatSamboKid]

During a recent conversation with a friend, we debated which martial arts provide the best base for MMA. I argued that the level and volume of talent and competition in a given discipline is often overlooked.

For example, if we compared Fighter A, an Olympic-level Taekwondo black belt from South Korea, with Fighter B, a regional Greco-Roman champion from India, I believe Fighter A has the "better" base for MMA. This is because he likely grew up in a more competitive and elitist environment, and is likely more talented and genetically gifted, as his odds of success were lower than Fighter B's.

The popularity of a sport plays a significant factor. Muay Thai, for instance, is more widely practiced and has more gyms, competitors, and events. While Sanda is also a great martial art, it may be more challenging to find a gym in your area, and even if you do, it may not be as well-equipped as a Muay Thai gym.

 

[Clark Rogers]

I think san shou is the traditional martial art and sanda is the competition derived from san shou. Not sure though

I did some Googling and the Wiki and couple other pages basically said it used to be called Sanshou, but is now Sanda. One site said Sanshou meant "free hand" and Sanda meant "free hit," but never really explained why the change.

You could be right too though, may have something to do with format. Thanks!

 

[CasualBot]

If powerslap can be in “ufc discussion” so can this.

also, its relevant becaused i named several current ufc fighters in OP. No current ufc fighters are in powerslap…Dana

Fuck Powerslap.

Why is this under "UFC discussion" when it's about MMA, mauy thai, and sanda.

Regardless of name dropping, there has been no discussion about this in the UFC.

No need to repeat the reasoning.

We get it.

 

[amok attitude]

Everybody talks about MT in MMA but i have never really watched a fighter using true MT stance, pace and took the amount of damages the MT dudes take during their fights.
Its not because you throw a kick that it should be called MT.

 

[tasticles]

I think san shou is the traditional martial art and sanda is the competition derived from san shou. Not sure though

That is correct and I think it's the equivalent of using Karate. It largely depends on the abilities of the fighter and ability to take punishment.

 

[tasticles]

Everybody talks about MT in MMA but i have never really watched a fighter using true MT stance, pace and took the amount of damages the MT dudes take during their fights.
Its not because you throw a kick that it should be called MT.

Almost every style has teep kicks and knees. I think the chopping motion of the kick and plumbing are the only thing that makes it stand out at all in mma. The Thai stance would get you dumped on your ass quick.

 

[Ace70 V2]

TS, how you gonna bring up sanda and leave the sanda goat out. Norma Dumont is highly disappointed in you right now.

 

[T-dog.1337]

Yes muay thai is bigger and more popular.

but i just looked into sanda, which is basically kickboxing but with takedowns/throws.

reason why i think its a better base is because not only the takedowns, but their distance and movement from striking to takedowns is more suited for mma. They catch kicks and sweep opponents a lot.

muay thai relies a lot on power kicks and its a more stiff stance. But thats because their rules score kicks heavily, but kicks themselves are already strong, so being light on the feet and kicking is more effective for mma.

muslim salikov
Leech
Song yadong
Pat barry
Cung le
Zabit
Zhang weili

Those are successful sanda fighters. Would be interesting to see more guys from that style crossover to mma.

it may be a better striking base for mma than classic muay thai

Whenever i talk about muay thai i end up going on a racist rant lolz
idk why but muay thai irks me

but yeah sanda... i like the sanda talk... keep it going.

 

[T-dog.1337]

https://youtube.com/shorts/TRz6CBHhDs0?feature=share
Sanda
Tbh i'm tryna see what is DISTINCTIVELY sanda??
I'm not sure I know. But I think if it's wushu, and people are studying it in shaolin temple, then... it's not a well known art.

 

[Frode Falch]

Sanda as a ruleset is better yes. But muay that got a much bigger talent pool. So..

 

[Dr. Rose]

I have little familiarity with this particular martial art, outside of seeing some of the fighters mentioned. Forgive my ignorance, but are Sanda and Sanshou the same? I recall Sanshou being talked about a lot during Cung Le fights, rather than Sanda.

They are basically the same...not too dissimilar to the Sambo--Sombo nonsense (Sambo is a racist term in the Southern US) or the Kung Fu--Wushu issue.

Muay Thai does have sweeps and throws (and sometimes you can throw strikes to a fallen opponent, but you cannot mount them)

 

[T-dog.1337]

Here we go, I was looking for some examples of boxing in china/shaolin and the like, without the use of pads and partners..


I think it would be an interesting debate, which is more effective.
But unfortunately there are tons of videos that seem to disprove the effectiveness of chinese style martial arts against what we call straight up MMA.

I used to argue that it's because in chinese martial arts, you can gouge peoples eyes out, use weapons, throat punches, and so on, but I think it isn't that simple.

Surely there should be some who can effectively use qi gong, tai chi, and more to beat muay thai, boxing, or wrestling, but time and time again we see Tai Chi masters getting destroyed by the mma guys with their animal strength and fierceness.

Then again, we look at sanda, which takes from tai chi and qi gong sometimes, and yeah i think we forget that it stems from the other chinese arts, so we just see it as punching and kicking, but there's more to it, probably the internal side, that we always forget to look at or consider because for us, that's not a focus, it's always technique, which teaches you the internal stuff, just without your knowledge, if you don't really analyze and observe it.