Ryan Hall doesn't believe in guard or shrimping...

[MMA junkie]

Interesting thread, I'd like to see the preferred/correct way of shrimping. Or find out if there's a Rickson seminar coming to town (SoCal).

 

[Zenphobia]

Thank you everyone for the kind words about the article. I am happy that everyone enjoyed it. Hall had some intense insights that changed my perspective on BJJ in just an hour, and it was very cool of him to share his hard-earned knowledge.

 

[Doh!]

Thanks for the input, I am going to assume that you train with Mr. hall.

In light of the explanation I have a few questions for you.
Are the takedowns trained often and consistently at the club?
Do you guys grapple from the feet or knees at the end of class?
What is Ryans philosophy of conceded the takedown?
In other words, if someone shoots and is in deep does he advocate pulling guard immediately from here or does he sprawl, followed by a whizzer before pulling guard etc... ?

Yes, I do train with Ryan. We train takedowns more frequently than any other BJJ school I've trained at but I don't speak for him and can't answer to every specific belief he has. Ryan is welcoming to all and he's willing to train and discuss BJJ with anyone who walks through the door. I don't mean to be curt, but I think the best way for you to get your answers is to stop in and ask him.

50/50 Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

 

[Mikey Triangles]

Zenphobia,

I don't think Frodo was attacking you at all. He simply pointed out that something was lost in translation here, that made it seem a little like Ryan said something he didn't really say.

There's a big difference between this:

"What Hall has replaced the shrimp with is what he calls a

 

[Zenphobia]

Zenphobia,

I don't think Frodo was attacking you at all. He simply pointed out that something was lost in translation here, that made it seem a little like Ryan said something he didn't really say.

There's a big difference between this:

"What Hall has replaced the shrimp with is what he calls a

 

[Zenphobia]

I think the confusion is this:

When he said, "I can show you," he was referring directly to me, not the collective "you." Since Lockflow is a technique based site, I asked if we could video tape his replacement for the shrimp because it's something that is certainly controversial that a lot of people would want to see (which is evident in the transcript).

Hall declined, which is a bummer for us but completely justified for him. He spent a lot of money and time learning BJJ, and he has the right to not want to give away his secrets to everyone and anyone. He was very clear about being willing to show people in person at his school or at seminars, which is way more open than a lot of high level bjj guys are.

Hall was willing to show me (because he's a cool guy) the technique, but he was not willing to show you, the collective you, via video tape (which is typically what we do on Lockflow, record and share techniques).

As for what the technique is: it's pretty sweet. I definitely don't have the knowledge or understanding of the movement to explain it, and it would be disrespectful of me to attempt to share knowledge that Hall showed me in confidence. Go to his school or take one of his seminars. You won't be disappointed.

 

[KILL KILL]

Ryan is damn intelligent guy. Almost nerdy infact. He seems like the type of guy that would play dungeons and dragons on a saturday night, or tailgate the opening of a star wars movie or something.

 

[knoxpk]

Yes, I do train with Ryan. We train takedowns more frequently than any other BJJ school I've trained at but I don't speak for him and can't answer to every specific belief he has. Ryan is welcoming to all and he's willing to train and discuss BJJ with anyone who walks through the door. I don't mean to be curt, but I think the best way for you to get your answers is to stop in and ask him.

50/50 Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

Understood I am nowhere near VA so i cant just do that.

Let me frame it another way.

When he is teaching you, do you guys spar from the feet or knees at the end of class.

part II when he is teaching does he teach you guys to pull guard if a guy is in deep with a shot or does he teach several counters to the shot (that will still leave you on top) before conceding the takedown and pulling guard?

 

[butterface**]

it is not a move but it teaches people hip movement and that is what you need in BJJ

 

[Normot]

Ryan is damn intelligent guy. Almost nerdy infact. He seems like the type of guy that would play dungeons and dragons on a saturday night, or tailgate the opening of a star wars movie or something.

Well he was an engineer major before going into BJJ.

 

[Porter]

I didn't read all the responses, but some of the people commenting need to read the article.

 

[Kenny from MD]

Thanks for the input, I am going to assume that you train with Mr. hall.

In light of the explanation I have a few questions for you.
Are the takedowns trained often and consistently at the club?
Do you guys grapple from the feet or knees at the end of class?
What is Ryans philosophy of conceded the takedown?
In other words, if someone shoots and is in deep does he advocate pulling guard immediately from here or does he sprawl, followed by a whizzer before pulling guard etc... ?

As has been said in this thread before, I dont want to speak FOR ryan and mess up his thoughts and ideas, but as far as the straightforward questions Im happy to tell you.

Yes, in the advanced and team classes and as well as open mats takedowns are trained a lot. There is also a wrestling class and the wrestling coach trains at all the jiu jitsu classes, and is always happy to answer questions or work one on one on something. Ryan and Seph encourage this as much as possible.

The takedowns are mainly trained in the wrestling classes and ground stuff is mostly trained in the jiu jitsu classes, however we are shown a variety of trouble shooting/finishes for takedowns and sweeps as they are related to the task at hand in the jiu jitsu classes. As you can imagine, some sweeps end very similar to takedowns so sometimes they can overlap.

Generally people start from the knees as an issue of space and safety however people working specific stuff do stand, and especially more so as people start leaving or in the less crowded advanced classes. It is certainly encouraged. I will tell you in my personal experience rolling with Ryan, if I am not (attempting to) control Ryan when I stand up to pass, he stands right up with me and starts wrestling.

What he advocates is very dependant on the situation and the minute details of said situation, so your question about conceding the takedown could have 100 answers. We've learned ways to shut people down doing that, and we've drilled sitting through to guard both. The manliest option is always encouraged and emphasized.

Your post seems to be asking the question do Ryan and Seph encourage stand up and learning the top, and the answer is very much so. When I came to the gym my top game was non existant. I started from my back and finished from my back, win or lose. Theyve completely changed how I roll, for the better and really gotten me to open up and learn and get away from the mindset that I am a superfeather, so I have to play guard. I feel much more manly since joining the team.

 

[lethalazn]

Doh! I have a few questions since you train with Ryan Hall

- Ryan says that the collar choke is his goto when he goes to Mount and that it's one of his strongest moves now. At the same time he said that going for an Armbar or Triangle from the Mount is a strategically unsound idea. So if he's competing No-Gi and the opponent does not give his back, what does he use instead of the collar choke?
- How does the Triangle fit into his game now (now that he supposedly switched it up)?

 

[MUFC]

I don't see how anything he said is radical or worth such serious responses. Most of the stuff he said made sense after applying some logic.

 

[DropBows]

Shrimping is just a drill to emphasize getting the hips out.

Shouldn't be any controversy here.

I personally can't imagine the full shrimp being utilized in a match among competent grapplers. If you straighten the support leg like you do during the drill, you'll get passed.

 

[TastyLumpia]

Shrimping is just a drill to emphasize getting the hips out.

Shouldn't be any controversy here.

I personally can't imagine the full shrimp being utilized in a match among competent grapplers. If you straighten the support leg like you do during the drill, you'll get passed.

Some people still teach the shrimp as a viable side control escape.

 

[TalkShowOnMute]

Where's Kenny? I want to hear what he says about this, and what he has noticed in Ryan's new path.

 

[Darkslide632]

I like this quote:

"...the guard, as a strategy, is not effective against elite level competition because it puts the bottom fighter at a major mechanical disadvantage."

Someone else has been saying that for a while now. Who was it?

Oh. Right. Me.

I knew I wasn't crazy... or... if I am, Ryan is right there with me.

 

[TastyLumpia]

I prefer this quote:

The guard sucks and the triangle is low percentage

 

[Mikey Triangles]

Where's Kenny? I want to hear what he says about this, and what he has noticed in Ryan's new path.

... 2 posts up from you ^^^