International Russian invasion of Ukraine Megathread V1

[Ophydian]

It just doesn’t seem like it’s in his best interest. But, we are not going to get involved and if he feels like he can withstand the sanctions for a while I guess he would find it worth it.

He’s benefitting every day as turmoil increases oil prices. Putin has calculated the cost of stationing troops at Ukraine’s doorstep and right now he’s coming out on top thanks to the increase of oil. The moment that changes so will his stance on stationing troops on the border.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

It's hard to decipher which political figures in the world really deserve the hard goodbye, just because of all the media chaff and general lack of detail the public is allowed to know about geo politics...but Putin seems a grade a perfect of shit and a pretty evil fuck so...once again, we agree.

To be honestly though is he any worse than a lot of leaders the west is friendly with? the Saudi's for example are less democratic, more authoritarian and more aggressive military currently waging a brutal war in Yeman with the weapons were selling to them that our media mostly ignore.

Really I think Putin and the Neo Cons actually love each other because they both help to sustain the other. Putin is empowered by US/NATO aggression as it gives him wide public upport in Russia as he's viewed as the strongman needed to defend them, in a more friendlty climate he'd be judged much more on his record of domestic corruption and oppression and would very likely be much less popular. The Neo Cons in the US probably love someone like Putin in charge in Russia as it can be used to justify a much mroe aggressive stance, push harder to NATO expension, more arms sales, for potential for US corperate interests to be pushed.

I think thats what were seeing right now in Ukraine, both sides looking to maximize the hostility as they think it will benefit them. Very little real desire to deescalate the situation just to force the other side to back down.

 

[Dexter]

Don't worry guys Kony has dispatched his latest crop of child soldiers to Ukraine. It's all good though because they're on 'our' side now. The war is postponed indefinitely, Putin knows he's been checkmated by the arrival of true battle-hardened warriors.

The funniest thing about this tweet is that the guy who teach the kid to use the AK is a neo-nazi from Azov battalion (famous airsoft cosplayers who ran away from Donbass in tears).

...The Kiev army has been patiently waiting for eight years for the deployment of the Russian Armed Forces around the borders, the creation of a strike force in Belarus, the transfer of troops from the Far East, the collection of almost all landing ships from all fleets in the Black Sea, and the exercise of Strategic Missile Forces - all in order to attack the separatists right now. Unimaginable treachery on their part...

 

[andnowweknow]

To be honestly though is he any worse than a lot of leaders the west is friendly with? the Saudi's for example are less democratic, more authoritarian and more aggressive military currently waging a brutal war in Yeman with the weapons were selling to them that our media mostly ignore.

Really I think Putin and the Neo Cons actually love each other because they both help to sustain the other. Putin is empowered by US/NATO aggression as it gives him wide public upport in Russia as he's viewed as the strongman needed to defend them, in a more friendlty climate he'd be judged much more on his record of domestic corruption and oppression and would very likely be much less popular. The Neo Cons in the US probably love someone like Putin in charge in Russia as it can be used to justify a much mroe aggressive stance, push harder to NATO expension, more arms sales, for potential for US corperate interests to be pushed.

I think thats what were seeing right now in Ukraine, both sides looking to maximize the hostility as they think it will benefit them. Very little real desire to deescalate the situation just to force the other side to back down.

No, he's not worse than the Saudis, but he's still a piece of shit.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

It's hard to fathom you believe the shit you post. This is G.B. Jr level stupid.

Putin has Europe and the US by the balls. It wasn't long ago that Biden was begging him to pump out more oil. Jesus dude, stop the nonsense.

The Putin love just gets crazier and crazier around here.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

No, he's not worse than the Saudis, but he's still a piece of shit.

Really though I think theres a very good argument that the aggressive US Neo Con position both makes him worse and keeps him in power.

I think we also damage the opposition to him in Russia by trying to funnel it down routes we think will suit us, someone like Alexei Navalny looks like a dangerous nationalistic opportuntist to me and doesnt really seem very popular in Russia, not the kind of person we should be supporting if we cared about Russia being a liberial democracy.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

When it comes to smashing uniformed armies, no one beats the US.

Thinking like this is exactly why your leaders make shit worse.
They're also psychotic warmongers incapable of achieving an actual military objective, other than sowing chaos.

 

[PrinceOfPain]

Turn in your America card, you should know we don't leave a set of cans like that behind, regardless of age or political persuasion.

 

[Zinger]

Either Ukrainians are idiots, or Russians are setting up a Casus Belli for themselves.

 

[Zinger]

"We must defend the Russian world and show this Bandera bastard that we Russians are always together".

Oh boy, here we go. Spoken like a true Vatnik.

Guy belongs in a construction site, not in the government.

 

[houjebek]

USA should really stop saying that Russia is gonna invade Ukraine any minute now...
Its not helping anybody.
It's only making things worse for everybody involved.

 

[Cole train]

Has Russia invoked The Draft? What is this guy saying?

I cant see twitter posts for some reason but there were news about conscription happening in lugansk

 

[M3t4tr0n]

USA should really stop saying that Russia is gonna invade Ukraine any minute now...
Its not helping anybody.
It's only making things worse for everybody involved.

How? Is Russia gonna look at that and say ok now that they said that I will invade?

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

The US can not be trusted, and everything they say should be treated with heavy scrutiny. I wouldn't be surprised if the US is planning attacks right now to blame on Russia, because that's what they do.

 

[crystallake]

The Putin love just gets crazier and crazier around here.

People actually realize that the US is much worse than Russia. There isn't a country in the world that fucked up more foreign civilian lives than the US military in the last few decades.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I would say as well, imagine a situation were the political makeup of Ukraine is reversed and say you have a good 2/3rds Russian majority who want to keep close ties to Moscow but a third in the west of the country who want ties with the EU/NATO. In that situation do you think we would be so obcessed with "maintaining Ukrainian integrity?" I think history clearly gives the answer there that no we wouldnt be, we've be strongly in favour of separatism/regional autuomny for the western part of the country.

The idea this is some moral stand for Ukrainian self determination really doesnt hold up very well, even within the ethnic Ukrainian population(and indeed the Russian population) there seems like their much more appetite for negotiation, its the platform Zelensky ran and won on before backing away from and becoming even more Russia-phobic than his predecessor.

The longer this goes on as well though I suspect the less reasonably the Ukrainian population will become, ethnic divides will be played up and you'll end up with another Yugoslavia.

 

[Zinger]

Oh no... This is bad. According to Sherdog this woman can't be trusted.

Alright, I guess the Draft is coming soon.







What threats do you recognise?

Are you planning to create them yourself?

We're living peacefully here, as never before, despite not having a good relationship with Russia.

Don't ruin it for us by doing shady shit behind the scenes and giving Russia a reason to be hostile towards us, not only in words, but actions as well. We don't want 100k troops at our borders too.

Ukraine is your problem, not ours.

 

[deadshot138]

Biden is a cumstain on the bedsheet of world peace

 

[Zinger]

 

[DoomPatrol]

their active military is ~1.2M with another ~2M inactive

this (130k-150k) is 1/10th of that. and ukraine borders russia.

we used more for invasions of iraq/etc across the world.

Yes, America also put a significant number of troops (in the middle East not Europe)..... For our invasion. I'm guessing you fail to realize that putting 10% of your fighting forces in one spot on a big damn deal. You also have to look at the fact that MOST of their military isn't fighting units. So if they're putting all their combat units in that 10% and leaving logistical and support elements then that's different than a 10% spread

really? weird that zelensky and etc have been telling him to knock it off, then. amirite?

the 2/16 bs totally wasn't instigative. /s

Zelensky is also taking weapons from NATO to fight Russian backed forces in Ukraine..... correct?

How does that instigate anything? If it's not true all Putin has to say is "we are not invading I don't know what Biden is talking about".

Instigating would be attacking Russian positions, not saying Russia might do something.