Crime Russian influence campaign, yup all those right wing grifting dorks!

[Ruprecht]

Because these topics can be used to advantages for nefarious groups doesn't make them invalid imo. Maybe I give people too much credit but as a hypothetical, if someone hears the sentence "white Americans jobs are being taken" I think they then believe whomever is presenting that information has devalued the weight of their opinion and should be trusted less... For various reasons, but not because white people are concerned their jobs are being taken...

And we see these exact tactics used by TV media, so when consuming "news" we get propaganda from every angle. What percent of the population is incapable of recognizing propaganda? We'd all do better to log off "social media" and turn off the TV.

It's primarily about the attention given and the framing. The reporting on the vast majority of "culture warrior" issues in the US revolves around anecdotal stories which are lightning rod issues for the narrative they are trying to amplify. Identity politics in particular is always like that, and not just in the US. "This identity group has this problem and that identity group is to blame, this story characterises the issue".
It's not that the majority of the anecdotes won't be things that have happened, just that the details and presentation will be "massaged" to amplify the victimisation narrative.
In this case they are specifically looking to amplify White Identity politics, stories representative of people of color, immigrants, "perverts", and the disabled being "privileged" over or victimising, middle and lower class white Americans. For the purpose of leveraging America's polarisation and removing their ability or interest in American actions on the global stage, and because they believe it's more likely to lead to a Republican/Trump victory and less opposition (or less effective opposition) to their agenda and global interests.
It's interesting to see how instead of the decentralisation of information making propaganda campaigns harder or less effective, it's actually enabled it simply with volume, the "firehose of falsehood" and the propagation of echo chambers. Especially since digital literacy rates/performance aren't great, and people generally aren't motivated to critically evaluate or fact check things they agree with.

 

[ColemanwastheGOAT]

what if the "Kremlin talking points" turns out to be true?

Not possible.

See the world is entirely black and white.

There's the good guys and the bad guys and the good guys are always right and they're always telling the truth and the bad guys are always wrong and they're always lying.

That's why life is so simple and easy. Because there are no shades of gray ever.

Everything is an absolute like in my Harry Potter books.

 

[badascan]

It's primarily about the attention given and the framing. The reporting on the vast majority of "culture warrior" issues in the US revolves around anecdotal stories which are lightning rod issues for the narrative they are trying to amplify. Identity politics in particular is always like that, and not just in the US. "This identity group has this problem and that identity group is to blame, this story characterises the issue".
It's not that the majority of the anecdotes won't be things that have happened, just that the details and presentation will be "massaged" to amplify the victimisation narrative.
In this case they are specifically looking to amplify White Identity politics, stories representative of people of color, immigrants, "perverts", and the disabled being "privileged" over or victimising, middle and lower class white Americans. For the purpose of leveraging America's polarisation and removing their ability or interest in American actions on the global stage, and because they believe it's more likely to lead to a Republican/Trump victory and less opposition (or less effective opposition) to their agenda and global interests.
It's interesting to see how instead of the decentralisation of information making propaganda campaigns harder or less effective, it's actually enabled it simply with volume, the "firehose of falsehood" and the propagation of echo chambers. Especially since digital literacy rates/performance aren't great, and people generally aren't motivated to critically evaluate or fact check things they agree with.

What a blunder of a move if it's the case (the ubiquitous) they're targeting white identity politics as whites seem to be the least prone to identity politics or maybe because whites are least likely to see their race as determinate they tend to recognize every other group as leveraging their innate identity so they tend to push back against it knowing it's bullshit?

I'm no propagandists but it seems this is a myopic campaign with very unpredictable outcomes, i.e. ambiguous return on investments?

It does seem when people's reality is digital it can be formed by whomever is the programmer. When we exist in the real world where choices have consequences which is displayed everyday maybe we aren't as easily manipulated?

 

[Ruprecht]

What a blunder of a move if it's the case (the ubiquitous) they're targeting white identity politics as whites seem to be the least prone to identity politics or maybe because whites are least likely to see their race as determinate they tend to recognize every other group as leveraging their innate identity so they tend to push back against it knowing it's bullshit?

I'm no propagandists but it seems this is a myopic campaign with very unpredictable outcomes, i.e. ambiguous return on investments?

It does seem when people's reality is digital it can be formed by whomever is the programmer. When we exist in the real world where choices have consequences which is displayed everyday maybe we aren't as easily manipulated?

Well in this case "They" is primarily Ilya Gabashidze and the Social Design Agency, Russia Today and then however that delegation goes up the chain through Margarita Simonyan (also runs Rossiya Segodnya) and Russian Leadership.
I think the rise of white identity politics in the US is obvious, along with the associated populism and nativism, This particular propagandist exploitation seeks to amplify the extent to which it is already pandered to in the Republican party.
It doesn't matter if only @40% of (non-hispanic) White Americans place any importance on their racial identity, if that 40% contains a motivated voting block to easily tap into.
Speaking about our own community, in the War Room White Identity politics and "Culture War" issues replaced libertarianism and "paleo conservatism" (which replaced neoconservatism) as the primary focus of conservatives over a decade ago now. Alongside the rise of the big tent "alt-right".

 

[Patof]

The word he used was worship. No one is putting diapers on over their pants for these people or praying for them in front of court houses or putting gold statues of them in hotel lobbies. Stupid as fuck.

What we would perceive as silly zealotry, they just describe as facts and logic.

I've got to step up my statue / prayer game.

 

[Ruprecht]

Apparently after the additional scrutiny given to their accounts over this, Youtube permanently banned Tenet Media, Lauren Chen and Tayler Hansen from their platform. In Hansen's case for repeated or severe Community Guidelines violations.



Not at all familiar with this guy either, so no idea the point of distinction between his content, Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, Matt Christiansen, Lauren Southern or Benny Johnson.

 

[nostradumbass]

SOOOO one last thing about diversity and demographics in Europe:

I took demographics in college- here's what I learned about immigration in EU

It's not a "leftist replacement operation". The younger generations keep having fewer and fewer children, while developments in healthcare have allowed people to live longer. The workforce in the EU has been shrinking and due to the decline in fertility, the problem has only been worsening over the past few decades. In order to keep the economy strong and be able to support the population at the retirement age, the EU opened itself to immigration. They need workers.

That's it.

Which countries have the highest and lowest fertility rates in Europe?

The fertility rate in the EU increased by 8 per cent over the last two decades but the number of children being born has started to gradually fall.

www.euronews.com

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/how-europe-can-dodge-birth-rate-hard-landing-2024-02-14/

Ok, what the hell is going on here? How is almost every poster in here screaming "OMG, foreign influence" also taking an in unison detour to promote mass 3rd world migration? The outrage has absolutely 0 consistency.

Donating to a podcast network with no editorial control that the podcasters don't even know about is too much "foreign influence", but actual foreign nationals flooding in from 3rd countries by the millions is just great. BTW, the only person who had any contact with Russians was Lauren Chen, who is herself not American, and the person she made up to say the donations came from is also "foreign", and a ton, likely even a majority of online media and podcast networks all have donors from outside the US. Actual Chinese spies working as top aides controlling policy in the country's financial hub, no problem, Chinese spies having sex with Eric Swalwell, no problem, Chinese spies working for a senator for 20 years, no problem, working for universities, no problem, middle eastern donations, also fine.

Seems pretty goddamn selective with what qualifies as unacceptable "foreign influence". This site is an Iranian influence campaign that USA today wrote about like a month ago, and said their target was white libs by writing "longwinded, sarcastic anti-Trump articles aimed at pseudointellectuals".

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BTW, you started your paragraph with "it's not a replacement operation", then described a literal replacement operation. The US and Europe both fell below replacement birth rates with the massive spike in abortions in the late 60s/early 70s, then they just import more poor people to replace the kids they've killed.

 

[Sinister]

Tim's actual dad talking to majority report

I listened to that and as a Dad of an obstinate boy I detected a hint of "listen, if I could slap the sh*t out of him on your show, I would."

One key note is when he says he doesnt discuss Tim's material much with him. As if they avoid political discussion. Avoiding political discussion with your Son, who is an online political commentator, is a parallel to being in denial about your daughter's OnlyFans presence

 

[Sinister]

Ok, what the hell is going on here? How is almost every poster in here screaming "OMG, foreign influence" also taking an in unison detour to promote mass 3rd world migration? The outrage has absolutely 0 consistency.

Donating to a podcast network with no editorial control that the podcasters don't even know about is too much "foreign influence", but actual foreign nationals flooding in from 3rd countries by the millions is just great. BTW, the only person who had any contact with Russians was Lauren Chen, who is herself not American, and the person she made up to say the donations came from is also "foreign", and a ton, likely even a majority of online media and podcast networks all have donors from outside the US. Actual Chinese spies working as top aides controlling policy in the country's financial hub, no problem, Chinese spies having sex with Eric Swalwell, no problem, Chinese spies working for a senator for 20 years, no problem, working for universities, no problem, middle eastern donations, also fine.

Seems pretty goddamn selective with what qualifies as unacceptable "foreign influence". This site is an Iranian influence campaign that USA today wrote about like a month ago, and said their target was white libs by writing "longwinded, sarcastic anti-Trump articles aimed at pseudointellectuals".

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BTW, you started your paragraph with "it's not a replacement operation", then described a literal replacement operation. The US and Europe both fell below replacement birth rates with the massive spike in abortions in the late 60s/early 70s, then they just import more poor people to replace the kids they've killed.

All this sh*t just to play "blame the brown people."

 

[mixmastermo]

Ok, what the hell is going on here? How is almost every poster in here screaming "OMG, foreign influence" also taking an in unison detour to promote mass 3rd world migration? The outrage has absolutely 0 consistency.

Donating to a podcast network with no editorial control that the podcasters don't even know about is too much "foreign influence", but actual foreign nationals flooding in from 3rd countries by the millions is just great. BTW, the only person who had any contact with Russians was Lauren Chen, who is herself not American, and the person she made up to say the donations came from is also "foreign", and a ton, likely even a majority of online media and podcast networks all have donors from outside the US. Actual Chinese spies working as top aides controlling policy in the country's financial hub, no problem, Chinese spies having sex with Eric Swalwell, no problem, Chinese spies working for a senator for 20 years, no problem, working for universities, no problem, middle eastern donations, also fine.

Seems pretty goddamn selective with what qualifies as unacceptable "foreign influence". This site is an Iranian influence campaign that USA today wrote about like a month ago, and said their target was white libs by writing "longwinded, sarcastic anti-Trump articles aimed at pseudointellectuals".

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BTW, you started your paragraph with "it's not a replacement operation", then described a literal replacement operation. The US and Europe both fell below replacement birth rates with the massive spike in abortions in the late 60s/early 70s, then they just import more poor people to replace the kids they've killed.

Straw Man Fallacy​

A straw man fallacy occurs when someone distorts or exaggerates another person’s argument, and then attacks the distorted version of the argument instead of refuting the original point. By using a straw man, someone can give the appearance of refuting an argument when they have not actually engaged with the original ideas.

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[nostradumbass]

Apparently after the additional scrutiny given to their accounts over this, Youtube permanently banned Tenet Media, Lauren Chen and Tayler Hansen from their platform. In Hansen's case for repeated Community Guidelines violations.



Not at all familiar with this guy either, so no idea the point of distinction between his content, Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, Matt Christiansen, Lauren Southern or Benny Johnson.

Like I said early in the thread, the entire point of this was excuse censorship before the election. Lauren Chen wasn't even indicted, let alone convicted of anything, and nobody has even suggested Taylor Hansen did anything wrong at any point, but here comes the censorship anyway because that was the whole point.

 

[Ruprecht]

Like I said early in the thread, the entire point of this was excuse censorship before the election. Lauren Chen wasn't even indicted, let alone convicted of anything, and nobody has even suggested Taylor Hansen did anything wrong at any point, but here comes the censorship anyway because that was the whole point.

From her emails it was clear Chen was completely aware that she was still working for RT, despite supposedly telling the commentators they were working for some French investor (apparently Rubin was the only one that raised objections/questions, and that was because the fake investor bio said he supported "Social Justice").
Presumably that's why The Blaze has also canned her.

I have no idea who Taylor Hansen is, let alone what would distinguish him from the others. Youtube's Community Guidelines are here.
It could be that the content moderation team had never watched any of these "influencers" until this brought them to Youtube's attention, or that people outside their usual audience started watching their videos as a result of this and reporting them for breaching the guidelines.

 

[Paynebringer]

Putin is no dummy. He knows Trump fans are gullible morons.

Just like their fearless moronic leader.

 

[Ruprecht]

Apparently Lauren and Hansen have moved to Rumble.
Not sure if Rumble has any enforcement of declaring financial interests or backing, or clauses like those from Youtube's community guidelines prohibiting channels that,
"Create content that harms the YouTube ecosystem by persistently inciting hostility against a group with protected group status for personal financial gain."

 

[nostradumbass]

From her emails it was clear Chen was completely aware that she was still working for RT, despite supposedly telling the commentators they were working for some French investor (apparently Rubin was the only one that raised objections/questions, and that was because the fake investor bio said he supported "Social Justice").
Presumably that's why The Blaze has also canned her.

I have no idea who Taylor Hansen is, let alone what would distinguish him from the others. Youtube's Community Guidelines are here.
It could be that the content moderation team had never watched any of these "influencers" until this brought them to Youtube's attention, or that people outside their usual audience started watching their videos as a result of this and reporting them for breaching the guidelines.

Lol, yeah, "could be", or it's exactly what the tech platforms do before every election where they amplify content favorable to their candidate and censor unfavorable information, then after the election's over, it's "whoopsie, turns out we were wrong and everything we banned was true, the FBI told us to do it".

Who's falling for this shit for the 3rd straight election?

 

[nostradumbass]

All this sh*t just to play "blame the brown people."

Your obsession with "brown people" is beyond creepy. This isn't even a fraction of you trying to shoehorn your "brown people" fetish into every thread.

The circumstances...there was a murdering rapist nearby.

You have in mind specific circumstances, except that they were all documented migrants. All brown.

Virtue signal all you want, xenophobes gonna xenophobe

Omg brown people are gonna a be able to get the monies!!11

Vaccines are quite obviously fake news.

EDIT: Oh yeah and this is clearly the fault of brown people...

They're fine with religious tyranny that they believe favors their demographic. Sharia Law is wrong because its largely brown, or at least perceived that way.

Republicans: "We need more Americans so bad we are willing to roll back a right to force people to have more Americans!! Without more Americans our economy and this, our Country collapses (sometimes meaning "gets more brown). Plus I'm Pro Life!!"

Normal people: "Okay so IVF should be heavily invested in to assure that Americans who want to make more Americans, but perhaps biologically cannot...can easily use it to make more Americans, yes? Because we're so very Pro Life now?"

Republicans: "Uh...f*ck that noise!! Hell naw, no public funding for that mess, and eventually we might outlaw it!!"

Wait, we believe that genocides of brown people exist or something?

Oh lawd not brown people with homes!!!111

That's the case with people they disagree with. If you did a crime when you were 23 and I dont like you when you're 50, I get to call you a career criminal. And this crime is especially going to get attention what with the rabid xenophobia here. Oh noes he helped people get here and get jobs!! Revoke this man's citizenship immediately! The funniest part about it was these "illegals" were Romanians and Bulgarians. Given the portrayal by people who hate him I would have sworn it was brown people, but I guess there's a good reason you have to REALLY look to find out they were Europeans.

Just let him keep his fantasies about the female Ben Shapiro.

Oh and that brown people are invading white spaces.

 

[Ruprecht]

Lol, yeah, "could be", or it's exactly what the tech platforms do before every election where they amplify content favorable to their candidate and censor unfavorable information, then after the election's over, it's "whoopsie, turns out we were wrong and everything we banned was true, the FBI told us to do it".

Who's falling for this shit for the 3rd straight election?

Are you kidding? In 2016 Facebook straight up provided Cambridge Analytica with everyone's data while they were advising the Trump campaign.
That was the biggest factor involving social media, since they all did fuck all about bots and fake news campaigns that election.

In 2020 there was the "twtter files", but still no shortage of fake news (notably including the "Qanon" stuff) and if anything a shitload more bots on twitter (still not something Elon's successfully tried to address, despite his claims). If you're talking about Youtube reversing their policy of deleting posts claiming Trump won and that it was election fraud, that wasn't remotely to do with any of it being true.

Why would Youtube have selected Hansen as opposed to the others if it was "censorship"? He hadn't even reached 100,000 subscribers (less than 3 thousand I believe). Is there some other reason he would be distinct from the other "influencers" mentioned?

 

[nostradumbass]

Are you kidding? In 2016 Facebook straight up provided Cambridge Analytica with everyone's data while they were advising the Trump campaign.
That was the biggest factor involving social media, since they all did fuck all about bots and fake news campaigns that election.

In 2020 there was the "twtter files", but still no shortage of fake news (notably including the "Qanon" stuff) and if anything a shitload more bots on twitter (still not something Elon's successfully tried to address, despite his claims).

Why would Youtube have selected Hansen as opposed to the others if it was "censorship"? He hadn't even reached 100,000 subscribers (less than 3 thousand I believe). Is there some other reason he would be distinct from the other "influencers" mentioned?

Yeah, they weren't censoring anything during covid. Definitely no "hate speech" bans for criticizing BLM riots, definitely didn't ban the covid lab leak and about 10 other things that turned out to be true, Amazon, Apple and Google didn't collude to kick Parler out of the app stores and remove web service, didn't shadow ban anybody, and didn't block the NY Post for reporting on the Biden laptop.

The only reason there ever was any "twitter files" is because Elon Musk bought it. He didn't buy google or youtube or any of the others that were doing exactly the same thing, so twitter was the only one that actually had a "twitter files" because the others are still doing the same thing.

Taylor Hansen was the only one who was an employee. The others were just contractors with non exclusive licensing contracts. He wasn't doing commentary, he was shooting footage, sent it to his producer and told them how he wanted it edited, they sent back the rough draft and he would OK it and have it uploaded.

 

[Andy Capp]

Ok, what the hell is going on here? How is almost every poster in here screaming "OMG, foreign influence" also taking an in unison detour to promote mass 3rd world migration? The outrage has absolutely 0 consistency.

Donating to a podcast network with no editorial control that the podcasters don't even know about is too much "foreign influence", but actual foreign nationals flooding in from 3rd countries by the millions is just great. BTW, the only person who had any contact with Russians was Lauren Chen, who is herself not American, and the person she made up to say the donations came from is also "foreign", and a ton, likely even a majority of online media and podcast networks all have donors from outside the US. Actual Chinese spies working as top aides controlling policy in the country's financial hub, no problem, Chinese spies having sex with Eric Swalwell, no problem, Chinese spies working for a senator for 20 years, no problem, working for universities, no problem, middle eastern donations, also fine.

Seems pretty goddamn selective with what qualifies as unacceptable "foreign influence". This site is an Iranian influence campaign that USA today wrote about like a month ago, and said their target was white libs by writing "longwinded, sarcastic anti-Trump articles aimed at pseudointellectuals".

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BTW, you started your paragraph with "it's not a replacement operation", then described a literal replacement operation. The US and Europe both fell below replacement birth rates with the massive spike in abortions in the late 60s/early 70s, then they just import more poor people to replace the kids they've killed.

Show me anyone in the US government or this thread promoting "mass 3rd word immigration" or get bent, tool bar.

 

[AWilder]

Concerning...